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So I have started to get into warhammer and having a blast so I decided to make a small army of 450 points.
I am trying to make it fun but actually be decent and I like khorne so I have decided to make a khorne army, apologise if it's face palm-worthy terrible as this is my first time actually making a proper list.

HQ: Chaos Lord (Axe of Blind Fury, MoK) 110 points.
Made so A) My berserkers are troops and B) to be cheap.
I gave him an Axe of Blind Fury because it is only 35 points and gives him an extremely good melee usage for a cheaper price than most, I am pretty confident that this guy can hold his own in battle and on average I calculated he can kill about 3 terminators on an average turn which is great and from calculations can usually mop up a standard 5 terminator man squad with 5 berserkers in 1 turn and certainly in 2.

Troops: Khorne Beserkers x 5 105 points.
Keeping them to the minimum to be cheap and most of the upgrades aren't great anyway, I am using them because they do well in melee and are the main khorne unit.
Chaos Cultists x 12 (1 Heavy stubber and 11 auto guns) 64 points.
I am using chaos cultists as just an extra unit to fill in remaining points and hold objectives, they have auto guns and a heavy stubber to fill up points.

Elite: Chaos Terminators x 4 (4 Combi-Meltas) 146 points.
I am including these guys to take out vehicles which I have a big weakness to, pretty much they deepstrike and try to kill a vehicle, I am considering switching them for 2 mutilators because they have more survivability, have more than 1 chance to actually destroy the vehicle and after the destruction they can still be very useful.

I would love any help with my list and appreciate any help!

I don't own all the models in this list but they aren't a trouble to get, at the minute I have the dark vengeance set, a rhino, 7 khorne berserkers (One with plasma pistol) and am currently failing at converting a dark angels librarian to a chaos sorcerer (can't use it anyway because khorne but still).
Thanks and have a great day!

Ok so thinking through it I decided to change a few things.
So I got rid of terminators and got a Mutilator with MoK (60 points and a turn after deep striking it statistically would kill any vehicle except for stuff like a land raider but they are too expensive for 450 point anyway, it is so much cheaper than 2 obliterators and they have a bigger chance to not kill a tank after 2 turns.)
I also stripped the chaos cultists to their minimum so now 10 with CCW and pistol for 50 points.
I then added a rhino with a dirge caster and dozer blades for 45 points (Dirge caster is great for my lord and beserkers to get into combat without being shot and dozer blades are extremley usefull for only 5 points each).
I now have 130 points left, I am either thinking a vindicator with a siege shield or some bikers, I need some ideas here.
Thanks!

It's a small list at present, not really good person to give advise as I don't play, but from what I read in Batreps, it is all about manoeuvrability these days, grabbing objectives, more than sloggin it out and blowing stuff up, so I would go with the bikes, but there will be other better options, no idea the points cost but drop pods are very popular.

 Camkierhi wrote:
It's a small list at present, not really good person to give advise as I don't play, but from what I read in Batreps, it is all about manoeuvrability these days, grabbing objectives, more than sloggin it out and blowing stuff up, so I would go with the bikes, but there will be other better options, no idea the points cost but drop pods are very popular.

Thanks i'll look into bike usage, however just a quick note us chaos unfortunately don't have drop pods D:

Woah don't swap oblits for mutilators. Don't even think it. Mutilators can't Run. Anything you want to assault with then will just move away from you.

In a larger list I'd get the bikes, though in a smaller list I'd take ythe vindicator, simply because in smaller battles people tend to bring a big tank or two to take advantage of the small points. It's what I do. For example, in a 500 points game I'll bring a lot of cheap guardsmen/conscripts and then a leman Russ or maybe two if I get them for cheap points.

In that situation you need big guns to either rival their big guns or take advantage of the fact that they have no big guns. Or perhaps take out some units and add the bikers AND the vindicator.

And as Captyn Bob put, keep terminators or obliterators, not mutilators, trust me.

Though welcome to the 40k universe, though shame on you for forsaking the one and only true God, the Emperor himself. No but really, good luck!

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
In a larger list I'd get the bikes, though in a smaller list I'd take ythe vindicator, simply because in smaller battles people tend to bring a big tank or two to take advantage of the small points. It's what I do. For example, in a 500 points game I'll bring a lot of cheap guardsmen/conscripts and then a leman Russ or maybe two if I get them for cheap points.

In that situation you need big guns to either rival their big guns or take advantage of the fact that they have no big guns. Or perhaps take out some units and add the bikers AND the vindicator.

And as Captyn Bob put, keep terminators or obliterators, not mutilators, trust me.

Though welcome to the 40k universe, though shame on you for forsaking the one and only true God, the Emperor himself. No but really, good luck!

Oh ok, so if mutilators are bad would it be worth it to just replace it with a vindicator? with a siege shield tanks are having a hard time killing it and 10 strength is pretty good against tanks.
Or a thought I had today, get a bike squad with meltaguns?
Honestly I think I need another tank-killy idea because if mutilators are bad then I don't really want to use terminators or obliterators (terminators having one chance which is risky, 2 obliterators being quite a big point rsk because they have to kill something else aswell to make the point cost worth it).

