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Next sternguard, comments and advice?

Thing I dont like the most is the highlights on the metal of the gun. Any good guides or changes you can suggest?

Cheers

Org wrote:

BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:Its a option in the new Codex that a 10 man squad can have a "Free" Heavy Weapon

6 man or indeed 5 man squads can still take a Heavy Weapon if abeit at a more expensive price pts wise overall im getting boned for it being that my squads operate as sixes

Sorry sir, but unless there is a rule somewhere in the dark bowels of the 5th Edition Codex, you are wrong.

Here, from the Troop Page, on the Tac Squad Options
"If the squad numbers ten models, one Space Marine may replace his boltgun with one of the following:
-a Flamer Free
-a Meltagun +5 pts
-a Plasma Gun +10 pts

If the Space Marine squad numbers ten models, one Space Marine may replace his boltgun with one of the following
-a heavy bolter, multi-melta, or a missile launcher Free
-a plasma cannon +5 pts
-a lascannon +10 pts "

There

Oh I stand throughly corrected I dont really play you see (Which is no doubt evident) I only collect just going on what I heard but hey.

Metal is a hard one to paint sometimes, but it may have paid off to do a boltgun metal coat, bebab wash it, and then give it a very dry drybrushing of mithril silver.. just to pick out the very edges of that metal.

Either that or you could use your studying expertise and try your hand at Non Metallic Metals? If done right it comes out spectacular. There is a guide in the current white dwarf on it.

Sicarious85 wrote:Metal is a hard one to paint sometimes, but it may have paid off to do a boltgun metal coat, bebab wash it, and then give it a very dry drybrushing of mithril silver.. just to pick out the very edges of that metal.

Either that or you could use your studying expertise and try your hand at Non Metallic Metals? If done right it comes out spectacular. There is a guide in the current white dwarf on it.

I'm not a fan of non metallic metals, and don't think i will ever try and use the style.

Also these are gaming minis not display only minis.

I've heard of military modellers crushing down a pencil tip (carbon graphite) to a fine powder and rubbing that onto the surface. It gives a unique texture to the metal. I learnt it from this guy... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/228741.page#541489 Hope that helps!

Good work with the paint job but i do agree with the others about the metal - it crashes too much with the extreme highlighting on the black on the weapon, with this i would just do a wash of badab black too just dull it down more,, good work on the rest of the model!

wow, amazing highlighting on those blood ravens, ive been playing around with schemes of my own, but none look close to this good, have you ever thought of making a tutorial?

Wait.... first ever? Please for gods sake, you took a painting class in college? Took an art class at the rec center? Watched that creepy dude with the beard paint landscapes on PBS?

Truly stunning models. It truly looks fantastic. I mean I could literally drool over those, I really reccomend starting a model painting business if you need extra money lol... \

The shading, superb.
The armor coloring, amazing.
The shading, perfect.
The gem on the forehead of the Combi-Plasma sternguard and its eye lens are pro-level.

I'm not even lying when I say that you can paint as well as the eavy' metal artists at GW. Even the scrips of the purity seals have writing on them! Its made me realize that I need to get my butt in gear with my Deathwing lol.

Thanks for all the lovely words everyone.
You don't know how much it means to me to hear them

And now,

AoBR post kitbashing,
whatcha think?

Its not meant to venerable or Ironclad, Just an older, more distinguished dreadnaught, hence all the scrolls, purity seals, icons. I wanted it to stand apart from a normal AoBR.
Do people think I should add a few more seals/scrolls?

Sicarious85 wrote:Metal is a hard one to paint sometimes, but it may have paid off to do a boltgun metal coat, bebab wash it, and then give it a very dry drybrushing of mithril silver.. just to pick out the very edges of that metal.

I tried this out and it looked much better on my tactical marine's gun.

I think drybrushing is the way to go for highlighting my metal thats not NMM from now on. Thanks bro.

Hi Roleplayer

As S.J said you could try graphite if you wanted but I've found that for fantasy or sci fi figures it doesnt really work that well.

I use the technique mostly on historical minis or vehicles.

If you do decide to use it start the metal areas in a black colour and then rub on grinded graphite powder with your finger.

As for the metal areas you've painted above theres an easy way to do this. Yes the high lights are a bit extreme at the moment so why not just mix two shades of silver colours to get a more natural progression?

For example boltgun metal mixed 50/50 with mithril silver?

Or you can darken down boltgun metal with a bit of black ink or chaos black and then highlight with pure boltgun metal.

Highlighting, blending, and shading in metalics is the same as in non metallic colours.

Several people have asked the OP if he has any painting experience at all, and he has not answered. I think perhaps he should consider how the idea of someone with zero art experience showing off master-quality models makes everyone else feel. Maybe that's the point, maybe he doesn't care; either way, it's upsetting.

I have no art skills, and I don't expect my minis will ever look that good, but it would help me sleep at night if I knew this guy had prior art training. It's like Malcolm Ingram said, "If Owen Wilson tries to kill himself, what right do I have to live?"

Roleplayer,

How do you do the white helmets. Is it just bleach bone and a white highlight or are there some glazes or washes involved?

It's not me not answering, I answered it in the first page, if you recall
People just keep asking me the same questions

I don't have any experience with model painting, I did a little bit of painting in art in high school/collage, but I didn't get As or anything.
I do cartography and calligraphy as a hobby, which requires a steady hand a brush respectively.
I spent about a month reading tutorials, and I practiced a lot of the various different techniques on the AoBR warboss and one spare marine I got in the box. I can post pics of those if you like

As for the helmets,

I paint the deneb stone, then 3 coats of thinned bleached bone, then a highlight of 50/50 Skull White/BB, then a 80/20 highlight of SW/BB.

