Some rumours on Vampire Counts (official pics added to first post)

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**Rivet**

Hellstorm wrote:
Sukth wrote:This is going to be amazing all in all. My only question is did they keep the seperation of vampiric powers and magic items like 7th editions book or are they going to be where you have your 50/100 point budget on the combination of both?

It appears that it will be two different point allowances, just like it is now.

This is a relief!

**Drake118**

Does anyone know if necromancy magic will have the same rules as before, or can you only cast them once like other magic now?

**DarkStarSabre**

I'd assume they'll be once per phase now. They seem to be trying to move away from things being spammed casting wise. And can you imagine the signature being multi-cast on one dice potential?

(Dur hurr, I'll raise 8d6 skeletons for every unit in 6 inches!)

**James100**

They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

**Kanluwen**

Thank God Vlad now has armor!

**Rivet**

The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

**Sergeant Horse**

James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

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Rivet wrote:The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

its Initiative 4 now too

**Ozymandias**

Sergeant Horse wrote:
James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

Take a Master Necromancer.

I both like it and don't like it. It means I can tool up my Vampire lord for combat and still have a very powerful spell-caster, but it also means I have to take 2 Lord choices which eats away my points.

**Rivet**

Sergeant Horse wrote:
James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

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Rivet wrote:The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

its Initiative 4 now too

They mention Vampire Lords in three different locations and not all of them have been updated. If you look at the finecast Vampire Lord (the female aristocratic looking one) that has the new Vamp Lord listing.

**Sergeant Horse**

Rivet wrote:
Sergeant Horse wrote:
James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

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Rivet wrote:The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

its Initiative 4 now too

They mention Vampire Lords in three different locations and not all of them have been updated. If you look at the finecast Vampire Lord (the female aristocratic looking one) that has the new Vamp Lord listing.

Oh I see it now, they are much more fighty now though

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Blood Knights are I5 now

**ph34r**

I guess now that Necromancer Lords are back they saw no reason for normal Vampire Lords to go to level 4?

**Rivet**

Well supposedly they can still get up to Level 4 it just costs more.

**Flashman**

Looks like Ghouls are still undead... bah!

**James100**

Sergeant Horse wrote:
James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

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Rivet wrote:The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

its Initiative 4 now too

Thats because that entry hasn't been updated yet. the entry im going by is this:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440025a&prodId=prod1160011&rootCatGameStyle=

Thats the old zombie dragon because the new one hasn't been updated yet.

also i think necromancers can get any spell from the lore not just necromancer spells as the new entry for them just calls them a wizard using spells from the lore of vampires while the old said necro spells

**DarkStarSabre**

Ozymandias wrote:
Sergeant Horse wrote:
James100 wrote:They have updated the games workshop website now with new stats and rules. Zombies are now S3 and T3 and corpse carts have changed. Vlad now has heavy armour. Vampire lords are only level one wizards basic and the zombie dragon has gotten a stats increase.

just checked, Vamp lords are level 2 base, same as they were before but you used to be able to upgrade to level 3 and dark acolyte to level 4, I wonder what you have to do now for a level 4

Take a Master Necromancer.

I both like it and don't like it. It means I can tool up my Vampire lord for combat and still have a very powerful spell-caster, but it also means I have to take 2 Lord choices which eats away my points.

Welcome to every other army. The only exception is Daemons and those are damn expensive for what they do.

Even Chaos Sorcerers aren't that hot in combat.

**Ozymandias**

And frankly Vamps back in 6th used to be the same. Guess I just got used to my Lvl 4 Vamp with Lore of Shadow who also was no slouch in hth.

**-Loki-**

Rivet wrote:The Varghulf has also been changed. It does not have Vampire or Undead but has Beastial fury, hatred, and regeneration.

White dwarf confirms it is a vampire, as well as Vergeists. Guess they just left it off the website.

**decoy101**

Well they wouldn't want to tell everything too early

**Sukth**

Yeah thats why they have refrained from telling everybody about the vampire advance order until tomorrow on the website, hence the lack of todays "Whats New" thing.

**decoy101**

Start preorder at midnight something to look forward too

**Kroothawk**

Advance orders are up. Will add official pics to first post.

BramGaunt wrote:A friend of mine just handed me a complete list of VC Powers and magic items. Im not going to list pointcosts, but i will sort them from cheap to expensive.

Magic Items.

Book of Arkhan, arcane artifact. bound spell lvl 3, move unit spell.

Screaming Banner: fear tests caused by this unit are made with 3d6, the lowest is discarded.

