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They also mention silicon molds, which means Poly Urethane.

That's still the thing that will make or break the game. The Amarant and Kelk are promising, but only if they're in HIPS or ABS.

I'm more interested in the rules over anything else, not like I don't have enough 28mm heroic scifi.

Hey everyone. Sorry I have been so silent this past week. Its been crazy busy. You have no idea how much work there is in getting a Kickstarter ready to launch. I know you guys have questions and I have been trying to answer them in the newsletters and on Facebook. It looks like some of the information is being passed along here to the forums so that is good.

I know you guys have been wanting to know what type of plastic we plan on using. I have been hesitant because the company we were talking with was being dodgy about the plastic they use....turns out they only use PVC. UHhh...well that sucks! As a result we dropped them as our manufacturer. And as of this weekend, I am proud to announce that we are looking at producing Polystyrene miniatures here in the USA. Unfortunately it also means we are going to lose our original plan to produce them on full sprue frames. I think this is a small tradeoff for the benefit of awesome high quality plastic we have all become accustom to with our premiere miniatures.

Its Ok if you share the OVERVIEW of the rules (just don't print the rules themselves) with the very clear understanding that they are in very early stage and everything with the rules are subject to change. Our plan is to have the rules ready for the public about the time the first batch of miniatures go out....Roughly 6 months from the completion of the Kickstarter. Our plan is also to release the rules for free. We will not be manufacturing books. The reason for this is simple. As game makers, the game rules and balance are important to us. We will not sacrifice good gameplay to sell miniatures. While I expect I will be very busy over the coming month, you can always email directly me with your questions and feedback: eric@kingmakergames.com (I will answer when I can)

About the races. I know everyone is not that excited about the humans. But its necessary when you are universe building to start with what you know and what is most familiar to people. And, a bit of a silver lining...once the Humans are out of the way, there are 5 alien races that we have planed for the immediate future. You know about the Kelk and Amarant. But there are two more races we have been showing our teaser images of. A Robot race and something a little more horrifying. And...there is one more race we haven't even shown early concept art for. So keep checking in to the Facebook page where we do frequent updates. Or sign up for the newsletter: http://www.kingmakergames.com/war-prime/

Thanks for you interest. I can't wait to show you what we have planed.

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your finding a PS manufacturer in the states, though I am curious as to why they will not be on frames.

Well it really should be interesting to find a PS manufacturer in the US but if it can be done that would kind of be nice, its nice to see some stuff made in the US instead of china all the time (unless it cant be avoided). Also the news about the other aliens is great! I will not be sold on the humans no matter what at this point it seems but I am really digging the other stuff. If Warprime could get some renders or something for the Kelks and Amarant up I think that would go a long way of really building confidence with the backers. If my trust is earned with those models then I can trust you guys to do well on the rest. Also as a side note I enjoy this blunt no nonsense attitude, it seems different then how other KS project leaders talk to the people. I find it refreshing and at least it seems like we are all kept up to date because of it. Maybe thats just me. Either way I will be waiting for Tuesday!

"...and something a little more horrifying."

So either Cthulu-aliens or something new! Please don't let it be Cthululiens. Either way, I'll be keeping an eye on this project.

Sprue-less polystyrene, yeah right.

Look its not that hard to find a producer in the U.S. There is a facility in Dayton, OH that does Revell models and did all the plastics for Mongoose when they had Starship Troopers.

Now you need to take your designs to a tooling engineer so he can lay out a mold. Won't be too hard as it sounds like you have half the work done for him already.

As long as it isn't Defiance Games that you're partnering up with, I'm still going to back this. Everyone else might not be interested in generic space men, but I sure as hell am! Bring 'em on!

Also, that "horrifying faction" is probably what that monstrous cyborg thing int he KS announcement art is from.

 WarPrime wrote:
I know you guys have been wanting to know what type of plastic we plan on using. I have been hesitant because the company we were talking with was being dodgy about the plastic they use....turns out they only use PVC. UHhh...well that sucks! As a result we dropped them as our manufacturer. And as of this weekend, I am proud to announce that we are looking at producing Polystyrene miniatures here in the USA. Unfortunately it also means we are going to lose our original plan to produce them on full sprue frames. I think this is a small tradeoff for the benefit of awesome high quality plastic we have all become accustom to with our premiere miniatures.

What do you mean by not "full sprue frames"? The issue remains that short of incidents like Mantic's Men at Arms being literal Chinese knock-offs of their original sculpts, polystyrene sprues are reliable. We've seen a lot of companies try to sell us alternatives to injection-moulded polystyrene sprues that are supposedly just as good while using cheaper moulds, and the results tend to be crap. If you're the exception to the rule, great, but that's why we're worried.

About the races. I know everyone is not that excited about the humans. But its necessary when you are universe building to start with what you know and what is most familiar to people.

Would someone like to come forward and say they are excited about the humans? I don't think the issue is that they're human - like I said, I'd love it if there were human heads included in the Amarant kits so we could have a human army in that style of armour - but that not everyone likes the Pauldrons! style of human armour we see here, in 40k and Starcraft, and in other places.

I can be sold on the human concepts at least.

I don't own much in the way of scifi stuff- I think I've got a whole five space marine models to my name, and my Enforcers who still aren't built from Deadzone.

