Everliving and sweeping advance

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**Nemesor Dave**

nosferatu1001 wrote:"They are synonymous and mean exactly the same thing."

Good job the dictionary disagrees with you. Or have you failed to read the posts which show the definition only works one way - destroy does not have the definition of wiped out?

You can disagree, but you are going against slightly more believable sources than your opinion.

Also - the letter from GW is not "proof" of anything other than someones ability to type letters into a forum post. It is why they are not allowed in YMDC, because they cannot be verified.

". We're not here just to take your word for it. Where do you get your personal definition from that is different from common English use? Where is reason behind your argument? "

Good job I posted dictionary definitions, form multiple sources, backed up by Copper (although he doesnt realise it) showing that it is one sided - and that is the reason behind THIS portion of the argument

The rest of peoples arguments now seems to boil down to timing - that SA "resolves" and then AFTER that EL is rollled, allowing you to rescue the unit

I pointed out that WBB, whcih resolved at an even LATER stage than EL, did not work against Sweeping Advance. Something about that should tell you the chances of EL doing something different...

http://thesaurus.com/browse/destroy

Here you go. Notice at the top of the page it says Synonyms. Notice under the main entry for Destroy, third from the last item: "wipe out".

Destroy is synonymous with Wipe out.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/wipe+out

Wipe out is synonymous with Destroy.

Premiss 1 "wiped out" in British, American, and World English mean the same thing as destroyed.

Premiss 2 "wiped out" is never redefined in the rules to have any meaning other than "destroyed".

Conclusion: In the rules "wiped out" and "destroyed" are the same.

**foolishmortal**

[quote=nosferatu1001Also - the letter from GW is not "proof" of anything other than someones ability to type letters into a forum post. It is why they are not allowed in YMDC, because they cannot be verified.

**Happyjew**

Now, I've noticed a tendency for this forum to get rather silly. Now I do my best to keep things moving along, but I'm not having things getting silly. Those two last debates I did got very silly indeed, and that last one about the bed was even sillier. Now, nobody likes a good laugh more than I do...except perhaps my wife and some of her friends...oh yes and Captain Johnston. Come to think of it most people likes a good laugh more than I do. But that's beside the point. Now, let's have a good clean healthy outdoor debate. Get some air into your lungs. Ten, nine, eight and all that.

**Lordhat**

http://thesaurus.com wrote:
Main Entry: wipe out [wahyp-out] Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: destroy; get rid of
Synonyms: X-out, abate, abolish, annihilate, black out, blot out, cancel, decimate, delete, efface, eliminate, eradicate, erase, expunge, exterminate, extinguish, extirpate, kill, massacre, obliterate, remove, root out, slaughter, slay, uproot
Antonyms: build, create

Main Entry: destroy [dih-stroi]Show IPA
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: demolish, devastate
Synonyms: abort, annihilate, annul, axe, blot out, break down, butcher, consume, cream*, crush, damage, deface, desolate, despoil, dismantle, dispatch, end, eradicate, erase, exterminate, extinguish, extirpate, gut, impair, kill, lay waste, level, liquidate, maim, mar, maraud, mutilate, nuke, nullify, overturn, quash, quell, ravage, ravish, raze, ruin, sabotage, shatter, slay, smash, snuff out, spoliate, stamp out, suppress, swallow up, tear down, torpedo, total, trash*, vaporize, waste, wax, wipe out, wreck, zap
Antonyms: build, construct, create, improve, repair, restore

http://www.merriam-webster.com wrote:
wipe out verb

to destroy all traces of <he didn't get his gambling under control until he had already wiped out his entire life savings>
Synonyms abolish, black out, blot out, cancel, clean (up), efface, eradicate, erase, expunge, exterminate, extirpate, liquidate, obliterate, root (out), rub out, snuff (out), stamp (out), sweep (away), wipe out
Related Words decimate, demolish, destroy, devastate, ravage; dismantle, flatten, mow (down), raze, tear down; ruin, total, waste, wreck; blast, blow up, dash, dynamite, smash; atomize, consume, devour, dissolve, fragment, powder, pulverize, shatter, splinter; doom, finish, kill, kill off, terminate, zap; cancel, cut, discard, ditch, eject, excise, expel, jettison, oust, throw out
Near Antonyms conserve, preserve, protect, save; build, construct, create, fabricate, fashion, forge, form, frame, make, manufacture, shape; fix, mend, patch, rebuild, recondition, reconstruct, renew, renovate, repair, restore, revamp