Cursed book, arcane artifact. Sacrifice d3 powerdice to cast 1 random spell determined with a d6 at base cost. 1: shadow signature, 2 shadow 2, 3 shadow 3, 4 death 3, 5 death 4, 6 heaven 3 ( first number is the d6 roll, zhen the lore and what dpell from the lore is cast. )

Staff of the damned: arcane artifact: lvl 4 bound spell, all friendly undead within 6" get +1 a, mounts included

Shroud: magical armour (its not an armor, therefor you can still have heavy armor and a shield.) +1 as. Enemy weapons in b2b (magic and common) do not provide a bonus to S and get the asl special rule.

Staff of fiery death: enchanted item, bound spell, lvl 3
Magic missile. Target enemy unit in 18" range. Suffers d6 s4 flaming hits. If you lose 1 wound it causes a panic test. If the unit is moved during its next turneach model suffers 1s4 hit. Spell ends if the unit moves or at the beginning oh vc's next magic phase.

Banner of the barrows: black knights, tomb guards, wight kings and krell get +1 to hit. Does not affect mounts.

Up to here all items are abailable to heroes.

Black periapt: arcane item, stores 2 power or dispeldice

Blade if agony

Wielder gets +1 a on charge, frenzy and flaming attacks.
If he fails to kill at least 1 enemy in close combat he's removed as a casulty at the end of the game.

Vampiric powers

Dreadknight: +2 ws. Vampire has to accept and issue challenges, as long as there isnt another vampire character or Krell present.

Summond creatures: able to raise direwolves, giant bats and bat swarms above starting size.

Perfect strike: swap all attacks for 1 with heroic killing blow (you don't have to)

Charming: nominate 1 mOdel in b2b, (after challenges are issued) it has to pass a ld check with -3 or has to reroll to hit.

Scary: passed tests for fear caused by the vampire or his unit have to be rerolled. If the enemy unit iswithin range of a bsbearer no rerolls are made (neither for the battlestandar nor for thos power)

Dark acolyte: vampire gets +d3 on casting all levels of invocation of nehek.

Terror: vampire causes terror.

Forbidden knowledge: use 1 lore from the rulebook, expect for lore of life

Dark Aura: all enemy units within 6" suffer -1 ld. Can be combined with orher simmilar effects.

ASF.

Flying (infantery only)

Red fury: bonus attacks for each wound caused. New attacks dont trigger another attack. You get bonusattacks for each wound caused, if you would happen to heroic killing blow an great unclean one you'd get 10 attacks.

Revenant:+1 wound

He-who-must-not-be-named (masterof the dark arts), reroll one of the dice for winds of magic.

The end. I translated the names myself (and in some cases i've been to lazy to do so)

Enjoy.

**RiTides**

Interesting about the magic items/abilities... but I'm not too enthused by the new official pics of the large beasties (ghouls and mini varghulfs).

**everwynd**

Its available for preorder now..

**bubber**

It's all up for advanced order now.
Painting is not that great & didn't realise that Isi is wearing crotchless armour & frilly knickers. I'm not usually a boo-boy - but GW time to grow up.

**Kroothawk**

Kroothawk wrote:Advance orders are up. Will add official pics to first post.

everwynd wrote:Its available for preorder now..

bubber wrote:It's all up for advanced order now.

Oh, and advance orders are up now

**Phyrexia**

Hey look finecast Nagash is available for pre-order.

**LunaHound**

Phyrexia wrote:Hey look finecast Nagash is available for pre-order.

**Lockark**

Phyrexia wrote:Hey look finecast Nagash is available for pre-order.

After looking at the advance orders, I read this and had to look agien because I would of been so confused how I missed that.
XD

I think I shall go to bed now. lol

**Flashman**

Tempted to get Kemler because he always was a great mini.

Not wowed by any of the new stuff except Black Knights which are awesome. I'd still say that the overall VC miniature line is pretty cool. The army book also sounds good but you can keep your Mortis Engine/Coven Throne daftness.

Ridiculous Finecast pricing of the batch = £30 for two fell bats, cruddy minis to begin with and now unaffordable cruddy minis

**DarkStarSabre**

I'm somewhat amazed that they finecasted those ridiculously ancient Necromancers, especially after releasing the quality new one in plastic.

The newest of the three is the one with a skull and he's from a Warhammer Quest expansion iirc.

But the other two? Seriously? They are so old it's not funny. Those are the oldest models in the VC range. Admittedly not as old as half the Dwarf range but still...