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Now we just have to wait to see if the rules for the Ynnead Avatar is Magnus levels of powerful, or Khaine levels of weak-sauce.
I fear it will be the later, at least in statline similarities. Hopefully it will have some cool Psychic powers to make it worth taking. Eldar Belakor anyone?

Alternative weapons for the avatar. The minis are on display at warhammer world.

Now that I really like - follows the flow of soul stuff really nicely,

 Galef wrote:
Now we just have to wait to see if the rules for the Ynnead Avatar is Magnus levels of powerful, or Khaine levels of weak-sauce.
I fear it will be the later, at least in statline similarities. Hopefully it will have some cool Psychic powers to make it worth taking. Eldar Belakor anyone?

Nah... Magnus power at half the price.

Cool minis.
How is this end-times story going to end?

 Galef wrote:
Now we just have to wait to see if the rules for the Ynnead Avatar is Magnus levels of powerful, or Khaine levels of weak-sauce.
I fear it will be the later, at least in statline similarities. Hopefully it will have some cool Psychic powers to make it worth taking. Eldar Belakor anyone?

What I want is a proper Eldar hero. The glass cannon to end all glass cannons. Here's what I'm hoping:

1. Fragile. T3. If you want a rock-solid tank of a character, I hear Cawl is pretty tough. Much though people lament it, that's just not what Eldar are about (aside from Covens and Wraith units, which should be a minority).

2. Slippery as all f*ck. Their main protection should be from being really, really hard to pin down. Veil of Tears set the precedent for what Eldar survivability should be like. Wilt to bolter fire, but devilishly difficult to bring those bolters to bare.

3. Dead killy and brutally fast. Like a blitzing Solitaire on Bath Salts.

If you want your head honcho to plod slowly up the battlefield, tanking shots left-right-and-centre and then hit the opponent in the face with a hammer, go play something that's got power armour.

If you want a head honcho that loiters around somewhere looking non-threatening...then your opponent blinks and the squad he thought was safe on the other side of the table has been deleted and suddenly his priceless Knight isn't looking so safe anymore then welcome home! Eldar is exactly where you want to be

Can...... Can you please write the next craftworlds codex? I want the army you're envisioning. I want that. Give it to me.

Just to add my two cents - I really like the sculpts and that those are Ynnead related and not simply "new Vect, Malys, Iyanna, Yriel" that were speculated. But I realy, realy hate this colour palette GW used on them. It is all over the place and combined with such elaborate sculpts it looks over the top as hell.

So I made a quick PS "repaint" to something more calm and IMHO those models are all stunning (Except for not-Malys, which I still have problems picturing on 40K battlefield and not in steampunk-orient skirmish game like Wolsung or Malifaux), it is just painting that is hideous .

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

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 Galef wrote:
Now we just have to wait to see if the rules for the Ynnead Avatar is Magnus levels of powerful, or Khaine levels of weak-sauce.
I fear it will be the later, at least in statline similarities. Hopefully it will have some cool Psychic powers to make it worth taking. Eldar Belakor anyone?

What I want is a proper Eldar hero. The glass cannon to end all glass cannons. Here's what I'm hoping:

1. Fragile. T3. If you want a rock-solid tank of a character, I hear Cawl is pretty tough. Much though people lament it, that's just not what Eldar are about (aside from Covens and Wraith units, which should be a minority).

2. Slippery as all f*ck. Their main protection should be from being really, really hard to pin down. Veil of Tears set the precedent for what Eldar survivability should be like. Wilt to bolter fire, but devilishly difficult to bring those bolters to bare.

3. Dead killy and brutally fast. Like a blitzing Solitaire on Bath Salts.

If you want your head honcho to plod slowly up the battlefield, tanking shots left-right-and-centre and then hit the opponent in the face with a hammer, go play something that's got power armour.

If you want a head honcho that loiters around somewhere looking non-threatening...then your opponent blinks and the squad he thought was safe on the other side of the table has been deleted and suddenly his priceless Knight isn't looking so safe anymore then welcome home! Eldar is exactly where you want to be

Those double knives look nice.

Anyone notice how many rumour mongers where absolutely wrong on this set of minis. Did anyone even guess the right minis?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
See, the shape of the corset has my intrigued, precisely because it seems a little odd.

If it is indeed Lady Malys, or her meat suit, could the corset actually be some kind of containment system type thing for whatever she put in her chest?

It looks rather similar to Runic Armour, a psychicly powered force field.

gungo wrote:
Anyone notice how many rumour mongers where absolutely wrong on this set of minis. Did anyone even guess the right minis?

