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2013/10/20 01:12:15
Subject: Re:Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
Matt.Kingsley wrote: There are not one but two VC boxes, which is cool. 1 Ghoul themed and one Skeleton themed.
You know what, I may as well just post the contents of all the new army boxes...
Spoiler:
A Tau box (contains a Riptide and 6 Broadsides)
An Eldar box (contains a Wraithknight, 2 Wraithlords and 15 Waraithguard)
A Space Marine box (contains a Stormraven and 2 Stormtalons)
A Chaos Warrior box (contains a Giant, Slaughterbrute, 6 Dragon Ogres and 2 Chaos Spawn)
A Dark Elf box (contains the new Fleetmaster and Chariot, 20 Dreadspears, 20 Corsairs and 5 Cold One Knights)
and finally 2 Vampire Counts boxes (one with a Wight King, 20 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Grave Guard and 5 Black Knights, the other with a Necromancer, 20 Ghouls, 3 Crypt Horrors and a Garden of Morr)
Some of those seem pretty nice, the Vampire Counts boxes have piqued my interest... any prices printed with them, or would these be 'one click wonders'?
2013/10/20 02:16:33
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
Matt.Kingsley wrote: There are not one but two VC boxes, which is cool. 1 Ghoul themed and one Skeleton themed.
You know what, I may as well just post the contents of all the new army boxes...
Spoiler:
A Tau box (contains a Riptide and 6 Broadsides)
An Eldar box (contains a Wraithknight, 2 Wraithlords and 15 Waraithguard)
A Space Marine box (contains a Stormraven and 2 Stormtalons)
A Chaos Warrior box (contains a Giant, Slaughterbrute, 6 Dragon Ogres and 2 Chaos Spawn)
A Dark Elf box (contains the new Fleetmaster and Chariot, 20 Dreadspears, 20 Corsairs and 5 Cold One Knights)
and finally 2 Vampire Counts boxes (one with a Wight King, 20 Skeleton Warriors, 10 Grave Guard and 5 Black Knights, the other with a Necromancer, 20 Ghouls, 3 Crypt Horrors and a Garden of Morr)
Some of those seem pretty nice, the Vampire Counts boxes have piqued my interest... any prices printed with them, or would these be 'one click wonders'?
He had them listed at 240 AUD, which puts them at the Megaforce price bracket($225 USD).
2013/10/20 02:48:55
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
He had them listed at 240 AUD, which puts them at the Megaforce price bracket($225 USD).
Hope not, at the current prices for items already released, comes up to ~$153 USD. With the fleetmaster rumored at $20 and the chariot between $40-50, there is no savings on that box. The Australian price is skewed though since Corsairs and Cold Ones are far more expensive than their US counterparts. Working the discount on the Australian box, I see the US box being closer to $175 USD. Box looks small and was hoping for something more along the lines of the Space Marine Megaforce.
2013/10/20 03:53:48
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
I might be interested in that Tau box if the price is right, but 6 broadsides are about $300 on their own so I bet it won't be. Probably just like their one-click collections: "A riptide and six broadsides for the price of a riptide and six broadsides."
Or maybe we get lucky and they knock $20 off. Merry Christmas.
That's not really much of an "army" though, so calling them army boxes seems kinda strange. I wouldn't even call that a "force" of any kind, just a bunch of broadsides with a gundam thrown in because reasons. Sounds more like an Apoc formation than anything.
And to keep this vaguely on-topic (lol): still think the Dark Elves are too expensive. Never collecting them or touching Fantasy ever again until price drops happen (yeah I know, that'll never happen). I really want to know what kind of bs $60 for ten plastic infantry is, and now I keep wondering when the madness is going to stop. It makes the $100 infantry boxes that I once joked about seem more and more likely and frankly that scares the gak out of me.
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2013/10/20 05:30:15
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
He had them listed at 240 AUD, which puts them at the Megaforce price bracket($225 USD).
Hope not, at the current prices for items already released, comes up to ~$153 USD. With the fleetmaster rumored at $20 and the chariot between $40-50, there is no savings on that box. The Australian price is skewed though since Corsairs and Cold Ones are far more expensive than their US counterparts. Working the discount on the Australian box, I see the US box being closer to $175 USD. Box looks small and was hoping for something more along the lines of the Space Marine Megaforce.
Entirely possible. Bear in mind that I was working off "price bands" not with exact numbers.
