Eldar Vaul's Support rulings

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**aspsnake**

Hi all,

I'm absolutely lost in understanding of this Eldar unit, someone help pls

Question 1: one of the crew members in the model itself is attached to the weapon, though in the list they appear as Vaul's Wrath Support Weapon and 2 crew members.

I don't quite understand how shooting at this unit will work. Let's assume the separate model of another guardian is already dead. I have several ideas how it could be:
1) Shots are assigned to the attached unit in the back if shot from back and to the artillery unit if shot from front. If artillery is shot, you replace him with another guardian (not attached to anything, standing straight) and this is just a guardian in a unit from now on.
2) Shots are always assigned to the attached unit. Once they both are gone, artillery is gone.
3) Shots are always assigned to the artillery, and once it's shot, the guy is replaced like in option 1.

Question 2: I'm completely lost in understanding what a shadow weaver (Vaul's Support basic weapon) is.
In edition 6, it says it's a s6 ap6 monofilament large blast barrage weapon; in edition 7, that it's an s3 ap3 blind weapon. It's still in monofilament weapons category, but monofilament rule is missing. So what exactly this is? I have a suspicion that correct answer is ed7 + monofilament, but wanted to make sure. Also if there are other typos like this in ed7 for other weapons, please tell me!

Thanks in advance for clarifying!

**roflmajog**

I'm not sure about your first question as I use the old style ones which have 2 crew models and no seat on the gun.
As for the second question the weapon you described is the sunrifle I think, nothing to do with the shadow weaver.
The shadow weaver profile is: 48" S6 AP6 Heavy 1, Barrage, Blast, Monofilament.
Also in 6th ed it was a small blast not large, it was just a mistake in the reference section that got errata'd.

**aspsnake**

Screenshot from 7th ed codex:

Sunrifle is listed in the previous category, so I believe you're right and this is a GW's copy/paste mistake.

**roflmajog**

Yeah a screenshot from the digital version, which are well known for having loads of mistakes like this in them. Try looking it up in the reference section rather than the ranged weapons section, it will probably have the other profile there.

**aspsnake**

Thanks very much for clarifying this! Let's hope someone answers the first question now

**Bojazz**

Basically - you need to put another guardian in the unit in order to complete the crew. Infantry models need to have their own bases for measuring purposes, So the crew member attached to the gun model is actually part of the gun model since they share a base. Wounds will always be allocated to the model nearest to the shooting unit. The model is the equivalent of a guardian piloting an eldar grav tank. They're just part of the model they're piloting.

If you want to count the guardian on the gun model and the gun as separate models you'll need to house rule it, in which case you can choose whichever option you want so long as you make it clear with your opponent.

**bluestang10**

aspsnake wrote:
Hi all,

I'm absolutely lost in understanding of this Eldar unit, someone help pls

Question 1: one of the crew members in the model itself is attached to the weapon, though in the list they appear as Vaul's Wrath Support Weapon and 2 crew members.

Yes, as cool as it looks it makes playing gakky. You either play assuming that guardian is in that location, in which case he is always within 2 in of the gun to fire, but then again the gun will die and he will be alive, and then you need to be able to move him away from the gun, possibly to a different gun, so what I am doing is, my flgs has a little box of 4 guardians, which I just bought last week, and i am going to model 3 more guardians for the squad, so that each gun will now have 2 guardians not attached to a gun.[i]

I don't quite understand how shooting at this unit will work. Let's assume the separate model of another guardian is already dead. I have several ideas how it could be:
1) Shots are assigned to the attached unit in the back if shot from back and to the artillery unit if shot from front. If artillery is shot, you replace him with another guardian (not attached to anything, standing straight) and this is just a guardian in a unit from now on.

That is correct hence my sugegstion above

2) Shots are always assigned to the attached unit. Once they both are gone, artillery is gone.
3) Shots are always assigned to the artillery, and once it's shot, the guy is replaced like in option 1.

Shots are saved or placed on the closest target from whom they are being shot at. So if you have a guardian out front, then even though his T7 to wound, his save is a 5+, then if a gun is next it will be a 3+ until the gun takes 2 wounds then whatever is closest after that either gun or guardian.

Question 2: I'm completely lost in understanding what a shadow weaver (Vaul's Support basic weapon) is.
In edition 6, it says it's a s6 ap6 monofilament large blast barrage weapon; in edition 7, that it's an s3 ap3 blind weapon. It's still in monofilament weapons category, but monofilament rule is missing. So what exactly this is? I have a suspicion that correct answer is ed7 + monofilament, but wanted to make sure. Also if there are other typos like this in ed7 for other weapons, please tell me!

You guys already really answered this, its a S6 AP6 monofilimient (wounding against initiative), small blast, barrage.

Thanks in advance for clarifying!

**aspsnake**

Thanks for explanation! It's clear now

**effreem**

Yea, I run mine with 2 crew on their own base.

I put 1 in front for each gun and 1 in back. As guns are killed off I move extra crew in front to protect the gun with ablative wounds with the Warlock stepping out in front as needed for LOS or invulns.