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Hey everybody!
this weekend I played a small game with a friend. I was Ravenwing, he was Tau. And I end up realising one thing: I really love the Pschic Phase. Like, I never had more than a Psycher or 2 per army, and I never realise how much fun it is to cast spell.

Is there an army that have a lot of caster, but that does not rely on ''Demonology'' (I don't like the summoning type of spell, more buff/debuff and blasty spell)

grey knights..everything is a psyker

Grey Knights

Eldar - no summoning!

Is Grey Knights all buff to enhance their shooting or melee killing potential, or they actually kill models with their psychic?

Is there a psychic unit or army that use their spell to kill models?

Daemon-heavy CSM.

It could be a year from now, but I'd hold off and see what GW does with the Chaos codex. Perhaps Thousand Sons will have a chance to shine. Short of that, they'll eventually be done by Forgeworld and you could play a 30k army of Thousand Sons.

Alternatively, since you already collect Space Marines, there's always the Librarius formation thingy. Did Dark Angels get the same formation?

There is no Librairan formation in my codex. I might have missed it since I only had the actual codex since this weekend, but I think it was a Vanilla Marine only thing.

Yes, grey knights. Just do it, psyk everything. Literally.

I see that the Purifiers have Level 2 mastery per squad. If I take 10man, and combat squad then, is it generating 4 warp charge, or 2? And is a Purifier list is viable? If so, what's the minimum to make it viable?

Greyknights allied blood angels then inquisition. Summon demons with a dread will he's super charged an repaired with knights and if you take inqusition ur servitors have 3++ and psy bolt chimeras are always nice

 PandaHero wrote:
I see that the Purifiers have Level 2 mastery per squad. If I take 10man, and combat squad then, is it generating 4 warp charge, or 2? And is a Purifier list is viable? If so, what's the minimum to make it viable?

On the technical question, yes, a combat-squadded unit of Purifiers generates 4 charge in total. No idea on the viability.

The Librarius Conclave in the SM codex is a copy-paste (with additional strictly-better-ness) from the DA Librarius Conclave (not in the codex, released as a DLC some time ago, although strangely I can't find it on the GW page anymore).

I'm amazed no one said this yet:
Use Ahriman!

Just bring other sorcerers (or Tzeentch Heralds) to give him more dice and take Tzeentch's firestorm (free spell), roll and hope for Doom Bolt, roll on biomancy (try for iron arm but be happy with life leech), take smite, and take pychic shreak. The go pew pew mind bullets on people with up to 15 witchfires a turn from Ahriman alone.

Get 2x Farseers and 5x Warlocks (where "x" is some whole positive number). Then spam Seer Councils. Run nothing but Seer Councils. Your army will be battle-forged and everything is a Psyker.

Daemons, grey knights, eldar, CSMs. I'd recommend Eldar the most, myself.

It's perfectly possible to build a psyker heavy daemon force that doesn't rely on daemon factory. Personally, I tend to go with Telepathy for my Slaaneshi daemons. Invisibility and Psychic Shriek are pretty great at ruining your opponent's day. Hallucination isn't as awesome in 7th, but it's still pretty decent. And of course, Tzeentch has tons of fun psychic tricks you can take advantage of.

Tyranids can pull off a decent Psychic Phase too but generally the ones already mentioned have better powers and usually more reliability in casting them.

Honestly, I think a lot of people are overestimating CSM psychic power. Sorcerers are decent, but you can only take a max of 2 without taking Tsons, which are expensive and pretty crap. You have to take allies for them to be really good.

Daemons, Eldar, and Grey Knights are the top tier psychic armies though, no contest. There are a couple of Space Marine librarian special characters that make them pretty mean as well.

GK and Eldar.

Eldar/DE Freakshow armies are often very Psyker heavy.

You can get lots of warp charges with Inquisition. Make every Inquisitor a Psyker and take as many as you want / can afford. You can even take Henchmen squads with a Psyker henchman in each squad.

An added bonus is that they ally with your Marines quite nicely.

 fallinq wrote:
Honestly, I think a lot of people are overestimating CSM psychic power. Sorcerers are decent, but you can only take a max of 2 without taking Tsons, which are expensive and pretty crap. You have to take allies for them to be really good.

Daemons, Eldar, and Grey Knights are the top tier psychic armies though, no contest. There are a couple of Space Marine librarian special characters that make them pretty mean as well.

Well, I usually get around ML 10-12 with CSM if I'm going psyker-heavy but that does involve an allied detachment. I don't know if that counts as allies. :p
Ahriman is really underrated along with the fact that CSM really don't need as much WC's as most other armies because sorcerers get to re-roll failed casts with spell familiars.
ML 7-8 probably gets you as much succesfull casts as a regular army would with 10-12 dice.

Tyranids will usually get 6-9 Psyker Levels out of an army. Two per Flyrant, and usually two of those, and two per Zoanthrope brood. Throw in a Broodlord or a Tervigon and you got a couple more. They're limited to one Psychic Discipline but you can do some decent stuff with the powers if you have a mind to. FNP, Run and Shoot, S10 AP1 Lance shots, Psychic Shriek bubbles, Ld debuffs. Some good stuff.

Thanks for all the suggestion guys

 PandaHero wrote:
Is Grey Knights all buff to enhance their shooting or melee killing potential, or they actually kill models with their psychic?

Is there a psychic unit or army that use their spell to kill models?

Greyknights are mostly about buffs, but they have access to some very very strong psykic attacks as well. their librarians and brother captains have access to a fairly wide range of powers. and even sanatic demonology has some potent attacks (including potentially a strength D blast)

Fateweaver wins the most powers a unit can take award

Sm conclave wins the most effective summoning unit

Eldar farseer council wins best overall psychic unit

 fallinq wrote:
Honestly, I think a lot of people are overestimating CSM psychic power. Sorcerers are decent, but you can only take a max of 2 without taking Tsons, which are expensive and pretty crap. You have to take allies for them to be really good.

Daemons, Eldar, and Grey Knights are the top tier psychic armies though, no contest. There are a couple of Space Marine librarian special characters that make them pretty mean as well.

While true, CSM haven't had a book in a while now. Hopefully their next book really improves them.

I think that the most direct-attacky psyker army is Inquisition. Every unit knows Psychic Shriek (or can try to roll for a few other things).

IQ also has the Care Bear stare psychic power.

Daemons rely heavily on psychic powers, and generate by far the most psychic dice of any army. They mainly use it to combo buffs and summoning, but you'll have dice left over for psychic shooting attacks, and they've won multiple major tournaments and/or placed in the top tables over the last year or two.

Grey Knights generate a decent amount of dice, but they mostly use it for buffs. You get easy access to a couple of decent psychic shooting attacks, especially if you can roll up Cleansing Flame, but you will mostly cast Sanctuary, Hammerhand, Gate of Infinity, Force, and similar buffs. You'll want so many of those buffs that you won't have dice left over for extra stuff like spamming psychic shooting attacks, since most of your models have set powers you'll only have a small handful of models that can roll for Psychic Shriek or Cleansing Flame.

Eldar Seer Council gets some absurd psychic buffs with their formation, and can toss out tons of powers with few dice. You'll cast Invisibility on them, maybe one or two other buffs, then throw everything else at a bunch of shooting attacks.

Space Marines get their new stupid little Librarian Conclave that lets you pass psychic powers on a 2+, so you can toss out a lot of psychic powers for relatively cheap. You won't have an entire army of psykers, though, just a handful of very good ones.

DA cirtanly have Librarius Conclave. You just need to buy it in BL separately. You can have 5 Librarians with it and join them in separate units, that way you can get your 5 psycher units.