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2016/12/05 01:49:22
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Granted I've only been playing for just shy of two years but in that time I've played in a few tournaments - admittely less than twenty.
Still, I've never seen a first turn tabling. I've seen matches won by the end of the first turn, I've seen a grand total of one turn two tabling.
My question is Who has seen a turn one tabling in 7th ed and how'd it happen?
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2016/12/05 02:17:28
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Imp Guard Vs Eldar. Imp Guard, first turn - fires about 9001 small platters, killing every eldar model on the other side of the table. Cover and all.
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Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
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2016/12/05 02:35:03
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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CynosureEldar wrote:Imp Guard Vs Eldar. Imp Guard, first turn - fires about 9001 small platters, killing every eldar model on the other side of the table. Cover and all.
Damn, that's impressive.
Casual or tournament?
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2016/12/05 03:45:53
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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I did it to an elder player once, we were practicing for NOVA last year and he was experimenting with how much to deploy to mitigate my turn 1 GK shunt/deepstrike. One time he didn't deploy enough, and I got lucky with my shooting. He failed a morale check with the a jetbike squad and the game was done.
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2016/12/05 04:12:51
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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I have tabled someone on turn 1 once, a Space Marines player who kept most of his stuff is Drop Pods and pretty much only had a dreadnought, a Scout Squad and a Devastator Squad on the board. It was on the sixth edition codex but that was still plenty of power to kill off a single dreadnought and a few marines and sub-marines.
I have also been tabled turn 1 by some Iron Warriors in 30k that just decimated the Blood Angels I had on the board with artillery.
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2016/12/05 06:30:20
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I remember a 6th ed 1000pt game where I wiped out 800pts of chaos in the opening shooting phase. The only thing that saved him was the final rhino made a cover save. I got a lucky seize and the game was basically over before it began. I felt pretty bad, it was a slaughter.
Never seen a legitimate turn 1 tabling unless the other player did something weird like only deploying half his army.
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2016/12/05 08:00:44
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There is a famous story of a tournament. One player was playing an all-biker space marine army (white scars) against a Kroot Mercenary army back a couple editions ago. Marine player planned on keeping his entire army in reserve and pop out and overwhelm the Kroot at points of his choosing.
What did the kroot player do? Deployed his entire force across the enemy table edge, preventing him from entering the game. Over on turn one without a shot ever being fired.
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2016/12/05 08:08:28
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Huge Hierodule
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cuda1179 wrote:There is a famous story of a tournament. One player was playing an all-biker space marine army (white scars) against a Kroot Mercenary army back a couple editions ago. Marine player planned on keeping his entire army in reserve and pop out and overwhelm the Kroot at points of his choosing.
What did the kroot player do? Deployed his entire force across the enemy table edge, preventing him from entering the game. Over on turn one without a shot ever being fired.
I saw the video on youtube many years ago.
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2016/12/05 09:56:50
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Lord of the Fleet
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TheManWithNoPlan wrote:I have tabled someone on turn 1 once, a Space Marines player who kept most of his stuff is Drop Pods and pretty much only had a dreadnought, a Scout Squad and a Devastator Squad on the board. It was on the sixth edition codex but that was still plenty of power to kill off a single dreadnought and a few marines and sub-marines.
Tabling happens at end of game turn not player turn so he would have still gotten to bring in half his pods.
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2016/12/05 11:16:57
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Legendary Dogfighter
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1k pts tournament, 5 flyers in reserve, pre-bastion IG with CCS/master of the fleet in Chimera vs Khan biker strike, made the mistake of going first.
I don't do that any more >.<
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2016/12/05 12:38:44
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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Saw a game between a couple of friends, Eldar vs Necrons, just after the current Eldar codex came out. Half the Necrons were in reserve, Eldar Scattbikes went first and shot the Necrons of the board. Was only a 1000pt game though.
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2016/12/05 12:43:40
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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5th edition when the rule of not having any models on the board meant auto-losing was removed, my daemons in a tournament brought one opponent down to a single man on the board (he had two drop pods of guys to still come in, and that was it). He conceded turn one. Every single model destroyed? No. But game over turn one. He stuck around to see what would happen in turn two. That's when the rest of his stuff died. To a man.
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2016/12/05 13:52:44
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Blackclad Wayfarer
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5th ed Black Templars - Landraiders + Dreadnoughts. First turn lost against Imperial Guard Leafblower. Was defeated on turn 1
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2016/12/05 17:57:54
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Stevefamine wrote:5th ed Black Templars - Landraiders + Dreadnoughts. First turn lost against Imperial Guard Leafblower. Was defeated on turn 1
well the alpha strike was the point of leafblower builds. . .
The only time I ever came close was in 4th when playing a game against a Tau player. He had a character that required two leadership checks when it was killed, for everything susceptible to morale. He had it by itself, in the open, with everything within 6" of his board edge. One shot, and I asked him, 'Why?'
It was a tournament.