destroy verb

1
to bring to a complete end the physical soundness, existence, or usefulness of <they practically destroyed the safe in order to get at the money inside> <their poor scores on the final exam destroyed any chance they might have had to pass the course>
Synonyms annihilate, cream, decimate, demolish, desolate, devastate, do in, extinguish, nuke, pull down, pulverize, raze, rub out, ruin, shatter, smash, tear down, total, vaporize, waste, wrack, wreck
Related Words beat, best, clobber, conquer, crush, defeat, drub, lick, master, overbear, overcome, overmatch, prevail (over), rout, scotch, skunk, subdue, surmount, thrash, trim, triumph (over), trounce, wallop, whip, win (against); blast, blow up, break, cripple, damage, deface, deteriorate, disfigure, disintegrate, dissolve, dynamite, harm, impair, injure, mangle, mar, mutilate, spoil, vitiate; erode, scour, sweep (away), wash out, wear (away); dilapidate, disassemble, dismantle, gut, take down, unbuild, undo, unmake; blot out, efface, eradicate, expunge, exterminate, extirpate, liquidate, obliterate, remove, root (out), snuff (out), stamp (out), wipe out; despoil, havoc, loot, pillage, plunder, ravage, sack, trample, trash, vandalize; assassinate, butcher, cut down, dispatch, execute, fell, kill, kill off, massacre, mow (down), murder, slaughter, slay, take out, zap
Near Antonyms doctor, fix, mend, patch, recondition, repair, revamp; create, invent; assemble, fabricate, fashion, forge, form, frame, make, manufacture, mold, produce, shape; bring about, constitute, establish, father, found, institute, organize; conserve, preserve, protect, save; rebuild, reconstruct, remodel, renovate, restore
Antonyms build, construct, erect, put up, raise, rear, set up
2
to bring destruction to (something) through violent action <wildfires destroyed thousands of acres in forests across the state>
Synonyms destroy, devastate, ruin, scourge
Related Words despoil, foray, harry, loot, maraud, pillage, plunder, sack, strip; annihilate, desolate, eradicate, expunge, extinguish, extirpate, nuke, obliterate, rub out, shatter, smash, total, vaporize, waste, wipe out, wrack, wreck; decimate, mow; demolish, raze; crush, overpower, overrun, overthrow, overwhelm
Near Antonyms recondition, recover, redeem, rehabilitate, restore; fix, mend, patch, repair, revamp
3
to deprive of life <regrettably, the veterinarian was forced to destroy the injured horse>
Synonyms carry off, claim, croak [slang], destroy, dispatch, do in, fell, slay, take
Related Words bump off, butcher, cut down, finish, get, ice [slang], knock off, murder, neutralize, off [slang], put away, rub out, scrag, snuff, take out, waste, whack [slang]; annihilate, blot out, decimate, kill off, massacre, mow, slaughter, smite; assassinate, execute, martyr, terminate; euthanize (also euthanatize), put down; suicide
Near Antonyms raise, restore, resurrect, resuscitate, revive; nurture
Antonyms animate

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/thesaurus/ wrote:
wipe

verb
To remove or invalidate by or as if by running a line through or wiping clean. Also used with out: annul, blot (out), cancel, cross (off or out), delete, efface, erase, expunge, obliterate, rub (out), scratch (out), strike (out), undo, x (out). Law: vacate. See CONTINUE
phrasal verb

wipe out
To destroy all traces of: abolish, annihilate, blot out, clear, eradicate, erase, exterminate, extinguish, extirpate, kill1, liquidate, obliterate, remove, root1 (out or up), rub out, snuff out, stamp out, uproot. Idioms: do away with, make an end of, put an end to. See HELP, MAKE
To get rid of, especially by banishment or execution: eliminate, eradicate, liquidate, purge, remove. Idioms: do away with, put an end to. See HELP, KEEP
Slang. To take the life of (a person or persons) unlawfully: destroy, finish (off), kill1, liquidate, murder, slay. Informal: put away. Slang: bump off, do in, knock off, off, rub out, waste, zap. See HELP

destroy
verb
To cause the complete ruin or wreckage of: bankrupt, break down, cross up, demolish, finish, ruin, shatter, sink, smash, spoil, torpedo, undo, wash up, wrack2, wreck. Slang: total. Idiom: put the kibosh on. See HELP
To pull down or break up so that reconstruction is impossible: demolish, dismantle, dynamite, knock down, level, pull down, pulverize, raze, tear down, wreck. Aerospace: destruct. See HELP
To cause the death of: carry off, cut down, cut off, dispatch, finish (off), kill1, slay. Slang: waste, zap. Idioms: put an end to, put to sleep. See HELP
To take the life of (a person or persons) unlawfully: finish (off), kill1, liquidate, murder, slay. Informal: put away. Slang: bump off, do in, knock off, off, rub out, waste, wipe out, zap. See HELP
To impair severely something such as the spirit, health, or effectiveness of: break, crush, overwhelm, ruin. See HELP