We still don't know the identities of these minis, only their titles are known. Some 'rumour mongers' may still be correct

 Imateria wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
See, the shape of the corset has my intrigued, precisely because it seems a little odd.

If it is indeed Lady Malys, or her meat suit, could the corset actually be some kind of containment system type thing for whatever she put in her chest?

It looks rather similar to Runic Armour, a psychicly powered force field.

I think that further supports that she is Malys. Malys has always had a sort of precognition about her, that is how she was able to stay a step ahead of Vect in so many situations.
I think the crystal heart she put into herself has awoken her latent psychic powers, thus requiring her to use a style of runic armour

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 Galef wrote:

gungo wrote:
Anyone notice how many rumour mongers where absolutely wrong on this set of minis. Did anyone even guess the right minis?

We still don't know the identities of these minis, only their titles are known. Some 'rumour mongers' may still be correct

I think that no matter how things shake out, it's worth noting the only "rumormongers" making claims were places like BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit.

And, as usual, they were so wrong it's hilarious.

So if the Avatar has weapon options, might 'not-Yriel' have a spear option? Seems odd that he has an empty right hand. I think GW is trying to 'surprise' us.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Now we just have to wait to see if the rules for the Ynnead Avatar is Magnus levels of powerful, or Khaine levels of weak-sauce.
I fear it will be the later, at least in statline similarities. Hopefully it will have some cool Psychic powers to make it worth taking. Eldar Belakor anyone?

What I want is a proper Eldar hero. The glass cannon to end all glass cannons. Here's what I'm hoping:

1. Fragile. T3. If you want a rock-solid tank of a character, I hear Cawl is pretty tough. Much though people lament it, that's just not what Eldar are about (aside from Covens and Wraith units, which should be a minority).

2. Slippery as all f*ck. Their main protection should be from being really, really hard to pin down. Veil of Tears set the precedent for what Eldar survivability should be like. Wilt to bolter fire, but devilishly difficult to bring those bolters to bare.

3. Dead killy and brutally fast. Like a blitzing Solitaire on Bath Salts.

If you want your head honcho to plod slowly up the battlefield, tanking shots left-right-and-centre and then hit the opponent in the face with a hammer, go play something that's got power armour.

If you want a head honcho that loiters around somewhere looking non-threatening...then your opponent blinks and the squad he thought was safe on the other side of the table has been deleted and suddenly his priceless Knight isn't looking so safe anymore then welcome home! Eldar is exactly where you want to be

While I agree that it shouldn't be super tanky, having him too fragile will end up being a distinct problem in game. T5 sounds about right, it is the Avatar of a new god after all, and totally agree with you on it moving like the Solitaire.

Would be interesting if it could incorporate some aspects of all 3 Eldar factions.

 Galef wrote:
So if the Avatar has weapon options, might 'not-Yriel' have a spear option? Seems odd that he has an empty right hand. I think GW is trying to 'surprise' us.

I think if that were the case, the "Sword of Ynnead" might have been called something a bit more ambiguous such as the "Hand of Ynnead" or the "Blade of Ynnead".

Plus we would likely have seen it from Warhammer World. They didn't have to put out the double dagger Avatar now, but they did.

Has anyone else yet noticed she's barefoot?

 Stormonu wrote:
Has anyone else yet noticed she's barefoot?

Yes. Not only that, the skin-tight suit is held by a finger ring. Everything is so awesome about her!

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Has anyone else yet noticed she's barefoot?

Yes. Not only that, the skin-tight suit is held by a finger ring. Everything is so awesome about her!

The more I look at her, the more I need multiples. One just to paint, one to convert (at least).

Bojazz wrote:
Can...... Can you please write the next craftworlds codex? I want the army you're envisioning. I want that. Give it to me.

Haha! Thanks dude I'd do it for free if they'd let me! The Dark Eldar one too

I'm a firm believer that eldar survivability should be about not getting shot in the first place. They should melt to pretty much any half-decent firepower, but be utterly infuriating to actually get a shot off against. Run-and-charge Harlequins with Veil of Tears, Battle Focus and full-jetpack Corsairs are what I'd aim for

Make them pretty much all T3 with sub-par armour saves, and make nearly all of their guns short-range so that it forces you to dance on the very brink of destruction, only to slip away through your own cunning and guile, come down like a ton of bricks of the enemy leaves an opening, or get cut down like tissue-paper if your opponent out-maneuvers you

 Imateria wrote:

While I agree that it shouldn't be super tanky, having him too fragile will end up being a distinct problem in game. T5 sounds about right, it is the Avatar of a new god after all, and totally agree with you on it moving like the Solitaire.

Would be interesting if it could incorporate some aspects of all 3 Eldar factions.

