Codex: Space Marines [First post updated 27-08-2013 - Leaked White Dwarf images added]

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**BryllCream**

So we're knocking GW for price increases that haven't even happened/may not ever happen? Awesome.

Can we also knock GW for causing the apocolypse and sinking the Belgrano?

**Azreal13**

BryllCream wrote:
So we're knocking GW for price increases that haven't even happened/may not ever happen? Awesome.

Can we also knock GW for causing the apocolypse and sinking the Belgrano?

No.

**OIIIIIIO**

azreal13 wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
So we're knocking GW for price increases that haven't even happened/may not ever happen? Awesome.

Can we also knock GW for causing the apocolypse and sinking the Belgrano?

No.

Why not?

It is because of GW that my country is in financial ruin. I did not like him or his dad .... .... wait ... wrong GW.

GW did do apocalypse though ... not the world destroying one but, they DID do an apocalypse .... just saying.

**Zweischneid**

McNinja wrote:
This rumour does state that each chapter gets a big portion of the book to themselves. BT may be a supplement that is slated to release just at the SM codex does, or it may be rolled into the new codex. I expect this codex to be massive.

Doubtful (though, not entirely impossible)

A) Supplements (thus far) have been English only. If Templars are a supplement, it would effectively mean they are discontinued for all non-English speaking markets by GW.

B) If BT become the first "full-coverage" Supplement (with its own tab in the rule-book's allies-chart on top), it might as well be a full Codex. There'd be no savings/advantage to making them a supplement.

**Locrian**

Anyone else worried that this codex will completely dwarf Codex: Dark Angels which just barely came out this year? Sounds like I'll have to play my DA as generic marines :/

**Alpharius**

I'm cautiously optimistic about these new mini-dreads/super-terminators.

I'm looking forward to them!

**gianlucafiorentini123**

- There will be 7 Ltd Ed varients. 6 of these will be covers for First Founding chapters, whilst the 7th will have Black Templars on the cover.

This seems very likely considering they did the four gods for chaos. I'll probably pick up an IF one as long as it's not these guys but knowing GW it'll probably be these guys and advertised as IF/CF.

- There is a new tactical squad. Lots of options as you'd expect, but of particular interest will probably be the grav pistol and grav rifle.

I'd love a new tac squad box (providing it doesn't get cut down to five men in a box or too hefty a price increase). However it doesn't really fit into GW's recent release style.

- A new plastic Sternguard veteran squad.

- A new plastic Vanguard veteran squad.

I'd love a veteran dual kit especially if it's on par with the DC kit.

The rest of the rumours all seem pretty plausible to me. I'm not to sure about the whole power armour on top of power armour idea but if they're like the sketches from earlier they should be sweet looking.

**pretre**

Hmm. Interesting stuff and from Best Pone as well!

**prpetros**

This is news I like

The whole large dread thing was something my imperial fists siege army could do without. Plastic stern guard will be awesome, and grav guns will give me my reason to buy theses fellows http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Space_Marine_Legion_Army_List/Legion_Troops/Legion_Breacher_Siege_Squad/LEGION_MKIII_BREACHER_SIEGE_SQUAD.html

Like many plp i would have never thrown cash at the limited edition codex's, but a codex with my chapter on it is swaying me greatly.

Question, if the 6 chapter codex's are limited edition ie most likely £50, what it going to be on the front cover of the £30 Generic SM Codex?

**BryllCream**

They look pretty cool...those shields remind me of Army of Two though.

**Mr.Omega**

Has anyone seen Nafka's mythical 'White Dwarf Cover' yet?

**MetalOxide**

Grav weapons use armour saves as toughness? Time to build some cultists.

**1hadhq**

Redemption wrote:Best_Pone over at Warseer, who was also spot on with his High Elf, Eldar, Apocalypse and Black Legion rumours, had this to say about the new Codex: Space Marines:

Best_Pone wrote:Up for release in September is the new Codex: Space Marines.

- There will be 7 Ltd Ed varients. 6 of these will be covers for First Founding chapters, whilst the 7th will have Black Templars on the cover.

- New weapon family: Grav weapons. I believe these wound against the armour save (so terminators would be wounded as if they had a toughness of 2).

- First Founding chapters will be getting a substantial section each to themselves, so hopefully this can be looked as as Codex: Space Marines instead of Codex: Ultramarines. This will also show in a rule called Chapter Tactics, for which the effects depend on the chapter being played.

- There is a new armour type that at first glance looks to be somewhere between a terminator and a dreadnought - looking more closely, it appears to go over the marine's power armour however.
- This new armour can be armed in 2 ways, depending on the user. The devastator version has either a bolter array or missile launchers mounted on the chest armour, whilst the gauntlets can be armed with heavy bolters, lascannons or grav cannons. The assault version has a bolter array or frag launchers mounted on the chest armour, with assault drills mounted on the gauntlets.

