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Hey all
I know not many people care about the Crimson Slaughter, but the recent FAQ seems to have screwed over mr Kranon, their Lord. In the supplement, it says you build him using a bunch of their relics, but the new FAQ says you can only ever have one relic with characters. So Kranon can't be Kranon anymore? :C

Didn't it specify unless noted otherwise?

The supplement doesn't have a unit entry for him, it just shows his model in the modelling section- and under him in the image description it says it is Kranon with all the different relics that he has. So it's not really a rule in the supplement.

That said, you're just going to have to use only one of the relics on him and have the rest just be pieces of "non functional wargear" ie stuff that is represented by stuff he can take. Like the Slaughters horns are just a fancy helmet, and his blade of the relentless is just a power sword.

Tiberius501 wrote:
Hey all
I know not many people care about the Crimson Slaughter, but the recent FAQ seems to have screwed over mr Kranon, their Lord. In the supplement, it says you build him using a bunch of their relics, but the new FAQ says you can only ever have one relic with characters. So Kranon can't be Kranon anymore? :C

It says unless otherwise specified. Since it says that Kranon has a bunch of relics, this would be a case of otherwise specified.

Text in picture says he's a Chaos Lord with the Relentless Blade, Slaughter's Horns and Daemonheart. Maybe gw should make a faq

Dident the FAQ say one relic of each type and not one relic period? I cant find it right now but yesterday when I read it I could have sword it was one relif of each type per character. So I'd imagine it is one weapn, One armour and so on

By 'unless otherwise specified' they almost certainly only meant specific named characters with multi-relic stat blocks.

This is a classic case of the left eye not knowing what the right nostril is doing.

I found it, Its says of any kind, I guess I was wrong.

Isn't the FAQ a work in progress? Maybe bring that up with them for clarification.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Isn't the FAQ a work in progress? Maybe bring that up with them for clarification.

It is, and yes, the OP should comment on the fb thread (if they have fb)

 corpuschain wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Isn't the FAQ a work in progress? Maybe bring that up with them for clarification.

It is, and yes, the OP should comment on the fb thread (if they have fb)

Someone posted about it in the relevant thread on Facebook. Hopefully they address it.

I don't see the need, in this case.

The FAQ says 'unless otherwise specified' and Kranon's entry specifies otherwise.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
I don't see the need, in this case.

The FAQ says 'unless otherwise specified' and Kranon's entry specifies otherwise.

Kranon doesn't have an entry though, according to the guys above. He just has a picture with some text saying how one could run him.

He doesn't exist as a character in the game mechanics.

Outside of Dark Vengeance, he never has.

The FAQ didn't change anything about that.

As I read through the FAQ , I got to this part and thought- why are they nerfing CSM so hard? This is just a rough draft of the FAQ's so hopefully it was an oversight. It hobbles CSM even more and goes directly against what GW was trying to get us to do with our outdated codex. A Chaos Lord or Daemon Prince with only 1 relic/artifact doesn't seem right at all and the OP is correct, Krannon the Relentless is now an illegal Chaos Lord.

How does it nerf Chaos?

Seems like Dark Eldar got the worst of it.

The new Crimson Slaughter doesent describe Kranon at all, (or draznicht, the helbrute, or any of the "special" characters). Fir example, in one of the Echoes of War missions it now states you must take a Chao Lord to represent Kranon, where previously it gave you the page number for his description and wargear.

Ok so I imagine you could use the reference sheet you get from the dark vengence pack as a dataslate for Krannon the Relentless. This means the quota of "unless otherwise stated" And the referance sheet/dataslate states Krannon IS a chaos lord with the following relics therefore you can take him with what relics he has on the reference sheet but you can't add anything more (such as a sigil of corruption.)

Its all there in the referance sheet and I imagine if you take it to tournaments and point out the wording on the character dataslate you wont have a problem. Think of it as similar to the starter box sets like necrons with the printout of the formation, its an official part of the necron army you can use in game so I imagine the same for the crimson slaughter and the dark vengence datasheet.

Its all GW approved datasheets so its all goooooood. So don't worry OP you can still use Krannon.

Reavas wrote:
Ok so I imagine you could use the reference sheet you get from the dark vengence pack as a dataslate for Krannon the Relentless. This means the quota of "unless otherwise stated" And the referance sheet/dataslate states Krannon IS a chaos lord with the following relics therefore you can take him with what relics he has on the reference sheet but you can't add anything more (such as a sigil of corruption.)

