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In point of fact, the cylinder method works just fine - I have seen almost no arguments, and those arguments have been by people that really don't want it to work. (And have modeled their crouching Wraithlords....)

Just make sure that folks remember that it works both ways - that fighter is measured to where his head would be, not where he is waving his sword in the air, yelling 'Yoo hoo! Over here!' like the miniature shows....

The worst method, though, is the one used by Age of Sigmar... where you do measure to the bits sticking out....

The Auld Grump

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So, like, guy on the other side of a mountain, in a bunker with no windows, would still be able to get hit by a rifle?

If you want to make it simple, yes. Though why you should shoot at him with a minus 10 modifier when there was some other target behind a hedge with a minus one modifier, I don't know.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So, like, guy on the other side of a mountain, in a bunker with no windows, would still be able to get hit by a rifle?

If you want to make it simple, yes. Though why you should shoot at him with a minus 10 modifier when there was some other target behind a hedge with a minus one modifier, I don't know.

To prove the point, of course

Then good luck to your dice!

If people want justification, it is easy to invent fluff reasons in SF and Fantasy games why someone could pull off a highly unlikely shot, for example, a quartz crystal on top of the mountain reflects the laser into a ventilation shaft where it hits a fan motor which shorts out and high voltage electricity arcs over to the target and kills him.

 Kilkrazy wrote:


If people want justification, it is easy to invent fluff reasons in SF and Fantasy games why someone could pull off a highly unlikely shot, for example, a quartz crystal on top of the mountain reflects the laser into a ventilation shaft where it hits a fan motor which shorts out and high voltage electricity arcs over to the target and kills him.

That's a nice narrative you forged here, sir!

Nowadays, I play a lot at Firestorm Planetfall, a 10 mm "mass battle" tabletop miniature game. Of course, it doesn't use TLoS but base to base with categories determining what blocks LoS. It's quite abstract, but it's really needed at this scale - looking "through the eyes of the model" is quite difficult when the said model has actually two to four infantry sized models with different poses and 10 mm heigth. Not talking about vehicles, sure.