- There are 2 new AA tanks. One tank veterans will already be familiar with as the Hunter, armed an AA missile launcher. The other tank mounts 2 tri-barreled turrets instead.

- There is a new tactical squad. Lots of options as you'd expect, but of particular interest will probably be the grav pistol and grav rifle.

- A new plastic Sternguard veteran squad.

- A new plastic Vanguard veteran squad.

- New plastic characters: a captain, a librarian and a chaplain.

Hopefully this will finally dispel the consistent rumours about the SM getting some mega-dreadnought.

Several Limited Editions ? Sure. Good money in exchange of a different cover, isn't it?
Six of them. One per Legio and a general one with a BT cover like the BRB had BT on it in 3rd ed?

Am ok with a basic dex, plus like Ernestas posted, LE 's are English only. Like supplements, who are digital.
Not going to interest me.

Grav weapons. A bit useless to have a name without the stats. Grav vs anti-grav ( ...skimmers... ) what happens??

New armor type.

Plastic veterans. With or without iconography? I'd buy an "expanded" sprue even at a box size of 5 marines if this is adaptable to any codex chapter. Don't care if its all mono-pose crap.

New Tac The current sprue show its age. ( mold lines, etc ). OtoH the risk of a " box of 5 " ... I'd hope the point is to add parts and to renew the kit.

plastic characters. whenever the pics show up, we'll see... There is a lot of black& white. Not looking forward to overblinged models or weird poses.

2x AA tanks. Two of them? miss-iles make sense, but we have a whirlwind as a single build kit. Won't need a tri barreled turret when AA vehicles usually field guns in pairs...

If I had a wish, new bike sprue maybe?
Dear GW, the WS really love their rides. You got an old upgrade kit and an ancient bike sprue.

Zweischneid wrote:
McNinja wrote:
This rumour does state that each chapter gets a big portion of the book to themselves. BT may be a supplement that is slated to release just at the SM codex does, or it may be rolled into the new codex. I expect this codex to be massive.

Doubtful (though, not entirely impossible)

A) Supplements (thus far) have been English only. If Templars are a supplement, it would effectively mean they are discontinued for all non-English speaking markets by GW.

B) If BT become the first "full-coverage" Supplement (with its own tab in the rule-book's allies-chart on top), it might as well be a full Codex. There'd be no savings/advantage to making them a supplement.

Background material in native and second language is ok, but basic playing stuff isn't.
Digital publications ( with updates ), dead tree format ( with updates? ) and on top of that multiple languages?
Who looks for endless debates may try that..

Release date is September?

GD UK and WD release..

GW wrote:
Meet the Designers

........

You will get the chance to see collections of awesome miniatures from the present day, including many of the miniatures from September's forthcoming release, right the way back to the early years of Citadel Miniatures. Many of these miniatures will be displayed in cabinets while others will be displayed on tables, and all of them manned by members of the design team who can't wait to talk to you about their passion for Citadel miniatures.

The very latest miniatures...

The more eagle-eyed among you will already have noted that this year's Games Day is the same weekend that October's issue of White Dwarf goes on sale. As such, the design team will also be hosting an elaborate display of the miniatures from October's amazing release - the very first place anyone in the world will be able to see them!

not hiding the new releases?

**DustGod**

Oh no….
Everyone want their favorite of flavor of the 31 flavors to be featured…

Wolves… Wrong codex! why is it even being discussed?

Black Templars… I understand, My first real 3000 point army was Crimson Fist… but at this point with all the options the “Nilla” marines get I’m sure you can build a cool army that fits with 90% of the current gear on your models. Not that I’m against Em’ guys don’t get me wrong but…

I’m a little interested in the new troop type… need to see it first it it really does look like a mini Dreadknight I’m good off that…
I don’t like that model and I don’t want a smaller one… if it’s really cool I’ll buy one.

Sternguard… must buy for me. I just love the idea of new helms, combis, and bits… hopefully there are a few new pieces…

Plastic leadership… sweet. Now if the kits have extra bits… alternate heads and arms… especially the Chaplin….

The rest Meh… I only collect to paint and convert now… I lost my competitive edge and the pay to play factor became too much… but I’ll but a marine codex and new stuff if it’s cool.

Stop fighting over your flavors of ice cream kids? 3+ is 3+

**Ironwill13791**

1hadhq- lets hope this will be a new trend. this format right now stinks to high heaven. a teaser vid 2 weeks before the codex is available to order is not cool. GW can get the buzz going on there products a month or so in advance if they did sneak peeks. I hope what they say they are doing at GD UK will become a new trend kind of like the new codex release rate.

**Crazyterran**

I'm just sitting here.

Hoping the Sternguard box comes with multiple combi-weapons.

**kronk**

Crazyterran wrote:
I'm just sitting here.