Were these articles that you speak of on the web, or are they in magazines.

Also, you must have spent a hell of a lot of money since not only does it take a steady hand and knowledge of techniques, but a wide range of expensive paints.

Or are you just incredible and manage to gak out the right colours??

Oh come on guys, let the nerd rage die already

Xanthos552 wrote:Were these articles that you speak of on the web, or are they in magazines.

Also, you must have spent a hell of a lot of money since not only does it take a steady hand and knowledge of techniques, but a wide range of expensive paints.

Or are you just incredible and manage to gak out the right colours??

The guide I use the most is a pdf I found call CMON Ultimage Guide to minature painting. But I also read all the articles here, on Cool Mini or Not, 40kforums and Freeboota 40k radio forums. Jawaballs youtube videos were also a great deal of help, as were a large number of other people's videos.

And no, I just spent a lot of money About 300 US. I basically baught the entire Games Workshop Paint Line the same day I baught AoBR.
I'm 28, work full time, and live by myself in Japan, and have no social life here except for my gf. So I was able to invest a chink of disposable income into starting up painting.

As I said, first I played Dawn Of War, then I read a bit about 40k, then saw some minis online, was inspired after looking at them all, went to my local GW, baught everything I needed to get started and started from there!
As you can see by the mistakes I make in painting metals, painting details, and the way my first minatures didnt have eyes painted, but now do, I am learning more advanced techniques as I go.

The best advice I'd give is patience, I guess? I mean, that sternguard took me almost a10 or so days of 1 hour a night to finish, from primer to finished.

Hey, no rage here! Just despair. However, I am glad you've had basic training in both painting and other art stuff: it explains the control shown in your painting.

Roleplayer, this is a great blog with some awesome work

To answer your question I think the dread looks great as it is, if you start adding too many scrolls etc it will either start looking cluttered or more like a venerable.

I'm half way through painting my Aobr Dread now, I have to say its quite different from painting a regular marine. There are more little 'gribbly' details, but also larger flatter panels that you need to blend across.

Ive also found that citadel washes are great over boltgun metal for different types of metal.

For work on the dreadnought...

My first tip is to drill out the barrel on the meltagun with a wide drill. A flat meltagun surface is worse than a bolter with a closed barrel IMO.

Also, the dreadnought's powerfist has a gap in it that may want to be covered with GS or something, since it will show up.

Love the painting and I hope I can get this good. In my band of friends I play/model with, I'm the best painter, but your stuff makes mine look horrible... Note to self, look up that painting guide you mentioned.

I really recommend Jawaballs youtube videos, they're great for showing you some nice basic techniques. he has a lot of really cool free ones.

Roleplayer wrote:Next sternguard, comments and advice?

Thing I dont like the most is the highlights on the metal of the gun. Any good guides or changes you can suggest?

Cheers

Yeah, I am not digging the barrel end of the plasma portion of the combi-bolter either. I am thinking it might have looked better being straight black with your normal grey highlights.

Really crook today, very sore throat, headache, room is always too hot or two cold. My wall air con has like, this mold growing in it, and I hate to have it on, because I know that can't be healthy, but it was 38 here today and I was running a fever, urgh.

Despite all this, I managed to throw together a dry run for my Chapter Master, as my bitz game this morning

Dry run for my chapter master.
Pre-cleaning, filing ,green stuff.

The helmet wings and ceramonial back wings will be painted Raven black.

Thoughts/ Things you like, don't like? What should I add?

Cheers

Roleplayer wrote:Really crook today, very sore throat, headache, room is always too hot or two cold. My wall air con has like, this mold growing in it, and I hate to have it on, because I know that can't be healthy, but it was 38 here today and I was running a fever, urgh.

Despite all this, I managed to throw together a dry run for my Chapter Master, as my bitz game this morning

Dry run for my chapter master.
Pre-cleaning, filing ,green stuff.

The helmet wings and ceramonial back wings will be painted Raven black.

Thoughts/ Things you like, don't like? What should I add?

Cheers




Where did you get the wings and from what model??? or mini??

Is another variant I am considering.

Thoughts?

Personally its a little OTT for my tastes.

Maybe you can get away with the wings on the helm but the feathers on the cape is a step too far for me.

Then again if thats your thing then go for it. Theres nothing wrong with ornate conversions if thats your taste.

Edit - 2 Swords looks cool but in game terms a pistol would probably be more useful.

This is awesome. Excellent highlighting, kind of pillow highlighting, rather than directional, but clean, crisp and very well done.

One to watch for sure.

Have you considered shading the bone helmets?

Yeah, its meant to be a little over the top, he's the chapter master, and this is meant to be his ceramonial wear, like, dress uniform, he'd wear to important meetings, seeing planetary governers etc, and wouldn't wear to the battlefield that often.

you could count his 2 swords as a relic blade (2 handed) and craft the pistol onto his wrist perhaps? its legal.
on to the model, the feathers gives it a cool look, but when i see the winged helm i always think Dark angels, but its your call.

keep updates rolling!

I like the cloak wings, personally. In my eyes it's a good thing to go OTT with your scariest stuff, not a lot says YOU WILL DIE like a touch that makes your commander stand out. I'm not sure I would paint the wings black, though, helm or cloak. It does seem a little too Dark Angel, and washing the color theory around my morning-addled brain seems that it will entirely overpower the rest of him. The ratio of black bits to mini surface area looks to me like too much. Feel free to prove me wrong, by all means, with your skill it could probably be done. If you really want to go over the top and want to keep the black, do the leading edges of the wings and feathers on the helm in silver or bronze and then paint gold over it, with the rest of the wings black I think they would blaze.