Unfortunately, wipe out and destroy are interchangeable. I was never really convinced of this argument in any case. Still, until RP or EL specifically mentions SA in rules, errata or FAQ, they (IMO) do not allow a unit to avoid being aborted, annihilated, annuled, axed, blotted out, broken down, butchered, consumed, creamed, crushed, damaged, defaced, desolated, despoiled, destroyed, dismantled, dispatched, ended, eradicated, erased, exterminated, extinguished, extirpated, gutted, impaired, killed, laid waste, leveled, liquidated, maimed, marred, marauded, mutilated, nuked, nullified, overturned, quashed, quelled, ravaged, ravished razed, ruined, sabotaged, shattered, slain, smashed, snuffed out, spoliated, stamped out, suppressed, swallowed up, torn down, torpedoed, totaled, trashed, vaporized, wasted, waxed, or wiped out. And I will rule this way when I judge a tournament, and will argue this when when I play a pick up game with friends, even though I plan to play Necrons as soon as I can afford it.

**nosferatu1001**

Just to point out - none of those sources are British English

However as you noted, it doesnt matter, as Sweeping Advance is not specified in the FAQ or codex, and so doesnt work. Exactly like WBB never worked.

THere is no single argument that has any real merit here, and hasnt been for 27 pages

**Monster Rain**

"Wiped Out" and "Destroyed" are used interchangeably in the rulebook.

No amount of foot stamping or sophistry will change that.

**nosferatu1001**

Except they arent. It isnt foot stamping to point out errors in peoples methodology. Well, YOU may consider it foot stmaping, but that says more about you than others

**Happyjew**

How many times is "wiped out" used in the rule book? AFAIK the only mention of "wiped out" is whether or not you can make SA when engaged in multiple assault.

**Monster Rain**

Happyjew wrote:How many times is "wiped out" used in the rule book? AFAIK the only mention of "wiped out" is whether or not you can make SA when engaged in multiple assault.

Allow me to rephrase:

"Destroyed" is used interchangeably with "wiped out" in the context in which it is used in the FAQ. Read: All the models in the unit have been removed, for one reason or another.

**Lordhat**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Just to point out - none of those sources are British English

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/wipe-out wrote:
wipe out - thesaurus entry

PHRASAL VERB
1 to destroy or get rid of something completely
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of wipe out*
To destroy or severely damage something: destroy, ruin, devastate, eat away, rip apart, obliterate, ravage, mutilate, shatter, smash/break/tear etc something to pieces... more
2 VERY INFORMAL to kill someone
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of wipe out*
To kill a person or animal: kill, murder, strangle, assassinate, slaughter, massacre, exterminate, bump off, dispatch, take someone’s life... more
3 to clean the inside of something with a cloth
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of wipe out*
To make something clean by rubbing: rub, wipe, polish, scrub, buff, rub out, finish, shine, dab, scour... more
4 INFORMAL to make someone extremely tired
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of wipe out*
To make someone tired: tire, exhaust, wear out, tire out, finish off, drain, kill, overtax, do in, take it out of you... more
5 INFORMAL to fall and have a big crash when you are riding something such as a snowboard or a surfboard
*Synonyms or related words for this sense of wipe out*
Skiing and other sports taking place on snow: après-ski, binding, chairlift, cross-country skiing, downhill, heliskiing, luge, mogul, nursery slope, off-piste... more
These are synonyms and/or related words for wipe out in the British English Thesaurus. View synonyms and/or related words for wipe out in the American English Thesaurus.
Change your default dictionary and thesaurus to American English.

**Happyjew**

That doesn't answer my question. How many times is the phrase "wiped out" used? Not "How many times is 'wiped out' used or 'destroyed' used?

**rigeld2**

Monster Rain wrote:
Happyjew wrote:How many times is "wiped out" used in the rule book? AFAIK the only mention of "wiped out" is whether or not you can make SA when engaged in multiple assault.

Allow me to rephrase:

"Destroyed" is used interchangeably with "wiped out" in the context in which it is used in the FAQ. Read: All the models in the unit have been removed, for one reason or another.

Great. You've convinced me of that.

Now, where is the permission to come back from SA? Remember, it has to be permission specific to SA - not just permission to come back from being wiped out.

**nosferatu1001**

Lordhat - and, again, that is only way way. Macmillan is also /= OED....

**reds8n**

There comes a point when you have to just accept defeat, and agree to disagree.