Hoping the Sternguard box comes with multiple combi-weapons.

Get this man a beer for hoping the same thing as me.

**Mr.Omega**

Crazyterran wrote:
I'm just sitting here.

Hoping the Sternguard box comes with multiple combi-weapons.

If it does, my plans of having 20 Sternguard all with Combi-plasmas in drop pods might actually come to fruition.

I'm sorry, you said you had a Riptide?

**Ferrum_Sanguinis**

Anyone else hoping they do the same that they did with CSM and release a Terminator kit that can be made into either a Captiain or a Libby?

**dienekes96**

That is a decent hint that October is the Mystery Box, since these will be hosted in "an elaborate display of the miniatures from October's amazing release - the very first place anyone in the world will be able to see them!" That basically screams Inquisitor game. But of course people will see them the night before on the pre-release page or in that days WD. Possibly even earlier from leaked pics, but I'll assume that GW keeps that specific issue lidded tight.

I'm happy about both months. I'll be spending some ducats in both Sept and Oct. Maybe I'll get all 7 covers of the Codex, just to irritate the members who don't understand pointless collectors editions.

**sierra 1247**

Damn this had better be true, plastic vets would make my day

**Davor**

Locrian wrote:
Anyone else worried that this codex will completely dwarf Codex: Dark Angels which just barely came out this year? Sounds like I'll have to play my DA as generic marines :/

Here we go again 5 years later. I think you are the first DA player to start crying/whining.

At least wait for the rules to be know first before you start complaing about plastic toy soldiers.

**kronk**

Locrian wrote:
Anyone else worried that this codex will completely dwarf Codex: Dark Angels which just barely came out this year? Sounds like I'll have to play my DA as generic marines :/

Not really. You get bikes and terminators as troops.

Just ally in for any space marine goodies you'd like to add. Simples!

**ClockworkZion**

Davor wrote:
Locrian wrote:
Anyone else worried that this codex will completely dwarf Codex: Dark Angels which just barely came out this year? Sounds like I'll have to play my DA as generic marines :/

Here we go again 5 years later. I think you are the first DA player to start crying/whining.

At least wait for the rules to be know first before you start complaing about plastic toy soldiers.

Having been following this on multiple boards/sites and abusing Google to try and see what else I could turn up I can say he's not the first. DA and CSM players are already getting their panties in a wad over something they don't even know the rules or points costs to.

**Kanluwen**

Because there totally was not precedent in how Dark Angels got treated the last time there was a C: SM after Dark Angels.

**MetalOxide**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Davor wrote:
Locrian wrote:
Anyone else worried that this codex will completely dwarf Codex: Dark Angels which just barely came out this year? Sounds like I'll have to play my DA as generic marines :/

Here we go again 5 years later. I think you are the first DA player to start crying/whining.

At least wait for the rules to be know first before you start complaing about plastic toy soldiers.

Having been following this on multiple boards/sites and abusing Google to try and see what else I could turn up I can say he's not the first. DA and CSM players are already getting their panties in a wad over something they don't even know the rules or points costs to.

As a Chaos player, I disagree, I am delighted that the Emperor's lap-dogs have got a new codex, my Plague Marines will gleefully stomp the new units of the feeble loyalists and relish converting the new units to Nurgle, turning them into vessels of glorious corruption and pestilence.

DATASHEETS FOR THE DATASHEET GOD!

**ClockworkZion**

Kanluwen wrote:
Because there totally was not precedent in how Dark Angels got treated the last time there was a C: SM after Dark Angels.

I don't see rumors about DA losing anything to the Marines this time though.

Really the bitching boiled down to the fact that they wanted the toys the Marines were getting, but don't want to share the ones they have. It was pathetic to see.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Ironwill13791 wrote:
1hadhq- lets hope this will be a new trend. this format right now stinks to high heaven. a teaser vid 2 weeks before the codex is available to order is not cool. GW can get the buzz going on there products a month or so in advance if they did sneak peeks. I hope what they say they are doing at GD UK will become a new trend kind of like the new codex release rate.

The way I'm reading it's not a break in trend it's just doing what they always do showing the models the day the WD gets released, the y did it last year with the CSm release.

**frozenwastes**

BryllCream wrote:
So we're knocking GW for price increases that haven't even happened/may not ever happen? Awesome.

Can we also knock GW for causing the apocolypse and sinking the Belgrano?

What's the matter? You okay?

Don't you think the price of a new product being sold is part of the discussion of the release of that product?

**MetalOxide**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Because there totally was not precedent in how Dark Angels got treated the last time there was a C: SM after Dark Angels.

I don't see rumors about DA losing anything to the Marines this time though.

Really the bitching boiled down to the fact that they wanted the toys the Marines were getting, but don't want to share the ones they have. It was pathetic to see.

Well now all Space Marines can ally with each other so I don't get what the problem is...