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There is nothing really wrong with the sculpts, on the whole they are decent. The issue that I have with them is that some of their poses are quite unnatural, or maybe its just the way that I assembled them.

Making them a 2 piece model should fix that though.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
There is nothing really wrong with the sculpts, on the whole they are decent. The issue that I have with them is that some of their poses are quite unnatural, or maybe its just the way that I assembled them.

Making them a 2 piece model should fix that though.

Good to know. I think the heavy infantry and maybe another two sharks are my next purchases anyway.

Someone should run a news thread in N&R for Warzone. There's been a bunch of releases coming out recently, including the beautiful Nasca Razides, that I completely missed. Think I'm gonna buy 9, just to convert them. Been in love with the design since I was a wee lad drooling over 1st edition Warzone rulebook illustrated by Paul Bonner.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Someone should run a news thread in N&R for Warzone. There's been a bunch of releases coming out recently, including the beautiful Nasca Razides, that I completely missed. Think I'm gonna buy 9, just to convert them. Been in love with the design since I was a wee lad drooling over 1st edition Warzone rulebook illustrated by Paul Bonner.

Yes, someone should.

[Looks at HMV.]

[Continues to look at HMV.]

[Waits...]

Well HMV, it appears you've been marked!

IMO the Banshees suffer from badly proportioned arms and head plus weird poses.

For some guys wearing a helmet plus mask the heads are too small, I'm not asking for 1ed heads mind you but for bigger ones that look like a human wearing a helmet not a skin tight facemask. Arms have the same problem, too thin, no muscle no armor, more suitable on a fashion model than on a soldier, especially when compared against the legs that are encased in heavier armor.

You can see more examples of this on other KS models like the Hussars.

M.

Luckily the Banshees are going to get the resculpt treatment. I purchased the new Bauhaus starter at PAW last weekend and I will assemble some of the new Hussars and take a picture alongside the old ones.

Also on the topic of the news thread Big Jim used to run the (consolidated Prodos) news thread but it hasn't been updated in a while. Maybe it could be.. heh.. resurrected.

 Miguelsan wrote:
IMO the Banshees suffer from badly proportioned arms and head plus weird poses.

I don't think that they are badly proportioned, in general Prodos make very well proportioned human models (the original Hussars were an exception). The heads are about the right size, they simply have a giant skull faceplate but then they are supposed to. Similarly the arms are about the right size for a fit human. Some of the poses are poor though, that's for certain.

Does anyone know the usual format for Warzone official tournaments? There is a big one at the UK games Expo which I would like to go to but the link for the tournament pack doesn't work; there is little besides the tournament announcement on their Facebook page and their forum has apparently been abandoned.

 Alpharius wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Someone should run a news thread in N&R for Warzone. There's been a bunch of releases coming out recently, including the beautiful Nasca Razides, that I completely missed. Think I'm gonna buy 9, just to convert them. Been in love with the design since I was a wee lad drooling over 1st edition Warzone rulebook illustrated by Paul Bonner.

Yes, someone should.

[Looks at HMV.]

[Continues to look at HMV.]

[Waits...]

Well damn. I'm terrible with things like that. Might give it a try though.

I was going to do it later today but if you have been shamed into it be my guest

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Someone should run a news thread in N&R for Warzone. There's been a bunch of releases coming out recently, including the beautiful Nasca Razides, that I completely missed. Think I'm gonna buy 9, just to convert them. Been in love with the design since I was a wee lad drooling over 1st edition Warzone rulebook illustrated by Paul Bonner.

Yes, someone should.

[Looks at HMV.]

[Continues to look at HMV.]

[Waits...]

Well damn. I'm terrible with things like that. Might give it a try though.

No worries!

We just need someone who is into the game and paying attention to start the thread so that they can, for the most part, help keep it up to date!

Any kind soul can do it!

Let's go [Someone]! Dakka Dakka NEEDS YOU!

My local store carries the full line of models. A lot of people bought into the game and it was going strong for awhile but slowly people started going back to infinity and warmahordes. I personally lost interest just from the lack of player base even after introducing the game to several people. I kept running into the I'd rather play infinity wall. Ive never played in infinity so I don't know how similar they are.

I have updated my first post in this thread with some new information on the starters - the Mishima and Capitol starters have been updated with tweaked infantry sculpts but the composition of those starters has not changed. This means that you are safe to buy either of the starters without worrying about them being replaced.

