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Hello!

I have recently started looking into a chaos space marine and daemons army (I've never actually played a game of warhammer before... I used to just like painting!). However I'm really confused as to what I can take as chaos.. I love the idea of nurgle chaos but at the same time I love the look of the tzeentch models. Is it possible to have both in the same army? Would I be able to add daemons into that somehow? Any help would be great!

You might get your answer here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/714505.page

 corpuschain wrote:
You might get your answer here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/714505.page

Hey thanks! I kind of understand but not really

'Yes, you can bring in other Legions as allies. The only thing you cannot do is ally in two forces of the same Legion'

So it would be possible to take thousand sons, horros, plague bearers and csm ? but not have them as allies?

You can take whatever formations and detachments you like in any combinations of factions and legions, you can even ally in Tyranids or loyalists (with some penalties, see rulebook) unless your event / group has some houserules on that. (But each detachment is only one faction).

With the exception of Allied detachment (the one with 1 HQ, 1-2 Troops, 0-1 everything else), which can't be the same faction as your Primary detachment (the one containing your Warlord).

Example
you can have a Combined arms detachment of Death guard and two Allied detachments, of Thouand sons and Daemons. But you can't then take allied detachment of Death guard.

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
You can take whatever formations and detachments you like in any combinations of factions and legions, you can even ally in Tyranids or loyalists (with some penalties, see rulebook) unless your event / group has some houserules on that. (But each detachment is only one faction).

With the exception of Allied detachment (the one with 1 HQ, 1-2 Troops, 0-1 everything else), which can't be the same faction as your Primary detachment (the one containing your Warlord).

Example
you can have a Combined arms detachment of Death guard and two Allied detachments, of Thouand sons and Daemons. But you can't then take allied detachment of Death guard.

Okay I think I'm starting to understand... Sorry I'm new to all the rules etc!!

So in my case, if I have:

1 unclean one, 1 chaos marines, plague bearers and joined it with a HQ from thousand sons, 1 rubric marines and 1 horrors this would be okay? :s

If you want to use nurgle marines, you either need a hq for them too (Chaos Lord) or you can take them in the same detachment with rubric marines, but then you can't use any Legion special rules except Black Legion.

I'm not sure if this has been covered yet but generally with 'Allies' forces made of different models who support the same ideology will team up. The four chaos gods have fierce rivalries but they will team up

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
If you want to use nurgle marines, you either need a hq for them too (Chaos Lord) or you can take them in the same detachment with rubric marines, but then you can't use any Legion special rules except Black Legion.

Ok I appreciate the help. Do you mind doing like a really small mock army? So that I can see what you mean.. I'm looking up rules and things as we speak but it's hard to understand

Survivor_Chris wrote:

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
You can take whatever formations and detachments you like in any combinations of factions and legions, you can even ally in Tyranids or loyalists (with some penalties, see rulebook) unless your event / group has some houserules on that. (But each detachment is only one faction).

With the exception of Allied detachment (the one with 1 HQ, 1-2 Troops, 0-1 everything else), which can't be the same faction as your Primary detachment (the one containing your Warlord).

Example
you can have a Combined arms detachment of Death guard and two Allied detachments, of Thouand sons and Daemons. But you can't then take allied detachment of Death guard.

Okay I think I'm starting to understand... Sorry I'm new to all the rules etc!!

So in my case, if I have:

1 unclean one, 1 chaos marines, plague bearers and joined it with a HQ from thousand sons, 1 rubric marines and 1 horrors this would be okay? :s

You can´t take an allied detachment of thousand sons as they are the same faction of CSM. Traitor leigons don´t have the same option as SM chapters do which allows you to have a allied detachment with a different chapter tactics.

Survivor_Chris wrote:

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
If you want to use nurgle marines, you either need a hq for them too (Chaos Lord) or you can take them in the same detachment with rubric marines, but then you can't use any Legion special rules except Black Legion.

Ok I appreciate the help. Do you mind doing like a really small mock army? So that I can see what you mean.. I'm looking up rules and things as we speak but it's hard to understand

Something like that
Black Legion + Daemons


or
Thousand sons + Death guard + Daemons


So you can group exact same models in different detachments in different ways getting various bonuses

Survivor_Chris wrote:

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
If you want to use nurgle marines, you either need a hq for them too (Chaos Lord) or you can take them in the same detachment with rubric marines, but then you can't use any Legion special rules except Black Legion.

Ok I appreciate the help. Do you mind doing like a really small mock army? So that I can see what you mean.. I'm looking up rules and things as we speak but it's hard to understand

Do you have a gaming club or friends that are nearby that can sit down with you and point out the possibilities as you ask direct questions. traitor legions seem to be one of the more confusing ones now even though they can be considered as chaos chapter tactics.

 rawne2510 wrote:

Survivor_Chris wrote:

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
If you want to use nurgle marines, you either need a hq for them too (Chaos Lord) or you can take them in the same detachment with rubric marines, but then you can't use any Legion special rules except Black Legion.

Ok I appreciate the help. Do you mind doing like a really small mock army? So that I can see what you mean.. I'm looking up rules and things as we speak but it's hard to understand

Do you have a gaming club or friends that are nearby that can sit down with you and point out the possibilities as you ask direct questions. traitor legions seem to be one of the more confusing ones now even though they can be considered as chaos chapter tactics.

I have a local GW store but have yet to actually go in... I know next to nothing about rules and I'm just looking at models and lore to figure out which armies I would like to try a go at collecting, which happen to be death guard, daemons and thousand sons! So I'm not really sure what to be doing!

