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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 15:58:45
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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I guess the only reason they dont actually make them, since the technology is clearly there, is that they feel they will not make them any money.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 16:04:18
Subject: No excuses left now.
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 16:13:24
Subject: Re:No excuses left now.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes I'd like to know where that Sister came from too - doesn't look like a GW cast.
You never know with GW, especially these days - they're reviving a lot of things and Sisters have the potential to be on the list.
Just don't hold your breath over them
G.A
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 16:15:07
Subject: Re:No excuses left now.
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 16:20:38
Subject: Re:No excuses left now.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Thanks for the link - well at least we have a place to go if you ever considered picking up Sisters Supposedly, that is - not sure if I trust an upstarting Russian model site
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 17:56:32
Subject: Re:No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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Actually, the likely biggest factor that's holding back on GW doing a full-on Sisters overhaul & re-release, is the utter lack of shelf space in their brick and mortar stores...
Until they can fully condense the bloat of the Fantasy to AoS transition, and combine the million or so Marine kits into general all-purpose kits, (ie: remove Rhino + Razorback kits & bundle into 'Space Marine Transport' kit that's both Rhino AND Razorback in one), don't expect to see fully fleshed out new armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 17:58:12
Subject: Re:No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Experiment 626 wrote:
Until they can fully condense the bloat of the Fantasy to AoS transition, and combine the million or so Marine kits into general all-purpose kits, (ie: remove Rhino + Razorback kits & bundle into 'Space Marine Transport' kit that's both Rhino AND Razorback in one), don't expect to see fully fleshed out new armies.
You mean like they're doing with the "Deathwatch Transport" kit? (someone help, insert the picture!) It's a Rhino/Razorback kit with a DW sprue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 17:58:28
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Lady of the Lake
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Really just slap a new box on the razorback kit already...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 18:03:18
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Or they're trying to Squat the SoB?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 18:21:25
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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SO WANT SISTERS! I know there are people that want to play them so badly that they have given up on plastic/resin models and are ordering the metal models. If it's even mentioned in my local GW store, pretty much everyone arees that they'd love to start a Sisters army if they had plastic models. I really don't understand why GW hasn't made them yet.
SG
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Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 19:53:07
Subject: Re:No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Sisters were my first imperial army (after I came to terms with just how awful Tau were at the time) and they marked the point where I started loving the 40k setting for what it is, rather than what I projected onto it.
Even then they were considered a very niche army, more so than the Grey Knights (because they cost about the same per model but you didn't need to buy as many GK to fill out your points) but not as niche as the Dark Eldar (who were more maligned then than sisters are now, imo). Even then, there were little weird eccentricities about the Witch Hunters' codex, or little problems GW didn't want to acknowledge: Witch Hunters and Demon Hunters could take land raiders, but when the edition changed and it effectively stopped being an assault vehicle due to the wording, GW eventually released an FAQ for each army with identical wording except it gave the GK land raider its assault ramp back but not the Sisters'.
Then the DE and GK got major revamps, the latter became a less super-low-model army and the former was barely recognizable. And sisters were just kind of... left alone.
And I mean, if that was it we'd probably still be having this conversation, but for a few years GW seemed to have a legit hate-on for the Sisters of Battle. In no particular order... the new codex spread across two white dwarf issues utterly savaged their core mechanic (most egregiously making it not scale to army size iirc) and bits of lore sprinkled about here and there about how sisters are killed to achieve some frivolous goal that doesn't matter. It's like GW was pushing their authors to include subtle jabs of that nature too, but mostly people noticed Matt Ward tried to do it with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer in that previously mentioned GK codex.
I don't think they were deliberately singling out the Sisters here, but they're the face of the Ecclesiarchy, and 'I want to show that religion is evil and rules the world but don't respect religious people enough to write them as anything other than total morons' is a very common staple of hack writing.
But yes, oh yes, if plastic sisters came back I would be camping outside the local GW store here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 20:58:20
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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If you see a plastic thunderhawk, then you'll know they finally have a shot of being made
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/11 21:03:48
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Gargantuan Gargant
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I really do feel it's only a matter of time until they produce a new sisters codex and plastic miniatures line, but honestly I think what is holding them back is a lack of a Sister's Loving Champion in the GW staff.