Very interesting idea about incorporating aspects of all 3 factions. I like that what could it be?

Off the top of my head I'd have it being a ML3 psyker with access to Runes of Fate and Phantasmancy. Missing a DEldar aspect to that though, given that they're psychically stunted. However, not-Malys being a psyker (I might be reaching on that one, but Gyrinx's are traditionally psykers' familiars) opens the options up for a secret, twisted Dark Eldar psychic discipline. However, then you'd run into the problem of having redundancy within the Triumvirate if not-Malys is supposed to be a psyker too. Unless you do something really special where powers in the DEldar discipline are designed to work in concert with each other...

What other options could it be? Giving it Phantasmancy for access to Veil of Tears would fit perfectly with the 'slippery' idea. How would PfP fit in? Fearless would likely be useless, but FnP bonuses could be very useful if it's already got an innate FnP save...


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 Mymearan wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Has anyone else yet noticed she's barefoot?

Yes. Not only that, the skin-tight suit is held by a finger ring. Everything is so awesome about her!

The more I look at her, the more I need multiples. One just to paint, one to convert (at least).

Yeah I love those little touches! The bare feet is very Lelith, very Dark Eldar

Cannot wait to paint these. I'm going to paint her bustle-thing as if it's made of flayed skin like the rest of my Kabalites, and the Avatar chappy in really low-contrast bone-white with red accents.

It's going to be so damn awesome!

They kind of feel pre-fall. Neither Dark-Eldar or current regular Eldar

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Very interesting idea about incorporating aspects of all 3 factions. I like that what could it be?

Off the top of my head I'd have it being a ML3 psyker with access to Runes of Fate and Phantasmancy. Missing a DEldar aspect to that though, given that they're psychically stunted. However, not-Malys being a psyker (I might be reaching on that one, but Gyrinx's are traditionally psykers' familiars) opens the options up for a secret, twisted Dark Eldar psychic discipline. However, then you'd run into the problem of having redundancy within the Triumvirate if not-Malys is supposed to be a psyker too. Unless you do something really special where powers in the DEldar discipline are designed to work in concert with each other...

What other options could it be? Giving it Phantasmancy for access to Veil of Tears would fit perfectly with the 'slippery' idea. How would PfP fit in? Fearless would likely be useless, but FnP bonuses could be very useful if it's already got an innate FnP save...

Since they are all about the god of death, perhaps they could consume souls, and DE psychic powers could actually be them unleashing the stored up souls?

Colonel Cabbage wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:


Very interesting idea about incorporating aspects of all 3 factions. I like that what could it be?

Off the top of my head I'd have it being a ML3 psyker with access to Runes of Fate and Phantasmancy. Missing a DEldar aspect to that though, given that they're psychically stunted. However, not-Malys being a psyker (I might be reaching on that one, but Gyrinx's are traditionally psykers' familiars) opens the options up for a secret, twisted Dark Eldar psychic discipline. However, then you'd run into the problem of having redundancy within the Triumvirate if not-Malys is supposed to be a psyker too. Unless you do something really special where powers in the DEldar discipline are designed to work in concert with each other...

What other options could it be? Giving it Phantasmancy for access to Veil of Tears would fit perfectly with the 'slippery' idea. How would PfP fit in? Fearless would likely be useless, but FnP bonuses could be very useful if it's already got an innate FnP save...

Since they are all about the god of death, perhaps they could consume souls, and DE psychic powers could actually be them unleashing the stored up souls?

Ooh now that's cool like a sort of super-soul trap. I'd be very pleased with that. Especially if it's something super-creepy and ever-so-slightly Slaaneshi like the avatar physically consumes souls that it captures...

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
They kind of feel pre-fall. Neither Dark-Eldar or current regular Eldar

Agreed on the pre-fall front. Definitely like that design direction

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Bojazz wrote:
Can...... Can you please write the next craftworlds codex? I want the army you're envisioning. I want that. Give it to me.

Haha! Thanks dude I'd do it for free if they'd let me! The Dark Eldar one too

I'm a firm believer that eldar survivability should be about not getting shot in the first place. They should melt to pretty much any half-decent firepower, but be utterly infuriating to actually get a shot off against. Run-and-charge Harlequins with Veil of Tears, Battle Focus and full-jetpack Corsairs are what I'd aim for

Make them pretty much all T3 with sub-par armour saves, and make nearly all of their guns short-range so that it forces you to dance on the very brink of destruction, only to slip away through your own cunning and guile, come down like a ton of bricks of the enemy leaves an opening, or get cut down like tissue-paper if your opponent out-maneuvers you

 Imateria wrote:

While I agree that it shouldn't be super tanky, having him too fragile will end up being a distinct problem in game. T5 sounds about right, it is the Avatar of a new god after all, and totally agree with you on it moving like the Solitaire.