I suggest popping in. The GW guys are awesome in store usually. Where in the UK do you live?

 rawne2510 wrote:
I suggest popping in. The GW guys are awesome in store usually. Where in the UK do you live?

Place called Warwick, Yeah I think I need to because although there's a lot of stuff online.. most of it makes no sense!

Hmm never been to any of the stores around there. I live near cambridge and know the guys in Newbury, and most of the stores in south wales.

Give your local store a ring up and see when the best time is to pop in for a 30 min sit down to talk through the options. If there are a few local vets in there as well they can usually help quiet a lot.

Many a day I have sat down and talked through with the younger people and their parents how it works. Giving a small understanding to the parents is vital because they are the first ones to be asked at night.

Survivor_Chris wrote:
Hello!

I have recently started looking into a chaos space marine and daemons army (I've never actually played a game of warhammer before... I used to just like painting!). However I'm really confused as to what I can take as chaos.. I love the idea of nurgle chaos but at the same time I love the look of the tzeentch models. Is it possible to have both in the same army? Would I be able to add daemons into that somehow? Any help would be great!

Are you familiar with how real life armies structure their units? If you think about it in that sense, it makes a lot more sense.

Imagine, if you will, Chaos is the British Military as a whole. Chaos Space Marines are the British Army, and Chaos Daemons are the Royal Marines. They have their own units, their own structures, their own equipment. They work together toward the same goal. However, Marine can never be a part of an Army unit (A CSM cant belong to a Daemon formation).

Within the British Army, you have different units (the Legons for Warhammer). Now, once again, a member of the 7th Armoured Division cant be a member of the 11th Armoured Division (Death Guard cant also be Word Bearers). They have to have their own formations (Combined Arms Detachment, Chaos Warband, etc) Now, within the 11th Armouerd and 7th Armoured, you will most likely have the same basic jobs. Some will be infantry, mechanics, cooks (Chaos Space Marines, Cultists, Sorcerors) and even the same equipment like tanks, helicopters (Forgefiends, Heldrakes). They're all part of the same overall army, but they ave their own specific units.

TL;DR each subfaction of Chaos may have the same models, but each different subfaction must have a different governing detachment. You may mix and match formations, assuming they're independent formations.

 Dark_Apostle_Spartachris wrote:

Survivor_Chris wrote:
Hello!

I have recently started looking into a chaos space marine and daemons army (I've never actually played a game of warhammer before... I used to just like painting!). However I'm really confused as to what I can take as chaos.. I love the idea of nurgle chaos but at the same time I love the look of the tzeentch models. Is it possible to have both in the same army? Would I be able to add daemons into that somehow? Any help would be great!

Are you familiar with how real life armies structure their units? If you think about it in that sense, it makes a lot more sense.

Imagine, if you will, Chaos is the British Military as a whole. Chaos Space Marines are the British Army, and Chaos Daemons are the Royal Marines. They have their own units, their own structures, their own equipment. They work together toward the same goal. However, Marine can never be a part of an Army unit (A CSM cant belong to a Daemon formation).

Within the British Army, you have different units (the Legons for Warhammer). Now, once again, a member of the 7th Armoured Division cant be a member of the 11th Armoured Division (Death Guard cant also be Word Bearers). They have to have their own formations (Combined Arms Detachment, Chaos Warband, etc) Now, within the 11th Armouerd and 7th Armoured, you will most likely have the same basic jobs. Some will be infantry, mechanics, cooks (Chaos Space Marines, Cultists, Sorcerors) and even the same equipment like tanks, helicopters (Forgefiends, Heldrakes). They're all part of the same overall army, but they ave their own specific units.

TL;DR each subfaction of Chaos may have the same models, but each different subfaction must have a different governing detachment. You may mix and match formations, assuming they're independent formations.

Riiiight yes I guess that makes sense!

So looking at the list someone posted on here earlier:

Allied detachment: Thousand sons (grants +1 invul under blessings, but can only use Tzeentch units)
HQ1 Chaos Sorcerer with mark of Tzeentch
T1 5 Rubrics

Allied detachment: Death guard (death guard bonuses like FnP + Relentless, but only Nurgle units)
HQ1 Typhus
T1 5 CSM mark of Nurgle

Combined arms detachment: Chaos Daemons
HQ1 Great Unclean One [Warlord]
T1 10 Plaguebearers
T2 10 Horrors

That is a completely viable list that would net me my favourite models?

Survivor_Chris wrote:
Riiiight yes I guess that makes sense!

So looking at the list someone posted on here earlier:

Allied detachment: Thousand sons (grants +1 invul under blessings, but can only use Tzeentch units)
HQ1 Chaos Sorcerer with mark of Tzeentch
T1 5 Rubrics

Allied detachment: Death guard (death guard bonuses like FnP + Relentless, but only Nurgle units)
HQ1 Typhus
T1 5 CSM mark of Nurgle

Combined arms detachment: Chaos Daemons
HQ1 Great Unclean One [Warlord]
T1 10 Plaguebearers
T2 10 Horrors

That is a completely viable list that would net me my favourite models?

Yes. Now, remember, Allied Detachments must have a different faction than the CAD. So long as you keep the CAD Daemons this is legal!

yeah that list is legal.

In addition because Typhus is a nurgle lord you could actually call your nurgle CSM "Plague Marines" (costs more points but you get to take 2 special weapons with 5 marines and plague knives)