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Ahh, I thought someone had said we'd see the rules out, well trial rules, by december or something.

 GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, I thought someone had said we'd see the rules out, well trial rules, by december or something.

I think trial rules were originally intended to be a bonus part of DZ2. It was unclear from yesterday's seminar whether that would still be the case, or whether it'll be a separate announcement at some point.

 GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, I thought someone had said we'd see the rules out, well trial rules, by december or something.

I knew I hadn't imagined it Ronnie says it here at 1:26:50 he also mentioned it somewhere else I can't recall right now.

http://www.ohiohammer.com/blog/?p=2148

 DaveC wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, I thought someone had said we'd see the rules out, well trial rules, by december or something.

I knew I hadn't imagined it Ronnie says it here at 1:26:50 he also mentioned it somewhere else I can't recall right now.

http://www.ohiohammer.com/blog/?p=2148

I can't see that at the moment, I did just sit through TheBeastsofWar Weekender: Ronnie Renton Talks Kings Of War & More!. Almost an hour of it is Ronnie talking, KoW2, DBE, DZ, DZ2, and Warpath. Warpath discussion starts 1:11:11.

Warpath is not going to be KoW in space, but still wants to be fast, simple, intutive.
Breaking the unit more important than casualties.
There will be wounds and suppression.
Taking over buildings, gaining ground, and objectives, likely to be a focus of game play.
He does say "end of the year" after DZ2, and DZ2 is January 2015
Quick start rules for free he is discussing are for DeadZone.

I think the implication was that although there won't be a public release of Warpath until 2016, the KS project to get it done is likely to be the third of three they do next year - three in a year is enough it seems, though I guess there's always the chance they'll do a 4th if they get another licence like Mars Attacks.

An outside IP isn't likely. Ronnie didn't rule it out on Saturday, but developing their own IP is their main focus.

I could easily see warpath a year out, dz2 has to be completed so that they can sell the plastic sprues in the warpath ks.

Plus it looks like there could be maybe seven plastic infantry sprues ready for when it launches? It could end up being a hugeks.

I've just watche the BoW Weekender, and I have to say the way Ronnie described the whole buildings clearing aspect of WP 2.0 sounds exactly like old school Space Marine writ big.

I didn't think I could get more excited for WP, but there you go.

Yeah if they've already got a fair amount of the core infantry tooled and the kickstarter is focusing on even more hard plastic and especially vehicles... boom.


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How did the building clearing work in short? Are the buildings solid structures that don't require an interior to be modeled and then there's some form of rolling going on?

Watched BOW with Ronnie. Glad to hear I was wrong about the Asterian HIPS troopers being considered only for Warpath; sounds like they're going to be an "if we get that far" item for Deadzone 2.0 first.

 GrimDork wrote:

How did the building clearing work in short? Are the buildings solid structures that don't require an interior to be modeled and then there's some form of rolling going on?

You're probably better watching the video than have me do a half-arsed job of explaining it (the 1:20 mark or thereabouts). But the gist as far as I can grasp it is if a squad can move 6" into a building they can contest it, cue internal firefight if an enemy force is inside with windows blowing out and bodies falling from the heights etc etc, and then the buildings become defendable firepoints, and as such are import topographical features in board control.

In short: invest in Drakkarim fireteams.

Ahh, way ahead of you there I'll have to leave some of my DZ terrain free in case it serves well as intact buildings to contest.

 GrimDork wrote:
Ahh, way ahead of you there I'll have to leave some of my DZ terrain free in case it serves well as intact buildings to contest.

Way ahead of you

That's a nice table surface, and the scenery fits it well. I don't have enough done to really brag about it so I'll give you the round

Ha! Bluffed, that's all I had!

Actually no, I have more, but it does fit surprisingly well onto the 'average' grass/mud board scheme. Throw on some trees and you have a prefab colony on the edge of a logging forest.

Yeah the multi deadzone mats almost draw down your creativity a bit as they kind of slave your thinking into squares and cubes. I don't really have much of a fantasy board anymore but I may have to try setting my DZ terrain up on what's left of it to see how it looks.

Also, finishing some more terrain would be appropriate =/

Speaking of using DZ terrain on a regular board, when I was stuck ona train the otehr day I started theorising how to adapt DZ rules to a freeform board, I could kinda see how it could be done, mostly using the 3" cube idea as a measuring stick, basically using 3" as the standard measurement. So a short move was 3". a run 6", any weapon with a 6 cube range was 18", any blast weapon which effected one cube was a 3" blast radius, and so on.