2013/10/26 19:36:47
Subject: Re:Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
azreal13 wrote: My family have had horses longer than they've had me, and having grown up around them, I'm particularly sensitive to anything in an equine sculpt that is "wrong."
I actually don't mind them at all. In the context of being Dark Elf steeds, so there's essentially something "wrong" with them.
I wouldn't object to flat out "wrong" these are too close to real, so to my eye they look....incorrect?
But enough with the horse beavers, if anyone is keen to continue the discussion, I'll meet you over in the DE thread.
Well, that's why they do work for me. Not inaccurate to the point of ridiculousness (like the old Elven horses with cartoon faces) but like this - close to real, but ...wrong. Id' say subtly wrong, but they're not exactly subtle.
The reason why they look 'wrong' is because the designer, Mike Anderson, sculpted them with their upper lips removed to make the horses look more crazed and disturbing. The quote is "Beastmasters really don't treat their charges well"
hahaha...
alphaecho, i just came looking for this thread to write the same thing you did, as i just read the design article...
it makes sense, but luckily, it also looks damn easy to shave the teeth down a bit...
should look a little less etreme then...
cheers
jah
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2013/10/26 22:54:02
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
Well, these executionners and black guards sucks, they look like statue. Sad as they're among my favorite unit in the game. Maybe it will be possible to make decent black guard by using theyr head on the phoenix guard body.
The horses look way better up close, and the chariot is ace.
All around, it's a pretty good release for the dark elves, even tough they dropped the balls on the warriors and exec/bg kits.
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2013/10/26 23:21:49
Subject: Re:Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
The reason why they look 'wrong' is because the designer, Mike Anderson, sculpted them with their upper lips removed to make the horses look more crazed and disturbing. The quote is "Beastmasters really don't treat their charges well"
I'm not disputing that's what he's said, but I just think that's some sort of retroactive justification, perhaps because they do pay attention to the Internet and have seen some comments from the leaked pics.
Poor treatment does not make a horses lips fall off (and the lower lip seems to be the same on some of them) nor does it cause them to use far too straight lines for an organic, living organism. Neither does it make their legs slightly disproportionate to their bodies.
I could have at least bought something along the lines of "these are a different animal that dark elves have bred, they look a lot like horses, but are different" as that would also explain the spikes growing out of their legs.
But meh, I don't play, I won't be buying them, if you do, more power to you, I hope they bring whoever does many hours of modelling fun and great success in the table!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
@azrael13:
the lips are actually cut off by the handlers...
that was the design choice...
also, the horses are a bit mutated, that's why they have spurs of bone growing from their legs...
the design article was written in June or July, before the magazine went to print...
so, it's not a retroactive response to nerd rage, just silly design choices
cheers
jah
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2013/10/27 01:29:12
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
jah-joshua wrote: @azrael13:
the lips are actually cut off by the handlers...
that was the design choice...
also, the horses are a bit mutated, that's why they have spurs of bone growing from their legs...
the design article was written in June or July, before the magazine went to print...
so, it's not a retroactive response to nerd rage, just silly design choices
cheers
jah
I'm not sure silly design choices even begins to cover it, it rings of the sort of nonsense that 8 year old azreal would generate while playing with his action figures (from a spurious, random and illogical perspective, I wasn't mutilating either my toys or animals!)
But you're right, the article was probably written weeks ago, so, as bizarre as it seems, that really is probably the reasoning behind it.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Are we actually nitpicking over some fantasy horses bred by hilariously villainous pointy eared folk who also take a bathtub of blood onto a battlefield alonside scantily clad angry women to fight with dragons, tanks, skeletons and other more weird and wonderful creatures?
I think they look pretty fun, myself.
2013/10/27 01:43:46
Subject: Dark Elf rumours (now includes pics of all 2nd wave models)
Scrub wrote: Are we actually nitpicking over some fantasy horses bred by hilariously villainous pointy eared folk who also take a bathtub of blood onto a battlefield alonside scantily clad angry women to fight with dragons, tanks, skeletons and other more weird and wonderful creatures?
I think they look pretty fun, myself.
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I'm particularly sensitive to "poor" horses. Conversely, I have a hard time resisting a good one.
So, yes, I am nitpicking over the horse beavers!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
had to be done...
i did feel a little bad delivering that line straight, but i was laughing too hard to not leave it be...
that's what firends are for, Ferrum...
cheers
jah
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