With the rumors of Sisters Of Silence being in the next 30K boxed game, I can't but think were another step closer to it happening.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 03:13:19
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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The Sisters of Silence and the Sisters of Battle are entirely different armies, stories, and eras. The one has no impact on the other.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 04:50:39
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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I do love the Sisters but not enough to spend money on them.
So I'd say it's a combination of
A-Don't think it will make them money
B-Studio folks not interested at the moment
All shrill rhetoric aside, GW is sitting on 20 years of sisters sales. They can look at how they did when the 2 codexes and the various WD and digital army lists dropped. They can compare them to other all metal armies like Steel Legion or Vostroyans, they can see how female models like DE Wyches do. Hell they can see how the FFG and BL Sisters books did. And we can safely say if Sisters were fantastic sellers they'd front burner them.
We've also heard that the studio is a small group, decisions are based in part by personalities and vision. Necrons were totally redesigned because someone had a neat idea for them, otherwise they might have been forgotten. Squats were dropped not because of sales, but because no one was passionate for them.
There was a quote from 2014 of someone in the studio saying nothing is in the works, I doubt that's changed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 07:07:25
Subject: Re:No excuses left now.
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Lord of the Fleet
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General Annoyance wrote:Yes I'd like to know where that Sister came from too - doesn't look like a GW cast.
You never know with GW, especially these days - they're reviving a lot of things and Sisters have the potential to be on the list.
Just don't hold your breath over them
G.A
Not GW and not plastic.
Resin from an indy guy in Russia.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 12:14:17
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Fighter Pilot
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Honestly a good competition for what GW could make the sisters is the ones being made at Raging Heroes.
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"Whatever happens, you will not be missed."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 13:35:33
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Field_Mouse wrote:Honestly a good competition for what GW could make the sisters is the ones being made at Raging Heroes.
Those are super stylized pinup models in fancy resin though. Theyre really not a good example.
And as we all know, GW shouldnt be allowed to touch resin with a 10 foot pole
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 14:43:57
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Gargantuan Gargant
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Psienesis wrote:The Sisters of Silence and the Sisters of Battle are entirely different armies, stories, and eras. The one has no impact on the other.
The one has no impact on the other, in the fiction. Unless you follow the Horus Heresy fiction, you are not going to know the difference.
Both are Imperial Faction armored females. At worst, they are conversion fodder for sisters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 15:03:36
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Psienesis wrote:The Sisters of Silence and the Sisters of Battle are entirely different armies, stories, and eras. The one has no impact on the other.
From a marketing perspective, there is virtually no difference. If SoS sell well, it shows that there is a market for female models.
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1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 15:38:49
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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So spoiler alert!
GW actual can and has made plastic sisters but no for retail. If you wanna see plastic sisters you need to entice GW to make them, meaning they need to move all of their old metal modes before they will even fathom the idea of making plastic ones.
So if you want better newer sisters, go buy more sisters
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 16:35:33
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Buy old outdated overpriced models, so the people who are not suckers that buy after you can have good models with reasonable costs.
Yeah how about anyone who thinks that is reasonable go sit on a 2 liter bottle of coke.
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warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!
8k points
3k points
3k points
Admech 2.5k points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/12 17:34:05
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
UK
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Those Russian sisters look amazing. But how long before GW send them a cease and desist? They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are sisters of battle.
As for GW making plastic sisters? It's only a matter of time IMO.
They would be a huge seller and the hype surrounding the release would be insane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/13 16:51:25
Subject: Re:No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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It should go without saying but Dream Forge's female tank hunters are great female power armor models. They have tons of options and are compatable with the rest of the DF infantry.
http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/infantry/products/eisenkern-panzerjagers-10-female-tank-hunters
No they're not SoBs, but after 20+ years they might be the best we get.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/13 17:34:31
Subject: Re:No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Experiment 626 wrote:Actually, the likely biggest factor that's holding back on GW doing a full-on Sisters overhaul & re-release, is the utter lack of shelf space in their brick and mortar stores...
Until they can fully condense the bloat of the Fantasy to AoS transition, and combine the million or so Marine kits into general all-purpose kits, (ie: remove Rhino + Razorback kits & bundle into 'Space Marine Transport' kit that's both Rhino AND Razorback in one), don't expect to see fully fleshed out new armies.