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2016/12/05 18:13:30
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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I've seen it, but it always involved a ton of stuff in reserve. I haven't seen a TRUE first turn tabling since 2nd. I saw it many times in 2nd.
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2016/12/05 18:18:03
Subject: Re:The First Turn Tabling
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Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I have watch 2 back to back games of tau vs knights and turn one tau glanced 2 knights off the table
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2016/12/05 19:20:45
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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Played a guy who's army was pure Legion of the Dammed. He forgot that his army couldn't even hit the board until turn 2.
We played it out anyway, but it was technically a turn one tabeling.
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2016/12/06 08:31:55
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike.
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I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go. |
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2016/12/06 08:45:06
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Dakka Wolf wrote:Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike. Those can, and often do decide a game on turn 1. Full tablings are just a lot rarer, and are normally the result of a mistake on one players part.
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2016/12/06 08:49:07
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Out of curiosity, how many infiltrating cultists would it take to completely cover a table such that there is nowhere for drop pods to land.?
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2016/12/06 09:17:23
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I like the way you think.
Spaced 2" apart with 1" bases, 23 would go across a 72" table. Leaving a couple of inches on each end.
Then if you're spacing the rows 2" apart, then you end up with about 15 rows.
However a pod is fairly big. I don't have one on hand to measure, but you could probably halve the number of rows, and the pods still wouldn't be able to fit in the 5" gap while staying 1" away from either side (pretty sure a pod is more than 3" across).
So lets say about 8 rows.
8 x 23 = 184
Very approximately. A more accurate number could be reached if someone spent more than 2 minutes on it I'm sure.
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2016/12/06 14:21:45
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Dakka Wolf wrote:Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike.
Look up Turn 2 Tablings. Turn 1 is much rarer, Turn 2, not so much.
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2016/12/06 14:35:06
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Saw a few 5thed leafblower tablings on turn one, but nothing since aside from "throwing all my stuff in reserves" malarkey.
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2016/12/06 18:06:23
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Dakka Wolf wrote:Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike.
They can cripple and make winning impossible, but tabling in one turn? That's hard in 7th because of model count.
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2016/12/06 18:08:44
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Blackclad Wayfarer
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Martel732 wrote: Dakka Wolf wrote:Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike.
They can cripple and make winning impossible, but tabling in one turn? That's hard in 7th because of model count.
It was more of a 4th/5th edition thing when model count wasn't nearly as high and vehicles were starting to be on the rise/spammed
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2016/12/06 18:10:54
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Stevefamine wrote:Martel732 wrote: Dakka Wolf wrote:Thought there'd be more responses considering the complaints about Tau, Eldar and Alpha Strike.
They can cripple and make winning impossible, but tabling in one turn? That's hard in 7th because of model count.
It was more of a 4th/5th edition thing when model count wasn't nearly as high and vehicles were starting to be on the rise/spammed
2nd was the worst by far. You could have TINY armies facing HUGE volumes of fire.
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2016/12/06 18:56:35
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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The Hammer of Witches
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I forget why I was deployed so vulnerably, but in 5th edition I suffered so many casualties that my necrons phased out in turn 1. I think I'd decided to run multiple monoliths and a c'tan, giving me very few actual necron models.
That's the only turn 1 tabling I had, although plenty of games where turn 1 pretty much decided the game.
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2016/12/06 19:20:29
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
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Seen a couple, but they're rare. The one that I remember playing myself was a 6th ed game against a Dark Angels player, I was bringing Space Wolves. (I think it was 1k?)
He deployed all of his Terminators in base-to-base with one another behind an Aegis line, apparently wanting to get a little bit of early cover. I was using a combo I was really fond of back then, where I took two squads of Long Fangs, one with 5 Plasmacannons, one with 5 Missile Launchers, and then I brought a couple Drop Pods, a Rune Priest, and I would bring in an Inquisitorial detachment and add Coteaz and/or an Inquisitor.
I got two sets of prescience and the power that gives ignores-cover, and successfully manifested ignores cover on my Plascannons and Prescience on both units. On top of this, my Drop Pod came in behind... Something, I can't recall what.
Anyways, my twin-linked, ignores cover, splitfire Plasmacannons killed both of his 5-man Terminator Squads, since he'd placed them in such a way that I could get 5 hits with each small blast. (One unit also had his HQ, so I got his Warlord too.) My Drop Pod and twin-linked Missile Launchers cleaned everything else up.
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2016/12/06 22:45:24
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Fixture of Dakka
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I've only ever seen one complete 1st turn tabling since 1987. In 7th, a Tyranid player placed only a Hive Tyrant and Harpy on the board against Dark Angels at 1500 and reserved everything else while going second. He was given ample advise on why this was a bad idea.
Outside of that, I've seen some first turn cripplings, but even that is rare.
Usually it's not a route until turn 2 goes just as badly.
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2016/12/08 00:05:38
Subject: The First Turn Tabling
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Nearly thirty years, that's probably something to be happy about.
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