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So when I took a break from the 40k scene in early 2016, a lot of rumors were flying around about a new codex or codexes, the three rumored ones being IG, CSM, and Nids, but after almost half a year, not only have none of them gotten one, there hasn't been a single one. Any ideas as to why, Possibly an upcoming 8th edition?

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It looks like GW might be done releasing codexes. The recent Space Wolves codex and Chaos Daemons were instead given a "compilation" codex that took the datasheets, detachments and formations from various publications and compiled them into one book, with some amendments made, and it looks like this is the way they will be going. Which is rather disappointing as most pre-Necron codexes are in a serious need of an overhaul.

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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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Tell me about it. If I have to wait another year or more to get a single above-mediocore unit outside of Wyverns, I'm going to cry. Then play Renegades and Heretics because Forge World has a clue. Same for Nids and CSM really.

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The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.

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If this compilation-FAQ 'living Codex' thing is what GW decides to go with I'll be very disappointed if the worst codices aren't addressed in any significant way. There are lots of useless/ill-fitting/over-priced units in the 'bad' codices. I'm not going to be a happy camper if the 'fix' is just letting me run three more Flyrants, as an example.

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Agreed. There is a difference between balancing an army and balancing a codex, and often that art seems to elude GW. As above, I'm pretty sure Nids would like more alternative strategies then "moar flyrant!"

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 saithor wrote:
Agreed. There is a difference between balancing an army and balancing a codex, and often that art seems to elude GW. As above, I'm pretty sure Nids would like more alternative strategies then "moar flyrant!"


Agreed. Besides, been gone for a long while, but last I remember, Grand Moff Kirby finally got taken out of power, and a new guy who actually plays and supports the game came in.

If anything, he probably halted all Kirby's plans in order to take the company in a new direction rather than popping out codexes at breakneck speed. I want a new Tyranid codex, but I'll be honest. We are screwed so badly, that it will take a total burning and overhaul of the entire thing just to salvage a quarter of the Tyranids. I'm personally fine with waiting if Tyranids get a quality of life update.

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The current rumor is that there will be no 7th edition codexes for the old armies because it's a "Lame Duck" Edition; 8th is in the works.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.

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Those Tyranid, IG and CSM rumors were from BOLS and already debunked by Sad Panda a week later. He had correctly posted about the SW and Fyreslayers getting releases instead. According to him Codex: Deathwatch will be out before the Thousand Sons miniatures, which will come at the end of 2016.


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 Zan wrote:
If this compilation-FAQ 'living Codex' thing is what GW decides to go with I'll be very disappointed if the worst codices aren't addressed in any significant way. There are lots of useless/ill-fitting/over-priced units in the 'bad' codices. I'm not going to be a happy camper if the 'fix' is just letting me run three more Flyrants, as an example.


It's a simple FAQ, not even remotely close to a "living codex". They're not balancing stuff with it, they're explaining the existing rules and what they hand in mind when they wrote them.
They still have to release an updated codex for a few armies, it's just a matter of time I'd say.

Or they just give up and redo the entire ruleset, releasing new rules for all the armies as well - like they did with AoS. wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen to the game, as long as there is a point system of some kind.
   
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nekooni wrote:
It's a simple FAQ, not even remotely close to a "living codex". They're not balancing stuff with it, they're explaining the existing rules and what they hand in mind when they wrote them.


Well they are also errating stuff changing rules. Though rather randomly with it.

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tneva82 wrote:
nekooni wrote:
It's a simple FAQ, not even remotely close to a "living codex". They're not balancing stuff with it, they're explaining the existing rules and what they hand in mind when they wrote them.


Well they are also errating stuff changing rules. Though rather randomly with it.

Yeah - a lot of the answers are actually errata, but it's obviously not done with balance in mind in many cases. Having one FAQ session per codex really doesn't qualify as a "Living ruleset" at all. It's the bare minimum of effort put into a rulebook post-production, and it took them a while to do even that little. It's a good move and appreciated, but really nothing compared to what others do.

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The last compilation (for Orks and chaos space marines) we're like put all the gak together on a same bucket and then throw all it to the players of those armies face haha

Omg, they were so terrible bad. And you also could add the new csm started pack as sample of more gak new stuff.

   
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 Vector Strike wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
CSM doesn't have one for the army at large. IG only has Cadians, so maybe Catachans could get one. Tempestuous could maybe get one.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
CSM doesn't have one for the army at large. IG only has Cadians, so maybe Catachans could get one. Tempestuous could maybe get one.

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 Imateria wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
CSM doesn't have one for the army at large. IG only has Cadians, so maybe Catachans could get one. Tempestuous could maybe get one.

The there's Dark Eldar.
Yup. I forgot about the Eldar D Squad.

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If I remember Grey Knights are still lacking a decurion of their own. However the Nemesis Strikeforce is juuuust good enough (in context of the grey knights at least) that you probably won't notice.

there's also the Ad-Mechs too, but that is a completely different trainwreck and the decurion is the least of it's problems.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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If I remember Grey Knights are still lacking a decurion of their own. However the Nemesis Strikeforce is juuuust good enough (in context of the grey knights at least) that you probably won't notice.

there's also the Ad-Mechs too, but that is a completely different trainwreck and the decurion is the least of it's problems.


