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The title kind of says it all, I was just thinking about the actual advantage having a standard would give in a smaller sub 2000 point army

Share your thoughts and ideas or any tactics you have made work involving the standard upgrade

Most people probably will say it's not worth it. But that plus 1 to combat res has saved my butt more than once, along with the re-rolls of morale on the regimental standard

The reroll moral one is pretty decent.

+1 to combat res is.. Niche beyond belief. We're talking about a squad of 5 guardsmen here, if they end up in combat they're probably mince meat. Sure it can save your bacon once in a blue moon, but for the price do you really think it'll do more work consistently than a plasma gun, melta gun, or flamer?

The morale re-roll can be great.

+1 combat res is less useful, but it can save your life at times. Whether it is worth it or not depends mostly on the rest of your list. In general, I would only take a standard after I have already filled my squads with special weapons and still got points to spare. Special weapons are a higher priority than standards imo.

Regimental Standards aren't crucial, but it's never really a waste of points unless your army is completely mechanized save for your CCS. If you have a decent amount of guardsmen on foot, take it.

Platoon Standards should only really be brought if you expect to end up in close combat. They will improve your odds, even if it is only slightly. The thing is, you reeeeeally should avoid close combat. The Guard are all about the firepower, not the fisticuffs.

all good comments so far, i think i see the general consensus appearing, the particular army i plan on buying/building is going to be a very mechanzied and mobile elysian detachment
so with regards to standards, this should help give some context around my original question any way here's my proposed list:-



+++ elysians (2501pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: IA03.2 - Elysian Regiment Drop Troops (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) (2501pts) ++

+ HQ (340pts) +

Elysian Company Command Squad (245pts) [Flak Armour, 4x Meltagun Vet]
··Company Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Melta Bombs]
··Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]

Lord Commissar (Drop Regiment) (95pts) [Bolt Pistol, Carapace Armour, Close Combat Weapon, Melta Bombs]

+ Troops (1721pts) +

Elysian Drop Infantry Platoon (370pts)
··Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Flamer, 8x Guardsman]
····Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Pistol]
··Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Flamer, 8x Guardsman]
····Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Pistol]
··Platoon Command Squad [4x Guard w/ Meltagun]
····Platoon Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]
····Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]

Elysian Drop Infantry Platoon (370pts)
··Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Flamer, 8x Guardsman]
····Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Pistol]
··Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Flamer, 8x Guardsman]
····Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Pistol]
··Platoon Command Squad [4x Guard w/ Meltagun]
····Platoon Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]
····Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]

Elysian Veteran Squad (327pts) [Demolitions, Grenadiers, 3x Plasma Gun Vet, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun]
··Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]
··Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Elysian Veteran Squad (327pts) [Demolitions, Grenadiers, 3x Plasma Gun Vet, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun]
··Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]
··Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Elysian Veteran Squad (327pts) [Demolitions, Grenadiers, 3x Plasma Gun Vet, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun]
··Valkyrie [2x Multiple Rocket Pods, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Multi-laser]
··Veteran Sergeant [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

+ Fast Attack (440pts) +

Imperial Navy Vendetta Squadron (260pts)
··Vendetta [2x Twin-linked Lascannons]
··Vendetta [2x Twin-linked Lascannons]

Tauros Squadron (180pts)
··Tauros Venator [Twin-linked Multi-laser]
··Tauros Venator [Twin-linked Multi-laser]
··Tauros Venator [Twin-linked Multi-laser]

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