Its all there in the referance sheet and I imagine if you take it to tournaments and point out the wording on the character dataslate you wont have a problem. Think of it as similar to the starter box sets like necrons with the printout of the formation, its an official part of the necron army you can use in game so I imagine the same for the crimson slaughter and the dark vengence datasheet.

Its all GW approved datasheets so its all goooooood.

If someone at a tourney brought Kranon and paid the points for all his wargear I'd let him play with it 100 times out of 100. If he wants to purposefully gimp himself then all the better for me

 Ignatius wrote:

Reavas wrote:
Ok so I imagine you could use the reference sheet you get from the dark vengence pack as a dataslate for Krannon the Relentless. This means the quota of "unless otherwise stated" And the referance sheet/dataslate states Krannon IS a chaos lord with the following relics therefore you can take him with what relics he has on the reference sheet but you can't add anything more (such as a sigil of corruption.)

Its all there in the referance sheet and I imagine if you take it to tournaments and point out the wording on the character dataslate you wont have a problem. Think of it as similar to the starter box sets like necrons with the printout of the formation, its an official part of the necron army you can use in game so I imagine the same for the crimson slaughter and the dark vengence datasheet.

Its all GW approved datasheets so its all goooooood.

If someone at a tourney brought Kranon and paid the points for all his wargear I'd let him play with it 100 times out of 100. If he wants to purposefully gimp himself then all the better for me

Haha exacally! Its not a particularly powerful chaos lord anyway, he is alright but its not like some magic super crazy wraithnight with a 4+ fnp relic. And its official GW datasheet so they cant dispute it lest you can dispute any of the "getting started" pack formations just for not being in an official codex.

As well as the page describing the Lords of Slaughter, there is a paragraph opposite of the same title that explains you can use these combinations of equipment if you want to use these named characters in your own games.

It certainly punishes my Warpsmith, who used to run with Scrolls and murder Sword. Sigh.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

This is a classic case of the left eye not knowing what the right nostril is doing.

lol, I'm curious as to which writer you consider to be the right nostril. What a great title that'd be.

I dunno, doesn't the codex trump that? according to the dex we can pick multiples. I figured this would just be them covering their bases and giving us a base rule to follow.

Roknar wrote:
I dunno, doesn't the codex trump that? according to the dex we can pick multiples. I figured this would just be them covering their bases and giving us a base rule to follow.

Unless otherwise stated in the codex then no, if you can find any pics or quote would love to see

 Griddlelol wrote:
lol, I'm curious as to which writer you consider to be the right nostril. What a great title that'd be.

at my summer job, my former boss's job title was 'Head Floor Sweeper'. Ahh, Secret Caverns

Reading the CSM codex again and I'm not so confident about them being able to choose multiples, though I would still do it.

Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter however flat out state that if you can selects artefacts, you can buy them from the list. You don't even have to exchange weapons. If you wanted to, you could buy all of them on one character.

The Lords of Slaughter
[fluff text]
You will find a selection of these characters presented here, along with their appropriate wargear, if you wish to represent them on the battlefield.

...opposite page:

LORDS OF SLAUGHTER
Bob the Irritable
Relic of Bob 1, Relic of Bob 2
[picture]

Dave the Curmudgeonly
Stuff
[picture]

(paraphrased the second page to save typing out crazy relic names)

I just downloaded the new version of the Crimson Slaughter codex off iBooks, and there is no explanation of Kranon I can find, explaining the relics to be used to create him anymore.
So unless I'm missing it, I guess you can't make him anymore, going by the "unless stated otherwise" rule. Which sucks. He was hardly the greatest Lord ever, but I liked him for the flavour. The sword is the most unique weapon in the game IMO, and his daemon heart/ slaughters horns were awesome. So many special rules!
Guess I'll have to deal with just the Daemon armour and a powersword? *sulks*


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 corpuschain wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
Isn't the FAQ a work in progress? Maybe bring that up with them for clarification.

It is, and yes, the OP should comment on the fb thread (if they have fb)

Someone posted about it in the relevant thread on Facebook. Hopefully they address it.

Have they replied yet?! I can't find the damn post

This thread has me wondering if I'm running an illegal list now. I'm running a Chaos Sorcerer from the Crimson Slaughter book with the Balestar of Mannon, would I be able to add the Deamonheart armor as well as the Balestar?