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So how far does an ork thinking it does something and it working really go. I know it happens because of the psychic field but how far has an ork ever made something go. For example can an ork make a pipe shoot bullets? also I could not think of a shorter title so I made it shorter that way.

It's why the Emperor is alive dude, because they think he is alive. It's so powerful they just don't know how to harness that power.

So an ork can't use this power on purpose. He has to think something works in order for him to make ti work.

Example "red ones go faster" is not true, but orks believe it and now it happens for them. Unless the ork truly believes that the pipe is actually a gun, he cannot make it shoot.

They must believe.

It is also why Orks will never beat Yarrick, they believe he is so good and unkillable that they can never beat him. They have immortalized him (thats why he gets back up in the game).

So what is the weirdest thing that an ork has done because he believed?

 DeLong wrote:
So what is the weirdest thing that an ork has done because he believed?

Yarrick, The Emperor, Pretty much anything really. So much power but they cannot use it willingly.

Easy examples of use on the battlefield is firing more bullets than in their guns because they miscounted their shots (common in Orks) or painting trucks red to make them faster. just little things mostly that give slight boosts because remember, the ork has to believe it first.

If an ork believed he couldn't die then the galaxy would fall.

How does one make an orc believe something?

 DeLong wrote:
How does one make an orc believe something?

I suppose that is the secret to taking over the 40k Galaxy. The greatest mystery in the 40k lore.

If one could figure it out they would be unstoppable.

The gestalt psychic field does not allow Orks to do the impossible, simply the improbable.

An Ork finding an old pipe on the ground is not going to be able to just pick it up and start shooting bullets out of it, but the same Ork could find an old, beat-to-hell shoota, knock some mud off of it, and get it to work.

Yeah, with the gestalt field orks can make the improbable happen, if an ork believes that a red trukk would go faster, then it would, you wouldn't think that it would make it go faster, but since an ork believed it. It's also why most ork guns work, because the orks believe that they should work

So theoretically you are saying if an ork believes he can fly he can the question is how to make him believe.

 DeLong wrote:
So theoretically you are saying if and ork believes he can fly he can the question is how to make him believe.

Yes, exactly. The hard part is getting them to believe. If one can do this, then he could unite the orks and do anything he pleases. Perhaps even live forever. It is probably why the Emperor is still alive, he managed to do it just before he died so he could ensure they would keep him alive forever to guide humanity.

You are probable the most funny person I have had answer my question. So I guess the web way project the emperor was working on was a cover up it was really a way to make orks believe.

 DeLong wrote:
You are probable the most funny person I have had answer my question. So I guess the web way project the emperor was working on was a cover up it was really a way to make orks believe.

Exactly, people could not be told that he was relying on the xenos to actually do his job, so he needed even his closest advisers unclear on the whole thing. The Emperor had 2 options:

1, trick them into making him a full on God of death and destruction with ultimate power to do anything or
2, trick them into thinking he is immortal

Due to a lack of time and knowledge he had to settle with option 2 otherwise his plan could fail all together and spell doom for the human race. Thankfully he convinced enough orks that the word spread paving the way for humanity as we know it today. It is also why humanity does not know why the machine he is in is actually functioning.

Orks dude, they are the key to the universe in 40k. Only the best few are even able to slightly harness this power. Honestly I think Ork farms where they are fed false information and inreturn make that false information a reality would be the ultimate weapon.

Orks must have one heck of a gossiping community

 DeLong wrote:
Orks must have one heck of a gossiping community

They do, it's one of the many keys to the Ork success. It's why so many Orks respect Yarrick so much, because news spreads like wild fire among orks. If Orks did not gossip then the combined effect of Ork psychic power would be useless. This makes complete sense from an evolutionary aspect.

Of course there are groups who are out of contact, but this is not the norm and they have minimal impact over the vast majority of Orks.

Fascinating creatures really.

Maybe yorick has secretly mastered how to make orcs believe

So what happens when two orks believe they can kill eachother.

 DeLong wrote:
Maybe yorick has secretly mastered how to make orcs believe

If he has then he is a fool for not using it to his best potential. Honestly I think he just thinks he is epic on his own skill, rather than ork brain power.

Or an ork believes a dead ork is still alive.

 Swastakowey wrote:
It's why the Emperor is alive dude, because they think he is alive. It's so powerful they just don't know how to harness that power.

So an ork can't use this power on purpose. He has to think something works in order for him to make ti work.

Example "red ones go faster" is not true, but orks believe it and now it happens for them. Unless the ork truly believes that the pipe is actually a gun, he cannot make it shoot.

They must believe.

It is also why Orks will never beat Yarrick, they believe he is so good and unkillable that they can never beat him. They have immortalized him (thats why he gets back up in the game).

Or, more likely (and the subtle implication of the fluff), that the Meks paint the faster ones red.

This guy is my inspiration for my research. It is undoubted that Orks have had a roll in our society by simply believing.

Is gravity real? Is the sky really blue? Why do we need water and food or sleep?

Is it orks? Probably, nothing else can explain it. It must be orks and their ability to change all and everything to fit their perception of the world. We are the will of the Orks.