Would be interesting if it could incorporate some aspects of all 3 Eldar factions.

Very interesting idea about incorporating aspects of all 3 factions. I like that what could it be?

Off the top of my head I'd have it being a ML3 psyker with access to Runes of Fate and Phantasmancy. Missing a DEldar aspect to that though, given that they're psychically stunted. However, not-Malys being a psyker (I might be reaching on that one, but Gyrinx's are traditionally psykers' familiars) opens the options up for a secret, twisted Dark Eldar psychic discipline. However, then you'd run into the problem of having redundancy within the Triumvirate if not-Malys is supposed to be a psyker too. Unless you do something really special where powers in the DEldar discipline are designed to work in concert with each other...

What other options could it be? Giving it Phantasmancy for access to Veil of Tears would fit perfectly with the 'slippery' idea. How would PfP fit in? Fearless would likely be useless, but FnP bonuses could be very useful if it's already got an innate FnP save...

If it really is Lady Malys, I don't think she should have Psychic powers per-se, but has her "Culexus of the Dark Eldar" abilities again whilst the Gyrinx boost nearby friendly Psychers. PfP kind of works for the God of Death, but how about reversing it so that the more models you loose the stronger the Avatar gets?

One thing the Dark Eldar are good at is close combat. Wych Cults, Covens, Incubi, Mandrakes all point to that so having stats that let it go first and hit like a freight train, but not really being able to take too much damage back would fit in as well, unfortunately thats also a bit of a Harlequin trait as well.

I think it's funny how 40K goes years without much plot advancement and then seemingly overnight $h!+ is going down everywhere at once. And top that all off with some amazing model releases and it kinda makes me wish they would slow down. My wallet can't take it and I won't have time to paint it all at once.
I mean, I have been playing Eldar & Daemons for years and never had to choose between them before. But February has releases for both. Amazing LoC & new horrors, or Eldar characters and another book for their rules.
Not fair GWs, not fair!

 Imateria wrote:

If it really is Lady Malys, I don't think she should have Psychic powers per-se, but has her "Culexus of the Dark Eldar" abilities again whilst the Gyrinx boost nearby friendly Psychers. PfP kind of works for the God of Death, but how about reversing it so that the more models you loose the stronger the Avatar gets?

One thing the Dark Eldar are good at is close combat. Wych Cults, Covens, Incubi, Mandrakes all point to that so having stats that let it go first and hit like a freight train, but not really being able to take too much damage back would fit in as well, unfortunately thats also a bit of a Harlequin trait as well.

That is genius. Every Aeldari death empowers the Avatar of....well, Aeldari death

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Thats one of the reasons why I don't want it to be Malys, she is a psychic blank, a null zone, makes little sense to have a psychic familiar. Besides, I have said it before, the only reason people are speculating it as her is the fan. As if she is the only model ever allowed one. We will see soon enough either way.


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Well what would you expect? I mean, for the plot to advance it needs to advance for everyone, not just Abby and the imperium.

If it really is Lady Malys, I don't think she should have Psychic powers per-se, but has her "Culexus of the Dark Eldar" abilities again whilst the Gyrinx boost nearby friendly Psychers. PfP kind of works for the God of Death, but how about reversing it so that the more models you loose the stronger the Avatar gets?

Might be interesting /work if the male suited elder was anti-psyker. Having the Gyrinx that close and part of the model would be odd if she was a Pariah type.

One thing the Dark Eldar are good at is close combat. Wych Cults, Covens, Incubi, Mandrakes all point to that so having stats that let it go first and hit like a freight train, but not really being able to take too much damage back would fit in as well, unfortunately thats also a bit of a Harlequin trait as well.

Hahahahah - If only - now the Dark Eldar should be good in close combat like in every piece of fluff ever but the table top stats for the majority of their CC models are laughable - especially when Guardians became WS4. Yeah right - a Guardian has the same WS as a elite Wych that have survived decades in the arenas.

But then Codex: Powergamer - Opps Sorry I meant Eldar.

Interesting that the Avatar has weapon options - maybe "not Malys" with have a just combat suit option - that would be cool.

Always hated the idea that a god could be defeated so easily... It's a god for a reason, not some new ghost/ghast. If they make it slightly on the glass cannon side, it should be damned near impossible to permanently remove. Maybe even after it dies, it can be redeployed again so that it literally cannot be killed, only temporarily defeated

I found an alternate version of the Yncarne