I have no brand loyalty, so if the deal is good enough, and there's enough crap included, I'd be down for some humans, restic be damned. I'll find a use for them at some point or another.

Now if we start talking mechs and vehicles, even from just a modeling perspective, I'd be far more interested in giving the humans a fair shake...

 AlexHolker wrote:
Would someone like to come forward and say they are excited about the humans?

Check the post right above yours. I do believe I said I was excited for the humans. And I still am.

I too am liking the look of the humans, it's rather more practical and sci-fi than Space Marines, while still being a little ornate and slightly exaggerated. They look cool from the art, but so do the Kelk and Amarant.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Looking a bit like the Locusts from Gears Of War. Guess you can't win

KS in less than 24 hours! Let us hope they address a lot of the typical backer questions off the get to to prevent a lot of the confusion recent KS have suffered from. Also I hope for some more renders/models...


Can't wait!

Hopefully they'll show more renders/masters, and include a photograph with a ruler! These seem like basic things. Outside of video game kickstarters, you need more than concept art.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Hopefully they'll show more renders/masters, and include a photograph with a ruler! These seem like basic things. Outside of video game kickstarters, you need more than concept art.

They should just go the whole hog and get a line up wall made

Have a ruler n the middle, Then 2-3 models either side.

This should then be followed by photo shopped image with lines from the eyes or top of the heads(however your measuring) across the entire thing.

Yes- rulers, rulers, RULERS.

Just to continue letting the echo resonate in here- the more renders, sculpts, and concrete information, the better! Feed us every bit of info you guys have locked in place.

The locust comparison is apt, but these look better to me- more reptilian for one. Was never a fan of the bald heads of the locust. Or their names, for that matter. They look like lizards, not bugs!

Plus totally off topic, it's a shame we never saw a true GoW board game expansion with more of the weirder/ bigger locust stuff. The base game was pretty good! I'm not going to count the card expansions. I wanted plastic corpsers and brumaks!

Playing Devil's Avocado...

The artwork on the Aliens look great.

Seeing the space marines, with art that reaaallllyyy makes it look like a GW knock off it's going to be hard to get people excited, unless there's something special. I can think of probably a dozen companies that sell really great Space Marine style models right now, so being asked to back another one isn't something I think would get people excited.

It's going to be compared to Games Workshop. There's no avoiding that, and it's fair, especially considering the cover photo on the facebook.

But I'm still going to take a serious look when the kickstarter launches. It could be good, especially the alien races.

I'm digging this so far - but I also would like to see some examples (not renders) of the subject material.

It seems odd that they would rush to Kickstarter, when they haven't got a factory lined up?

Well I think they had a factory lined up but by the sounds of it the company was going to do it in PVC and they would not have that (good thing sticking to their guns about quality). I do find it a bit strange with the company snaffle but as long as they have renders and models out with rulers at the start of the KS, then I am fine. As long as they stick to quality I am good.

 Bonegrinder wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Looking a bit like the Locusts from Gears Of War. Guess you can't win

Maybe you picked a bad example pic. The only similarities I'm seeing there are grey skin and pointy teeth.

I really like the not-Orks/Krogans and not-Eldar/Asari, but the models shown so far are pretty bad. Hopefully it's just the paint job...

 Alex C wrote:
I really like the not-Orks/Krogans and not-Eldar/Asari, but the models shown so far are pretty bad. Hopefully it's just the paint job...

You do know that those models are 3D-printed early prototypes, right? The final models should look much better, if they're made by a company that knows what its doing.

~Tim?

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
I really like the not-Orks/Krogans and not-Eldar/Asari, but the models shown so far are pretty bad. Hopefully it's just the paint job...

You do know that those models are 3D-printed early prototypes, right? The final models should look much better, if they're made by a company that knows what its doing.

~Tim?

Then I look forward to seeing examples that show that they can produce better, or news of securing a quality manufacturer. Until then I will continue to judge the product by what they have shown so far.

With this starting tomorrow, I certainly hope they've got all their ducks in a row, especially since we all know if they don't Dakka will be a frothy mess with talk of pledges being pulled... before they've even pledged even.

There was talk of vehicles if funding hits high enough too. I want to see those walkers and 4 legged tanks!

Remember- rulers with your figures lined up with the industry standard mug shots!

So i have been talking to the devs for a few days now, and i am going to give my 2 cents on the matter.

As many have mentioned, right now the game looks like a bland 40k-clone, so i thought that the rules might be what would make this game different. After having read the rules however, i don't see what this game has going for it that the other hundreds of similar sci-fi games out there don't have. At the same time the devs seem to be very new to wargaming, and i am not sure that they know much about the wargaming scene or understand the difficulties of wargaming as a business.

Thus they are going to have to show something really impressive in this kickstarter to convince me that this is more than just another generic sci-fi wargame.

For those of you interested in the rules, i was asked not to show them in public, but right now they are almost a carbon-copy of the "aegis" house-rules. These were spawned from a "fixing-40k" thread on dakka 1-2 months ago: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/592293.page

LOL, $40k funding goal...

Coincidence?

Also, yet another mini gaming KS that fails to have rules, video and size comparisons (i.e. The three things everyone wants to know before pledging which anyone remotely familiar with a gaming KS should be aware of) in place BEFORE launching the campaign...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericsexton/war-prime-tabletop-miniatures

- No Rules
- No Mention of actual material used
- Unrealistic Funding Goal