Condense the bloat of Fantasy? They are releasing even more kits for AoS, it won't be long before they've filled the space they saved by killing Brets and Tomb Kings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/13 18:57:37
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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EnTyme wrote: Psienesis wrote:The Sisters of Silence and the Sisters of Battle are entirely different armies, stories, and eras. The one has no impact on the other.
From a marketing perspective, there is virtually no difference. If SoS sell well, it shows that there is a market for female models.
The results of the RH Kickstarters proves there's demand for female models. GW doesn't need to do any further market research beyond that to prove that point (which they have admitted they do not do.)
GW has only sales numbers to go by. They do no market research before or after a product launch to guide future decisions. Things that appear on every store shelf, with large marketing campaigns (either direct, like ads, or supplementary, like in video games) and solid rules behind them sell well. Those that lack these things do not. This is why Space Marines continue to sell the best. They have the most marketing, the most studio support, and the widest variety of rules. Tau and Eldar have only recently enjoyed a surge in popularity because they have the strength of rules behind them.
There hasn't been a new Sisters model released in, what, 20 years now? While the Codex might get the occasional update, the models for the army are a) hard to find (being basically web-only) and b) expensive (barring eBay luck). The range, being 95% metal, is also difficult for most to work with (metal does not kitbash/mod as easily as plastic) and, in their current incarnation, there's a number of unit taxes that need to be paid to make an effective force. The current SOB codex is only solidly "OK". It's not great, it's not terrible, it doesn't have anything super- OP, it's got a few units that are fairly weak performers (or simply impossible in current meta to field effectively), but it's got little in the way of "wow! cool!" that the top-performing codices have, or even the upper-mid codices have. It's... fairly bland, really.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/13 23:13:03
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Backspacehacker wrote:So spoiler alert!
GW actual can and has made plastic sisters but no for retail. If you wanna see plastic sisters you need to entice GW to make them, meaning they need to move all of their old metal modes before they will even fathom the idea of making plastic ones.
So if you want better newer sisters, go buy more sisters
I bought Sisters to the point where buying more Sisters would only serve to show interest in the army. I have enough of their models to field any Sisters army I want to field, not as Allies to a larger force, but as the entirety of my force. Every one of those models was bought new in a store, not second-hand from a site like ebay. Most of my Sisters of Battle came directly from my local GW store or GW's own website.
I want to buy plastic Sisters so I can convert them with other GW kits into scaly/furry Sisters. When plastic Sisters come out, I will be replacing my whole army (not all at once of course, but fairly rapidly) with plastic ones. I have e-mailed GW about this twice, they told me to stay tuned because the Sisters haven't been forgotten. One of those e-mails was two years ago.
I have had dreams in my sleep where GW releases plastic Sisters and I just buy them without knowing a damned thing about what's in the new Codex, which I also bought. They are very happy dreams and I'm always sad when I wake up and find out they aren't true. More recently I've been realizing that it's just a dream, while I'm still dreaming.
How much more interest in the army could I possibly show?
Also, given what happened to the Dark Elves in Age of Sigmar, I think there's a very real worry that Sisters are going to be squatted VERY fast if GW advances the timeline.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/14 04:47:43
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Pouncey, it.may be time to admit...
They're just not that into you.
I feel your pain, I have enough 2nd edition IG to anchor a ship at sea but I know in my heart we will never see plastic Tallarn or Mordians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/14 05:13:29
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Pouncey, it.may be time to admit...
They're just not that into you.
I feel your pain, I have enough 2nd edition IG to anchor a ship at sea but I know in my heart we will never see plastic Tallarn or Mordians.
In 2006, Jes Goodwin told players that Sisters of Battle plastics were almost done, they were just working on some of the finnicky things making the robes not work well with multi-pose models.
Given that it's been a decade since then, if I end up getting third-party plastics that look kinda like Sisters, and I decide to play with them at the local GW, and anyone complains about using non- GW minis, feth em. GW had over a decade to make them after one of their model designers said they were almost done, they didn't. They had their chance to get sales of plastic ones from me.
I tried real hard to make that as polite as I could.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/14 05:26:43
Subject: No excuses left now - 40K SoB a real possibility?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yeah I'd defend you on THAT move.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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