Probably see a GK "Greycurion" or the very least formations in the eventual Warzone Fenris part 2 campaign book.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
CSM doesn't have one for the army at large. IG only has Cadians, so maybe Catachans could get one. Tempestuous could maybe get one.

Catachans are dead, effectively, and I could not be more okay with that.

Tempestus probably won't get one, if anything I expect them to take the hit and bring them back in (annoyingly) as a purely Guard unit.
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 Vankraken wrote:
 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
If I remember Grey Knights are still lacking a decurion of their own. However the Nemesis Strikeforce is juuuust good enough (in context of the grey knights at least) that you probably won't notice.

there's also the Ad-Mechs too, but that is a completely different trainwreck and the decurion is the least of it's problems.


Probably see a GK "Greycurion" or the very least formations in the eventual Warzone Fenris part 2 campaign book.

Sad Panda has pretty much said to expect a "Greycurion" come part II.

Hopefully we don't see a CSM Decurion, as it'll just be the final nail in their poor coffin...
Some formations & new rules for Thousand Sons & Maggy, but actually expecting anything remotely above "almost playable" is probably setting one's hopes too high. GW has proven they don't give a rat's fart about CSM's, or at least, not until they maybe decide to overhaul the entire army as is rumored for next year.


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Vector Strike wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The goal seems to be to give each army its own multiformation Detachment for right now. Several armies are still missing them, so the schedule seems to be filled with attempts to give those armies access to them rather than making all new codexes.


Aside Tyranids and BA, who else is? Sisters and the smaller codexes would hardly get one.
CSM doesn't have one for the army at large. IG only has Cadians, so maybe Catachans could get one. Tempestuous could maybe get one.

CSM's are a dead army at this point... Without a full model line overhaul, there's point sinking any effort into them, since a Chaoscurion simply can't make up for the fact that the scariest shooting they have are plasma guns & autocannons, while completely lacking any kind of delivery system for their many, many over-priced assault units.

BA's simply need the SW/DA treatment.

Guard need a few rules tweeks, such as the return of their old Lumbering Behemoth rule, as well as plastic'ing of Roughriders/Ratlings and such. A non-'Cadian only' Decurion needs to be less punishing in the amount of infantry it forces players to take as well!

Tyranids just need a rules overhaul. Dark Eldar likewise, but to a lesser extent than the poor Bugs.

GW have outright admitted that they have no clue really what or how they want Orks to really function & fit in, so sadly, I doubt there's much hope in the foreseeable future for the poor greenies.

 
   
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Dark Eldar suck the big one too. :( Easily worse than Chaos Space Marines and that's an astounding accomplishment thanks to these new base rulebook FAQ's.
   
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Dark Eldar suck the big one too. :( Easily worse than Chaos Space Marines and that's an astounding accomplishment thanks to these new base rulebook FAQ's.

Dark Eldar are certainly in need of help, but let's be real here, they are nowhere close to CSM levels of inept...

Codex vs. codex, DE are better than CSM's.
It's only when you supplement your "Chaos Marine army" with about 75%+ of FW and/or Daemon allies that CSM armies become around mid tier.

 
   
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 Gamgee wrote:
Dark Eldar suck the big one too. :( Easily worse than Chaos Space Marines and that's an astounding accomplishment thanks to these new base rulebook FAQ's.

Dark Eldar are certainly in need of help, but let's be real here, they are nowhere close to CSM levels of inept...

Codex vs. codex, DE are better than CSM's.
It's only when you supplement your "Chaos Marine army" with about 75%+ of FW and/or Daemon allies that CSM armies become around mid tier.


Guys, we're not gonna do another round of who sucks worse. DE, CSM, Orks, and Guard are all pretty much in the same boat.

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nekooni wrote:
 Zan wrote:
If this compilation-FAQ 'living Codex' thing is what GW decides to go with I'll be very disappointed if the worst codices aren't addressed in any significant way. There are lots of useless/ill-fitting/over-priced units in the 'bad' codices. I'm not going to be a happy camper if the 'fix' is just letting me run three more Flyrants, as an example.


It's a simple FAQ, not even remotely close to a "living codex". They're not balancing stuff with it, they're explaining the existing rules and what they hand in mind when they wrote them.
They still have to release an updated codex for a few armies, it's just a matter of time I'd say.

Or they just give up and redo the entire ruleset, releasing new rules for all the armies as well - like they did with AoS. wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen to the game, as long as there is a point system of some kind.


You can see that I agree with you because I put 'living Codex' in quotes, implying the sarcastic tone.

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Well, GW is more into supplementary material and formations right now.

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And yet I never even noticed a difference. Not like they were gonna release new sisters stuff anyway. That would require effort and a desire to make money.

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I almost wonder if Blood Angels and Tyranids will get a Shield of Baal followup. Affairs between the two are hardly unfinished, and it seems like a perfect place to give them each their super detachments.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I almost wonder if Blood Angels and Tyranids will get a Shield of Baal followup. Affairs between the two are hardly unfinished, and it seems like a perfect place to give them each their super detachments.


It would have been the perfect springboard for a Sisters launch but hey ho............

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I almost wonder if Blood Angels and Tyranids will get a Shield of Baal followup. Affairs between the two are hardly unfinished, and it seems like a perfect place to give them each their super detachments.

The term super detatchments is a stretch. IMO they would have to unfudge the codices first.
   
 
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