Does it work numbers-wise? Say three orks are standing there scratching their head over a gun. One ork thinks it will work. The two others think dat's busted. What happens?

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Or an ork believes a dead ork is still alive.

Then the ork is not dead. Unless more orks get involved and believe the ork is dead. When there is a conflict it goes to the majority ork think. In the event of a tie orks have devised a system where a giant fist comes out of the sky randomly eliminating one ork from existence, thereby nullifying the conflict in collective ork thought.


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AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Does it work numbers-wise? Say three orks are standing there scratching their head over a gun. One ork thinks it will work. The two others think dat's busted. What happens?

See above.


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Rihgu wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
It's why the Emperor is alive dude, because they think he is alive. It's so powerful they just don't know how to harness that power.

So an ork can't use this power on purpose. He has to think something works in order for him to make ti work.

Example "red ones go faster" is not true, but orks believe it and now it happens for them. Unless the ork truly believes that the pipe is actually a gun, he cannot make it shoot.

They must believe.

It is also why Orks will never beat Yarrick, they believe he is so good and unkillable that they can never beat him. They have immortalized him (thats why he gets back up in the game).

Or, more likely (and the subtle implication of the fluff), that the Meks paint the faster ones red.

No, this is a cover to help orks believe it. See the key is tricking orks into believing. The easier it is to believe the easier it is for the orks to make it happen.

My sources point to a caste of orks dedicated to try and make use of their ability. However they can only make small gains in countering the ork collective thought, such as red ones going faster. Give it a few more million years and orks will paint all vehicles red instead of just some. It takes time to do this unless you are exceptional at deceiving the orks.

Okay, so why couldn't an ork believe his belief is stronger than the other orks combined? Or even just his "opponents" in the current situation? Why couldn't they simply all believe that and nullify every belief they all have? Why can't an ork believe his beliefs dont become reality and that his beliefs are stronger than all other orks and destroy this whole process? Why can't they simply shape everything to their will?

Is this actually gw fluff or is this crapshooting? This would never work, the paradoxes and problems with it are enormous.

I might be winning the buzz killington award right now, but i can't tell if this is actually fluff supported by gw or stuff you guys are joking about.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Okay, so why couldn't an ork believe his belief is stronger than the other orks combined? Or even just his "opponents" in the current situation? Why couldn't they simply all believe that and nullify every belief they all have? Why can't an ork believe his beliefs dont become reality and that his beliefs are stronger than all other orks and destroy this whole process? Why can't they simply shape everything to their will?

Is this actually gw fluff or is this crapshooting? This would never work, the paradoxes and problems with it are enormous.

I might be winning the buzz killington award right now, but i can't tell if this is actually fluff supported by gw or stuff you guys are joking about.

Because they need to believe. This is the flaw in the ork ability. So an ork who thinks he is stronger is likely to get bigger because he believes it not because he wills it.

almost all Orks cannot exploit their true power... but others can (emperor for example maybe).

Yes this is the fluff, I assure you. It explains everything too. No holes when the galaxy is as the orks believe it to be.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Okay, so why couldn't an ork believe his belief is stronger than the other orks combined? Or even just his "opponents" in the current situation? Why couldn't they simply all believe that and nullify every belief they all have? Why can't an ork believe his beliefs dont become reality and that his beliefs are stronger than all other orks and destroy this whole process? Why can't they simply shape everything to their will?

Is this actually gw fluff or is this crapshooting? This would never work, the paradoxes and problems with it are enormous.

I might be winning the buzz killington award right now, but i can't tell if this is actually fluff supported by gw or stuff you guys are joking about.

Depends, do you want the truth or what Ork players believe?

It is the combined belief that makes these things happen though isn't it? So an Ork believing something to the contrary of his mates wouldn't make a difference.

Orks are also completely unaware of this latent communal psychic power (and would probably think trying to manipulate it was a waste of time which could be used crumping someone over the head)

 Eldarain wrote:
It is the combined belief that makes these things happen though isn't it? So an Ork believing something to the contrary of his mates wouldn't make a difference.

Orks are also completely unaware of this latent communal psychic power (and would probably think trying to manipulate it was a waste of time which could be used crumping someone over the head)

An ork picking up a broken gun and it firing is not due to collective belief the gun will work but the individual. It's just hard to convince an ork that he can do something amazing beyond reason. However if the collective think it then it gets wide spread (red paint on vehicles, the emperor etc). Really it's more to do with orks creating a reality for themselves and challenging that reality is something near impossible to do. So using their power is something incredibly difficult.

They are unaware yes (maybe not all...) and with great irony they cant even use their greatest power.

One could argue that the collective belief that the Meks have any idea what they are doing is what makes all Ork tech function.

 Eldarain wrote:
One could argue that the collective belief that the Meks have any idea what they are doing is what makes all Ork tech function.

Very true, this answer is just as valid. But when orks fire a few more bullets than is in the magazine, is this the result of a collective idea? Or and Ork that has miscounted the rounds and *believes* there should be more shots in there?

In my humble opinion, Orks alone can change things on accident or if they are tricked somehow. But that power greatly increases the more Orks that agree.

Which can be seen by the fact the emperor is alive.