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2015/10/04 21:11:48
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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So another day another Gladius. This one based purely on vehicles at 1500:
GLADIUS
BATTLE COMPANY
Captain: 90
Chaplain: 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Tac Marines: Razorback AssCann 90
5 Ass Marines: Razorback LasPlas 90
5 Ass Marines: Razorback LasPlas 90
5 Dev Marines: Razorback LasPlas 90
5 Dev Marines: Razorback LasPlas 90
ARMOURED TASK FORCE
Techmarine: 65
Predator: Las Sponsons 115
Predator: Las Sponsons 115
Vindicator: 125
So that's 39 Hull Points at 1500 so I should never get tabled. 8 las cannons, 6 AssCanns, 4 Plasmas, 2 Autocannons and a demolisher provide decent firepower for mech and MCs. Whilst 90 bolter shots helps with hordes. It is not tabling much but is ObSec everywhere and won't ever get tabled so should walk any EW missions. What do you think?
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2015/10/04 21:12:52
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Needs more obsec Dreads
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2015/10/04 21:18:15
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Why? What do dreads bring to this list?
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2015/10/04 21:19:25
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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its worthwhile to drop a few of the razorback weapons for a fwe weapons on the tac squads IMHO. You still get TLHB afterall.
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2015/10/04 21:22:22
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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So drop an assault cannon to gain what?
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2015/10/04 21:23:01
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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I agree, drop all Assault cannons and get 6 Grav Guns, plus 3 combi-grav.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/10/04 21:23:24
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2015/10/04 21:26:13
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Grav guns on tac marines? Why on earth would I do that? What value is there in cheating to make my army worse?
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2015/10/04 21:32:50
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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How is it cheating?
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2015/10/04 21:35:14
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Because taking 1530 points to a 1500 tournament is cheating. Tac Marines aren't relentless which makes grav a horrid choice on them.
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2015/10/04 21:37:46
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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20x6 = 120... 6x15= 90 3x10 = 30.... =120... Just saying
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2015/10/04 22:16:34
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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looks like a boring spam list that in barely reflects Iron Hands fluff.
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2015/10/05 08:16:54
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Cool so I give up my twinlinked 4 shot all purpose weapons to gain a 9" range, 2 shot, 1 use gun (because if you're in 9" you're dead the following turn). Erm no thanks. Grav is horrid on tac marines. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well I'm expecting to win a tournament with my list so no it doesn't reflect IH tactics. In fact it won't even be painted in traitor colours it will be in loyalist colours (aka blue with white upside down omegas on the shoulder pads).
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2015/10/05 15:27:38
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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This is an absolutely brutal list and I agree it shouldn't get tabled unless fighting very dedicated lists like sentry pylon spam or eldar bike spam.
That said I would think about deployment - all those bolters are well and good but if some long range anti tank pops your tactical squads' transports early on their going to be back field spectators. I worry also that if your vehicles do hit some serious anti tank, you'd nothing to hit enemy tanks with. Maybe put the lascanon razor backs on the tactical marines to spread your anti tank out a bit (i.e., not with your dev squads)?
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2015/10/05 15:51:24
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Why would lascannon razorbacks onTacs make any difference on AT? For a start the tac and dev squads are identical so it makes no difference, also the Assault Cannon is better at AT than the Lascannon so I just don't understand your point at all?
I'm not convinced Pylon spam nor jetbike spam would table me. Remember 3 of the vehicles are AV13 and there's 57 space marine wounds too. You need a lot of antiMSU spam to even stand a chance. If the Stormsurge goes into the FBSC (as it should for the Riptide, thematically speaking) then Tau are the bigger worry. But we'll see on that front.
Yes the squads that lose transports early stay backfield and utilise ObSec on home objectives. This is a list that wins through scoring not through killing.
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2015/10/06 15:55:24
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Fully-charged Electropriest
Varying cities in the North
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I think this is a competitive list, but I don't understand why you posted it? Every piece of constructive criticism you've been given, you've (mostly very rudely) thrown back in their faces? If you just want approval then go and play against some newcomers to the hobby, table them, and give yourself a pat on the back.
I'm fine with competitive lists, but you've been very rude to anyone who has proffered their opinion at your request.
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2015/10/06 16:38:15
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Sorry if I come across rude, that is not my intention, blunt yes rude not so much. I've posted a competitive list to get advice on how to improve it. So if someone offers advice that weakens the list I'm not going to take it. If they offer advice that not thought out at all (like Grav on Tac marines) then I'm going to call them on it.
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2015/10/07 06:46:56
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Focused Fire Warrior
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Maybe drop an asscannon or 2 for some melta guns on the tacticals The hvy bolters are still good fire support, and some extra heavy firepower would be nice. Short-range firepower but meltaguns are always a welcome addition.
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2015/10/07 07:32:00
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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I'm not a huge fun of how 1 use melta guns are in this list. I think I'll get more from 2-3 turn of AssCann fire than 1 of 2 meltas.
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2015/10/07 08:07:52
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Couldn't help but lol at the amount of tude in this post haha
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2015/10/07 08:25:02
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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FlingitNow wrote:Why would lascannon razorbacks onTacs make any difference on AT? For a start the tac and dev squads are identical so it makes no difference, also the Assault Cannon is better at AT than the Lascannon so I just don't understand your point at all?
I'm not convinced Pylon spam nor jetbike spam would table me. Remember 3 of the vehicles are AV13 and there's 57 space marine wounds too. You need a lot of antiMSU spam to even stand a chance. If the Stormsurge goes into the FBSC (as it should for the Riptide, thematically speaking) then Tau are the bigger worry. But we'll see on that front.
Yes the squads that lose transports early stay backfield and utilise ObSec on home objectives. This is a list that wins through scoring not through killing.
Ah, I see, you're not putting any weapons into the squads. In which case I just don't think you have enough AT.
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2015/10/07 12:38:48
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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If I had heavy weapons in the Devs I'd use Sentinel tactics. I average nearly 10 HPs a turn to AV13 so I've not got horrid AT. I don't really see a way to up it either. I can move it around, but not really add to it.
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2015/10/07 12:49:30
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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My only point would be how useful a solo techmarine is. IDK how much it would accomplish or if those points could be better spent elsewhere? I'll admit to not knowing gladius or the 7th SM book too well, but it seems like a lone Tech might not get much done.
Otherwise, it's a strong list.
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2015/10/07 12:59:55
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Tech marine is a mandatory choice for the tank formation.
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2015/10/07 13:08:13
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Norn Queen
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No psychic defense a potential problem?
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2015/10/07 13:17:13
Subject: Re:[1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes at 1,500 you expect gaps. However the main psychic power houses are death stars and against them I'm going for everything except the star and using ObSec to win on VPs.
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2015/10/07 13:18:54
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Norn Queen
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Roger that.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
"Feelin' goods, good enough". |
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2015/10/07 13:30:37
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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How do you deal with gargantuan critters?
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2015/10/07 13:55:50
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Las cannons, rending, plasma and MSU spam.
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2015/10/07 15:26:04
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Have you seen how much of each/all of those it takes to kill a Tau'nar?
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2015/10/07 15:39:16
Subject: [1500] - Iron Hands Gladius - Tank army
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yes the Ta'unar is not something I would attempt to kill. Kill everything else feed him 5 man marine squads until the game ends. Win on VPs.
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