Playing a 4x4 surface (such as the above board, I'd probably increase the blast radii and movement just to make up for what would be a more sparse board, but I reckon it could work.

Anyway, I was just thinking in some spare time.

One cube effect would be a 1,5" blast radius, but fair enough
I think a few people on here discussed playing Deadzone like that about a year ago already - from what i recall they said it works pretty well.

Love the new DZ stuff coming up!

Had to drop out of KoW, but will definitely be back for DZ2!

 GrimDork wrote:
How did the building clearing work in short? Are the buildings solid structures that don't require an interior to be modelled and then there's some form of rolling going on?

They are handled in a fairly abstract way. I guess if you were thinking a cross between area terrain and entering a transport vehicle you would be thinking along the right lines (actually this is true of a lot of terrain). Disclaimer: many things could change between now and release, do not treat this as gospel but my personal feeling is that the interaction between units and terrain is well handled.

Could be similar to how Dropzone Commander handles buildings and iinfantry. If so I'm hoping we can destroy said buildings with the infantry still in it!

I've not had the chance to watch the weekenders yet, but it does sound fairly similar so far to the breach and clear rules BOW were discussing that were in the Aftermath game

 Alpharius wrote:
Those new terrain pieces look promising!

As the sculptor of Mantic's plastic terrain kits, I approve of this sentiment.

Evil & Chaos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those new terrain pieces look promising!

As the sculptor of Mantic's plastic terrain kits, I approve of this sentiment.

Oh. Hello.

While we have you here. PVC pipe is cheap in any home improvement store. I'd prefer not to waste sprue space on those large tubes when they're readily available elsewhere.

Our pipes are going to have pretty end caps & details, though. :-p

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Evil & Chaos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those new terrain pieces look promising!

As the sculptor of Mantic's plastic terrain kits, I approve of this sentiment.

Oh. Hello.

While we have you here. PVC pipe is cheap in any home improvement store. I'd prefer not to waste sprue space on those large tubes when they're readily available elsewhere.

Battlezones can easily be made out of foamboard and cardboard, no way they'll be a big seller, right?

Oh, wait...

I, too, would prefer a larger range or more volume of smaller gubbins, but I also know that I won't complain about having large details pipes when it comes down to it.

Nice work on the terrain, fancy stuff, I own far too much.

Evil & Chaos wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Those new terrain pieces look promising!

As the sculptor of Mantic's plastic terrain kits, I approve of this sentiment.

Oh man. MAKE MORE INDUSTRIAL NECROMUNDA-ISH TERRAIN PLEASE, I LOVE IT *cough* sorry about that.

 Alex C wrote:

Battlezones can easily be made out of foamboard and cardboard, no way they'll be a big seller, right?

Oh, wait...

That's a stupid comparison. Buying battlezones saves you a lot of time and effort compared to scratch building, buying Mantic pipes will have a lot less payoff. Apart from probably nicely connecting to battlezone panels at end points, there won't be any additional functionality. Given that resources are limited, I'd rather have something with a better development cost vs hobby value added ratio.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

Battlezones can easily be made out of foamboard and cardboard, no way they'll be a big seller, right?

Oh, wait...

That's a stupid comparison. Buying battlezones saves you a lot of time and effort compared to scratch building, buying Mantic pipes will have a lot less payoff. Apart from probably nicely connecting to battlezone panels at end points, there won't be any additional functionality. Given that resources are limited, I'd rather have something with a better development cost vs hobby value added ratio.

Perhaps the pipes will have a lot of functionality with the battlezone kits and higher levels of detail than a bit of pipe from the hardware store will.

The comparison is no more stupid than instantly dismissing something as a waste of time and resources just because a similar thing exists somewhere else.

You've got to realize they are selling a "sci fi industrial terrain set". A prominent feature of sci fi industrial terrain is massive fething pipes. If they DON'T have massive fething pipes in there, and say "here's everything but the massive fething pipes, which you need to go and buy at the hardware store", then that is a terrible marketing move.

Edit : Looking at the pipes more, there's all kinds of detail on there. You gonna add that to your hardware store pipes? Your job lot of conduit is to the Mantic pipes is as foamboard is to Battlezone tiles...