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2015/10/05 13:16:40
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I like the idea of being able to upgrade a veteran Sgt. to a special character, but I just can't see there being any reason to spend that many points on a T3, W1 model. Has anyone ever used him and found it to be worthwhile?
I could see him being worth it if he could issue orders or something, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
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2015/10/05 13:35:38
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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I'm gonna lean towards probably, but I can see how maybe he might be fun in a chimera running with a plasma vet squad, since he's relentless and can fire out of the hatch.
I don't think he's a sound investment but few special characters really are.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2015/10/05 13:51:05
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Like most of the Guard special characters, he's horrifically overcosted for what he does. He used to give his squad some nice buffs but no longer.
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2015/10/05 14:25:28
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes especially since you can pretty much buy a second veteran squad for the same price.
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2015/10/06 02:30:58
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
What's left of Cadia
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Harker is pretty much useless yes. He's way overcosted for what he does
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
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2015/10/06 03:04:16
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Nope, waste of ink sadly. Model isn't half bad either, you'd think they would have put some effort to make it worth buying. To think they kept Harker while they kicked our Marbo.
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2015/10/06 03:05:25
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Bounding Assault Marine
East Bay, USA
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Yes, 55 points of bad decisions. Harker is pretty much the epitome of the Astra Militarum codex currently. Horribly over priced and useless.
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2015/10/07 13:01:07
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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I made this real cool Chaos Harker conversion for the last Guard codex, when he at least gave Infiltrate to his Catachan Devils, and would put him in a sniper unit, or an infiltrating Chimera, but now there is no benefits to him at all in the Astra Militarium book.
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2015/10/08 12:36:40
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Guardsman with Flashlight
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In current edition he is terrible, but judging what they did to Telion he will become a separate HQ choice and will be buffed to 2 wounds.
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2015/10/08 14:20:37
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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 Scion of the Emperor wrote:In current edition he is terrible, but judging what they did to Telion he will become a separate HQ choice and will be buffed to 2 wounds.
And hopefully regain his relentless HB and drop a few points too.
Sorry OP, in his current state Harker is useless.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/10/08 15:11:07
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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What DOES he do in the current codex? I've never seen him fielded.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2015/10/08 15:39:19
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Basically he is a 55 point upgrade for a Veteran section and comes with a rending Bolter.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/10/08 15:53:49
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I posted in proposed rules, about giving him the ability to issue all orders to his own squad,
However this would come at the cost of no other officers being able to issue orders to his veteran squad.
That, and giving him +1 T and maybe a second would MIGHT make him worth taking.
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2015/10/08 16:10:49
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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+1T, return his weapon to a relentless HB and reduce him to around 30 points at the most, preferably less, and you might just bring him back to within sight of viability.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/10/08 17:39:14
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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I enjoyed the old "Harkerstar" of the last codex, setting it up with camo cloaks made for a nice entrenched threat. Sadly those days are behind us and Sgt Harker sits now on a self, a relic from the glory days.
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2015/10/08 19:18:56
Subject: sergeant Harker...completely useless?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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 master of ordinance wrote:+1T, return his weapon to a relentless HB and reduce him to around 30 points at the most, preferably less, and you might just bring him back to within sight of viability.
Harker still has the special rule for relentless. And his heavy bolter has the rending special rule as well, but her still isn't worth it.
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