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Hi , I just recently got the ghazghkull thraka waaagh! supplement and I do not understand how this works in relation to the force organisation chart.

The green tide formation requires 1 Hq (warboss) and 10 troops choices (boyz)

How is it possible to field 10 troop choices? This is not allowed by either the codex or the supplement.

Does this formation not count at all towards any slots?

I've searched the rulebook , codex and supplement for clues and nothing definitive that I have found. The formation itself seems to hint that this formation counts as 1 unit. Is this unit an HQ choice or a troop choice?

Is this for unbound armies only? Most of the formations in this supplement are out of range for normal gameplay if this is true. And had i've known this , I would not have purchased the supplement.

Formations are their own detahcment. They don't use any FOC. They use what the formation says they bring

Thanks for quick reply.

So does that mean I still have to fill in minimum 1 HQ , 2Troops , 1 ELITE after having this formation in , or no?

You can play it all on it's own if you want.

However, it's advisable to got for a painboss and DLS boss/mek depending on point lvl. Means you need CAD. Codex CAD is just 1 HQ 2 Troops. 1 Elite is for Ghazzy CAD that's arguably worse than a regular cad in this case (and in most other cases).

The GT (or any "FORMATION" for that matter) does not count towards a slot in an FOC. It is a stand alone DETACHMENT like a CAD or Allied Detachment.

Unless restricted by your opponent, you may field any number of formations you choose and still have a "battle forged" army... Provided that you follow all restrictions given in the formation data sheet.

For the GT you MUST take 1 Warboss and 10 units of at least 10 Boyz (but you could max at 30 per squad). Yes that is one unit with a minimum of 101 models (or 301 max). You may not take anything else though. No fliers arty tanks squigs or stompas etc. unless you had an additional DETACHMENT.

Ok thanks guys. I have a clear concept of whats going on now.


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Sorry , 1 more question.

Can I have an independant character from one formation step out and join another formation later in game? An example would be a big mek from CAD joining the green tide formation after the game has started.

You can. You can even deploy that HQ attached to the Green Tide at the start of the game.

Consider a Painboy with the Tide instead of (or as well as!) a Big Mek, to give 100+ Orks Feel No Pain all at once.

I just want to take a moment to clarify the whole Detachments vs Formations thing.

A Battle-Forged army is composed of one or more Detachments, and each unit must be in exactly one Detachment. Each Detachment has its own Force Organisation Chart, and taking units in one Detachment has no bearing on the FOC for another Detachment.

A Formation is simply a kind of Detachment that has a specific list of units that it must take rather than a FOC.

So you can take a Green Tide formation as the only Detachment in a Battle-Forged army.

Regarding ICs from other Detachments - as long as the IC and unit are Battle Brothers, then you certainly can join them to the unit.

All correct Cheexta.

 doktor_g wrote:
All correct Cheexta.

I meant to clarify it for the OP's benefit, since he still seems to be confusing some terms.

Just to be clear

Jidmah's picture will never get old:

 Jidmah wrote:
There is no limitation of what detachments/formations your army is made up from, unless those are imposed by the detachment itself. For example, you could not have two formations which force you to make on of its members your warlord.

See this picture for an example of a perfectly legal battleforged army: