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I'm sure this comes up every now and then, so will keep this brief. What do people do if they want to use old squat models in modern games of 40k

I have some lovely Squats, and would kind of like them to make up part of my IG force. I've heard this is what some people do. I don't really want them to be used as ratlings. Could they be used to represent "abhuman" guardsman? Or conscripts? I've seen some nice proxies online too, what are people's thoughts on that?

Squats are easily run as bog-standard guardsmen. They mostly have flak armor and lasguns anyway. If you have some Exo Armor Squats, then they work fine as Space Marines.

I did some brainstorming about this a few years back. then.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/491830.page#5028579
Since then I've made only moderate progress on my squats, but I still plan on finishing them up someay. Iv'e got about 60 of them now.

 Eilif wrote:
Squats are easily run as bog-standard guardsmen. They mostly have flak armor and lasguns anyway. If you have some Exo Armor Squats, then they work fine as Space Marines.

I did some brainstorming about this a few years back. then.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/491830.page#5028579
Since then I've made only moderate progress on my squats, but I still plan on finishing them up someay. Iv'e got about 60 of them now.

Thanks, I figured as much. Still think it's a shame GW abandonded the poor little guys.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Squats are easily run as bog-standard guardsmen. They mostly have flak armor and lasguns anyway. If you have some Exo Armor Squats, then they work fine as Space Marines.

I did some brainstorming about this a few years back. then.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/491830.page#5028579
Since then I've made only moderate progress on my squats, but I still plan on finishing them up someay. Iv'e got about 60 of them now.

Thanks, I figured as much. Still think it's a shame GW abandonded the poor little guys.

Pick an army, use as counts as for them, hope your opponent doesn't think you are modelling for advantage for using the little guys!
I agree to use IG or SM codex.

 Rippy wrote:

Pick an army, use as counts as for them, hope your opponent doesn't think you are modelling for advantage for using the little guys!
I agree to use IG or SM codex.

I suppose their height would be both an advantage and disadvantage when it comes to line of sight really. Unless I have them carrying around little step ladders just for the shooting phase

Or skitarii rules.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

Pick an army, use as counts as for them, hope your opponent doesn't think you are modelling for advantage for using the little guys!
I agree to use IG or SM codex.

I suppose their height would be both an advantage and disadvantage when it comes to line of sight really. Unless I have them carrying around little step ladders just for the shooting phase

Haha yeah didn't think of that potential lessor LoS!


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Or skitarii rules.

Actually yeah, counts as for Skitarii!

I dont have squt models so I used a dwarf model from fantasy to represent pask in his custom russ varient. My guard oftem employ them as tank crew and backfield mechanics.

Hmm. Actually, would it be at all feasible for squats to make a comeback in the 7th edition climate? I mean, there are rumors of genestealer cults getting a book, harlies and skitarii just got theirs, why not squats? I can understand GW not wanting to support an entire codex for them, but wouldn't squats be perfect candidates for their own mini-dex? It's not like fluff hasn't been retconned before. You just have a bit of fluff about how some squats thought lost to the 'nids actually beat them back with some bit of deus ex machina. Alternatively, you have fluff about how a certain imperial beuracrat was severely punished for mistakenly reporting the loss of the squat worlds.

as many squts as there were within the imperium, SURELY there would still be a good many around.
Not to mention that they surely had olonies outside of that one area.
Besides, look at other abhumans such as ratlings and ogryn. they "evolved" on a plethora of planets and deathworlds.

I didn't know that they had been retconned out of the universe and gobbled up by the 'nids. Kind of fits in with the fluff I am writing for my marine chapter though

Would love them to make a proper comeback though, I bet some wonderful models could be made.

I honestly wouldn't be that surprised anymore if Squats made a comeback. It is, admittedly, one of the good features of newer GW- they've spent a great deal of time puling things from their original sources that were left squandered in later editions. The Harlequins have made it back into a mini-army and there are rumors of Genestealer cults as well. I think GW's biggest challenge is going to be how to make them "grimdark" enough...the current GW seems to hate anything that isn't super serious business, even the Orks have had a significant turndown in the amount of silly fluff in their most recent book.

Time will tell if this is a possibility...GW still has Genestealers and Sisters to flesh out, then maybe something like Exodites. After that, well, whose to say!

The standard Squats were basically Guardsmen, given they were armed with flak and lasguns.

I've used mine as Guardsmen, though I don't have any ExoArmor because I always thought it looked awful.

Been toying around updating some plastic ones I have:
Squat conversions

I use mine regularly -- most often as Inquisitors and their henchmen, whom one expects to look a touch different -- but also as either Militarum Tempestus or as Imperial Guard Veterans.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The standard Squats were basically Guardsmen, given they were armed with flak and lasguns.

I've used mine as Guardsmen, though I don't have any ExoArmor because I always thought it looked awful.

Been toying around updating some plastic ones I have:
Squat conversions

May have to nab that conversion link, the original lasguns do look a bit rubbish don't they, would love to have them all toting imperial branded kit.

Depending on what models you have exactly. Could you list them?

I'd probably use Veterans to represent them - that gives you the higher Ld and greater density of special weapons compared to Imperial Guard squads. Stormtroopers to represent Hearthguard then use Marines rules for Exo-armour. In fact, given that the last time they appeared, Exo-armour had a 4+ save on 2D6, Terminators might be a better fit.

But-but-but what would we use instead of the lingo "squatted" if an army gets removed? That alone is reason enough to not bring back the squats!
In all Seriousness, even with the high amount of releases we are getting, I doubt the Squats will ever come back. Sorry to say

Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

changemod wrote:
Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

looted wagons, blitza bombers, deffrolla battlewagons...

changemod wrote:
Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

Those three facts alone should be enough to convince any sane decision maker at GW that squats need to come back. Imagine how immense the zeppelins would look.