Perhaps yes since it's such small points perhaps the bikes and vindicators are your best bet. Especially with the meltaguns. From there on I'd get the chaos lord and berserkers, and any other points spent on cultists if you can, though I'd wait for others to post to see what they have to say.

ShadowPug wrote:
So I have started to get into warhammer and having a blast so I decided to make a small army of 450 points.
I am trying to make it fun but actually be decent and I like khorne so I have decided to make a khorne army, apologise if it's face palm-worthy terrible as this is my first time actually making a proper list.

HQ: Chaos Lord (Axe of Blind Fury, MoK) 110 points.
Made so A) My berserkers are troops and B) to be cheap.
I gave him an Axe of Blind Fury because it is only 35 points and gives him an extremely good melee usage for a cheaper price than most, I am pretty confident that this guy can hold his own in battle and on average I calculated he can kill about 3 terminators on an average turn which is great and from calculations can usually mop up a standard 5 terminator man squad with 5 berserkers in 1 turn and certainly in 2.

Troops: Khorne Beserkers x 5 105 points.
Keeping them to the minimum to be cheap and most of the upgrades aren't great anyway, I am using them because they do well in melee and are the main khorne unit.
Chaos Cultists x 12 (1 Heavy stubber and 11 auto guns) 64 points.
I am using chaos cultists as just an extra unit to fill in remaining points and hold objectives, they have auto guns and a heavy stubber to fill up points.

Elite: Chaos Terminators x 4 (4 Combi-Meltas) 146 points.
I am including these guys to take out vehicles which I have a big weakness to, pretty much they deepstrike and try to kill a vehicle, I am considering switching them for 2 mutilators because they have more survivability, have more than 1 chance to actually destroy the vehicle and after the destruction they can still be very useful.

I would love any help with my list and appreciate any help!

I don't own all the models in this list but they aren't a trouble to get, at the minute I have the dark vengeance set, a rhino, 7 khorne berserkers (One with plasma pistol) and am currently failing at converting a dark angels librarian to a chaos sorcerer (can't use it anyway because khorne but still).
Thanks and have a great day!

I would drop the heavy stubber on the cultists and the terminators and replace them with some havocs with auto cannons great anti light tank and infantry and I don't thing that you will see any land raiders in 450 points

 Mrpinkpigy wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
So I have started to get into warhammer and having a blast so I decided to make a small army of 450 points.
I am trying to make it fun but actually be decent and I like khorne so I have decided to make a khorne army, apologise if it's face palm-worthy terrible as this is my first time actually making a proper list.

HQ: Chaos Lord (Axe of Blind Fury, MoK) 110 points.
Made so A) My berserkers are troops and B) to be cheap.
I gave him an Axe of Blind Fury because it is only 35 points and gives him an extremely good melee usage for a cheaper price than most, I am pretty confident that this guy can hold his own in battle and on average I calculated he can kill about 3 terminators on an average turn which is great and from calculations can usually mop up a standard 5 terminator man squad with 5 berserkers in 1 turn and certainly in 2.

Troops: Khorne Beserkers x 5 105 points.
Keeping them to the minimum to be cheap and most of the upgrades aren't great anyway, I am using them because they do well in melee and are the main khorne unit.
Chaos Cultists x 12 (1 Heavy stubber and 11 auto guns) 64 points.
I am using chaos cultists as just an extra unit to fill in remaining points and hold objectives, they have auto guns and a heavy stubber to fill up points.

Elite: Chaos Terminators x 4 (4 Combi-Meltas) 146 points.
I am including these guys to take out vehicles which I have a big weakness to, pretty much they deepstrike and try to kill a vehicle, I am considering switching them for 2 mutilators because they have more survivability, have more than 1 chance to actually destroy the vehicle and after the destruction they can still be very useful.

I would love any help with my list and appreciate any help!

I don't own all the models in this list but they aren't a trouble to get, at the minute I have the dark vengeance set, a rhino, 7 khorne berserkers (One with plasma pistol) and am currently failing at converting a dark angels librarian to a chaos sorcerer (can't use it anyway because khorne but still).
Thanks and have a great day!

I would drop the heavy stubber on the cultists and the terminators and replace them with some havocs with auto cannons great anti light tank and infantry and I don't thing that you will see any land raiders in 450 points

The only problem I see with auto cannon havocs is they need a 6 to glance which means it would be about 3 turns to destroy a simple rhino with concentrated firepower which just doesn't seem efficient.

However I have an idea of a raptor squad (pretty much assault marines) with 2 meltaguns and mark of khorne because the models would be the same cost as the beserkers, it fits quite well into a khorne themed army, it is good at destroying tanks and it is fast attack which is apparantly quite vital, so for example even if there are no enemy tanks they can still fit many roles as they are extremely flexible.