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A squad of rubric marines is in engagement with an imperial knight. Nearby Magnus wants to charge that same knight. The gap between rubrics is just large enough for Magnus to get within engagement range, but not so large that he can touch bases during the fight.

See photos.

Some questions.

Can Magnus charge in this case?
If so, can he fight during the fight first step? How?
If he can't fight first, can he be selected to fight later after the knight kills some marines and makes room?

Thank you!

Magnus can declare a charge, but if it is impossible for him to get within engagement range (1") of the enemy then his charge will not be successful and he will not be able to fight.

If he has enough movement to get within engagement range (and his model can fit) then he can successfully complete his charge. He can fight first and attack any enemy models that are still within engagement range. There is no requirement for him to be in base to base contact in order to make his attacks.

And no, you cannot 'skip' a model's opportunity to fight and do it later.

"There is no requirement for him to be in base to base contact in order to make his attacks."


This is somehow a rule we missed. Thank you.

Can multi-level fights happen? They aren't in b-to-b contact.

You don't need to be in Base-to-Base to attack.

WHICH MODELS FIGHT
When a unit makes its melee attacks, only models in that unit that are either within Engagement Range of an enemy unit, or in base-to-base contact with another model from their own unit that is itself in base-to-base contact with an enemy unit, can fight.

Vincible Wizard wrote:
"There is no requirement for him to be in base to base contact in order to make his attacks."


This is somehow a rule we missed. Thank you.

When a unit makes a charge move if a model can get into base to base contact it must, but if that isn't possible it just need to get within engagement range.

 alextroy wrote:
You don't need to be in Base-to-Base to attack.

WHICH MODELS FIGHT
When a unit makes its melee attacks, only models in that unit that are either within Engagement Range of an enemy unit, or in base-to-base contact with another model from their own unit that is itself in base-to-base contact with an enemy unit, can fight.

That's from the Fight phase. We're looking for the Charge phase.
Fights are multi-turn affairs, and front-row models can be removed, yet the fight goes on. But the charge is where base-to-base contact occurs.

For a Charge move to be possible, the Charge roll must be sufficient to enable the charging unit to end that move:
■ Within Engagement Range of every unit that you selected as a target of the charge.
■ Without moving within Engagement Range of any enemy units that were not a target of the charge.
■ In Unit Coherency.
If any of these conditions cannot be met, the charge fails and no models in the charging unit move this phase. Otherwise, the charge is successful and the models in the charging unit make a Charge move – move each model a distance in inches up to the result of the Charge roll. When doing so, each model in the charging unit must end its Charge move closer to one of the units selected as a target of its charge. If you can also move a charging model so that it ends its Charge move in base-to-base contact with one or more enemy models while still enabling the charging unit to end its move satisfying all of the conditions above, you must do so

So, if base-to-base CAN happen, it must. But it is not required. Engagement Range is the only real requirement for a Charge to be successful.
The OP's scenario is possible, as long as the big model is within 1" of the enemy being charged.

As to question #2, chargers get Fights First, so (unless Magnus has something to prevent it), he will get to Fight First.

Vincible Wizard wrote:
Can Magnus charge in this case?
If so, can he fight during the fight first step? How?
If he can't fight first, can he be selected to fight later after the knight kills some marines and makes room?

Can Magnus charge? If he can make it into engagement range, yes.

Can Magnus fight first? Normal fight phase sequencing would apply. Magnus would have fights first from charging so he would be selected at that stage - if the knight also has fights first somehow then he would be able to be selected first (as the other player gets first pick). If other fights first combats are taking place elsewhere the Knight player could potentially use counter offensive to interrupt combat if Magnus is not selected first.

Can he be selected to fight later etc? Only if other selectable units exist with fights first. Being in engagement range is enough for making the charge and for fighting, so Magnus would have to operate in that part of the fight phase sequence - you cannot defer that. If somehow the knight had fights first and opted to put some attacks into the Rubrics, then sure that could clear out some space for Magnus to pile into, but it would have no impact on his selection to fight.

If you can make it into B2B you are supposed to, but you don't have to be in b2b to fight, just engagement range.

There is a model between magnus and the knight, so magnus cant fight because he isnt in engagement range. so he can not charge.

 skeleton wrote:
There is a model between magnus and the knight, so magnus cant fight because he isnt in engagement range. so he can not charge.

That really depends on the actual measurement. If he was within engagement range, he can fight (and charge). If he was not, he can not. It is literally that simple.

 skeleton wrote:
There is a model between magnus and the knight, so magnus cant fight because he isnt in engagement range. so he can not charge.

If you position Magnus in the gap between marines, he should be able to squeeze into range.

 skeleton wrote:
There is a model between magnus and the knight, so magnus cant fight because he isnt in engagement range. so he can not charge.

Bases and models have nothing to do with it here. If Magnus gets to within 1" of the enemy base, he can charge.
Bases only matter in the fight phase, where a 2nd-row model can attack if in contact with a same-unit model in base contact with the enemy.

If you have to go off the pictures, its a ongoing fight or the thousendsons chared. If he then wants to charge with magnus he can not come into the 1 inch because you cant move model away they had to leave room for magnus. thousendsun have what 28 or 32mm base so its bigger the an inche.

The CSM unit could have moved around knight's base, keeping in coherency, and making a gap.
As you say, the photo does not show that, and there appears to be no gap allowing a 1" charge move to occur.
If they had moved, the charge might have been legally possible.

 KingGarland wrote:

Vincible Wizard wrote:
"There is no requirement for him to be in base to base contact in order to make his attacks."


This is somehow a rule we missed. Thank you.

When a unit makes a charge move if a model can get into base to base contact it must, but if that isn't possible it just need to get within engagement range.

So, they should check their charge distance and see if it is long enough for Magnus to get around the side to where there is room to get into base contact. If there is enough charge movement, they have to do that. If not, then anywhere within engagement range (1") is fine.