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 koooaei wrote:
Depending on what models you have exactly. Could you list them?

I have 10 squats, a mix of some who appear to be in simple flak armour and some in ornate armour who I assume are the hearth guard.

Like many others, I have toyed with the idea of shoehorning a Squat army back into 40k. For just one squad, what armies do you currently field? For the "standard" Squat, IG vets all the way. Hearthguard, I'd say more S.M.
I once bought several boxes of Mantics Forgefathers to make a squat army. I was going to run them as Space Wolves.

Depends on your local group/community though. Most I play with would be fine with fielding them, but others might not.

Check out Scibor though, you could make a TWC army using their warbears and dwarves ....expensive though.

And as far as I know, the land train etc was just in epic, but you could build your own out of Rhinos

 General Kroll wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The standard Squats were basically Guardsmen, given they were armed with flak and lasguns.

I've used mine as Guardsmen, though I don't have any ExoArmor because I always thought it looked awful.

Been toying around updating some plastic ones I have:
Squat conversions

May have to nab that conversion link, the original lasguns do look a bit rubbish don't they, would love to have them all toting imperial branded kit.

I personally find the current IG lasguns to look too big on the squats, often even when cut down. The RT style lasrifles are an acquired taste (one I like, but still…), but they often are missing from squat models. For a solution, I recommend Victoria minis Lasrifles. They are slender enough to look proportional on the smaller squats (look pretty good on more true-scale historical troopers too) but they don't have the smoothed out almost eldar-ish lines of the original RT era plastic lasrifles. Here's a comparison between the two.

Victoria on the left, RT plastic on the right.

 Azaghâl wrote:
Like many others, I have toyed with the idea of shoehorning a Squat army back into 40k. For just one squad, what armies do you currently field? For the "standard" Squat, IG vets all the way. Hearthguard, I'd say more S.M.
I once bought several boxes of Mantics Forgefathers to make a squat army. I was going to run them as Space Wolves.

Depends on your local group/community though. Most I play with would be fine with fielding them, but others might not.

Check out Scibor though, you could make a TWC army using their warbears and dwarves ....expensive though.

And as far as I know, the land train etc was just in epic, but you could build your own out of Rhinos

I don't field anything yet, just slowing easing myself back into the hobby. But I'm restoring and reprinting my old marine army, I also have a couple of IG squads and tanks that I will be using in some way, which is where the squats will likely fit in. I've seen the forge farther models and they look nice, have also seen some nice future dwarves somewhere else on the web too.

changemod wrote:
Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

Those only ever existed in Epic.

They also used Land Raiders and Rhinos, and had a small flyer called the Ornithopter which could easily be represented in the rules. The Squats would probably lose the Land Raiders and Rhinos (like the Imperial Guard did), but it wouldn't be hard to give them something new.

That said, I'd almost rather that if Squats came back, they were just a small Imperium-ally codex like Skitarii or the Stormtroopers. But it's not going to happen either way, lol.

Personally think the Taurox would really really suit the Squats.

While the thought of Squats tumbling out of a lifted truck is hilarious, no, the Taurox is only suited for the dumpster.

 Accolade wrote:
I honestly wouldn't be that surprised anymore if Squats made a comeback. It is, admittedly, one of the good features of newer GW- they've spent a great deal of time puling things from their original sources that were left squandered in later editions. The Harlequins have made it back into a mini-army and there are rumors of Genestealer cults as well. I think GW's biggest challenge is going to be how to make them "grimdark" enough...the current GW seems to hate anything that isn't super serious business, even the Orks have had a significant turndown in the amount of silly fluff in their most recent book.

Time will tell if this is a possibility...GW still has Genestealers and Sisters to flesh out, then maybe something like Exodites. After that, well, whose to say!

As an original player of the genestealer cult, I find the concept of a codex really rather laughable. Everyone thinks IG with tyranid allies, but they were never even remotely close to that capable. They were normal people, and some beastmen supported by some hybrids that had stats close to normal IG guardsman, and then a unit of purestrain genestealers with a larger patriarch. That was also when 'stealers were scary and actually had 2 wounds each. The only vehicles they had access to were limos to hide the stealers in. UNARMORED limos. Nowadays such an army would be next to useless given the power level the game has moved up to, and the changes they had to make to it to make it viable would make it into something that wasn't a genestealer cult anymore. :(

Imagine a force filled with chaos cultists, a unit or two of IG for support, that relied on Possessed for a "solid" melee punch (yeah), led by a model that was a little bit more than a normal character, but not quite as rocking as a monstrous creature, and you'll have a genestealer cult. Not put that down to face decurion, the new eldar jetbikes loaded down with scatter lasers, or pretty much any other normal army today. Definitely going to be more than a little bit of a slaughter.

I would certianly like to see squats come back as a viable IG regiment option.

Skriker


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changemod wrote:
Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

Those were only in the Space Marine game. Those items never made it to 40k as the squats were dumped not long after that.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:


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changemod wrote:
Don't Squats have Trains, Zeppelins and Drill Tanks? I don't think there's much around rules wise for easily representing that.

Those were only in the Space Marine game. Those items never made it to 40k as the squats were dumped not long after that.

Skriker

Ramshackle does a pretty cool land train though….
http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=497

@Kroll - Scibor also do "Space Dwarves" in heavy armour with guns...just saying

@Eilif - That model is gorgeous. Ramshackle also do that (totally not drop pod) tunelling machine. If you were to run Squats as S.M, that would fit in perfectly