I was an early backer of this project and am a Crusader, I will also give an unbiased in a nutshell review for you with the good and the bad.

Sculpt quality- as has been mentioned, yeah sculpts were and are excellent. A lot of detail has been put into these guys. It was really hard for me to limit myself as I am a visual based person with hobby first. I absolutely choose models based on how they look as opposed to rules. There are exceptions to everything. In several of the forces, the troopers in my opinion are nothing special or to me look boring, but the other units are flipping awesome. Dark Legion and Cybertronic have this problem for me. I really don't like the line base troops, especially since I really liked last editions Chassuers. But the armored guys, the medium support are better looking than anything else in the line. The Death Egg is monstrous and likely the best looking model in the game, a shame the Orca is almost as good if not better for cheaper. Other lines just look fantastic, Imperial is all round well done.

Problems come in with the quality of the molds, the early stuff was insanely hard to put together. Too many fiddly bits and they came together in kind of awkward positions. Imperial as a later faction came together much easier although the Blood Berets still look awkward. They also are heroic scale compared to the rest of the line which leans more towards true scale. Also they were made with a resin which would bend under its own weight. I still haven't figured out why they chose to put Purple Sharks on a resin flight stand instead of a plastic stand. Both of my Purple sharks are bent to 90 degrees just from sitting on my desk for a few months.

Rules: The rules are fairly easy to follow. It looks like the FAQ which I haven't seen either has tamed a few of the units which I thought were very OP. Vehicles seem to be very powerful, almost game breakingly so. I have not actually used the cards outside of resource cards either. In all the groups I have played in, it was usually as intro games and that kept the game from being more complicated. Resource cards only work great to figure out the game. Another change in the FAQ I heard about is if the warlord dies you don't lose all of his resource cards which is nice.

Overall: I really enjoy this game and wish my time wasn't as limited as it was to enjoy playing it more. The staff of this game are highly energetic. The US boss is a very vocal guy and is very interactive in the group in pushing the game. He is off at the Las Vegas Open as we speak. It seems to be doing very well in Europe so I don't think we will see a repeat of the last several editions. Then again those editions did well too, it was stuff above the game company level that brought them down, you know parent company going under, owner having a heart attack and family issues, that kind of thing. I don't know what Prodos's standing is as a business and if they are owned by anyone major, but they seem to be doing well and growing. The quality seems to be ever improving on all fronts and I see more and more from Europe and hope to see more and more here. They have some of the nicest miniatures on the market at really good prices and very solid rules requiring few tweaks.

My only critique really for them was a schedule of what to expect in the near future, not dates just whats upcoming.

I finally finished assembling my Capitol and you can really see the improving cast quality.

The Light Infantry were bought at Salute last year and have quite a lot of quite serious issues, most significantly mould slippage but also air bubbles and obliterated detail. My Banshees were bought at Bovington last summer and are noticeably improved but still below the quality line as far as I am concerned.

The Heavy infantry were bought before Christmas and the only real issue with them is that nearly all the barrels are bent (easily fixed with hot water though). I bought Henry Thomas a couple of weeks ago and the cast is flawless, aside from some minor flash.

Hopefully this means that Prodos now know what they are doing.

To add to the cast quality discussion, I recently received the new Nasca Razides. Pristine, crisp cast with a few somewhat exotic flaws.

It seems Prodos is using extremely soft moulds for their resin, because the models I got had essentially zero mould lines, and yet several spots had stepping, maybe a quarter of a millimetre in height. Almost as if the mould didn't align correctly on a half a centimetre section, but perfectly everywhere else. Easy to remove, but Razides are rather big and bulky. Might be a different story on infantry sized miniatures.

And here's a Razide, because why not.

Prodos have just updated the eratta, main rules and faction guides (not Imperial) so direct links to the new versions are below:

Game rules v1.4 + Dark Legion, Bauhaus, Brotherhood, Capitol, Cybertronic and Mishima unit profiles
Imperial unit profiles
Eratta v1.4
Heroes of the Solar System v1.0 - Improved hero creation rules, new units for all factions
Unit, Resource and Game cards

They've reposted the rules, it appears. Your link didn't work:
http://calc.prodos.co.uk/photos/game_and_factions.zip

I got the 1.2 rules PDF a while ago, and it was missing the vehicles section. This 1.4 version has them, so that's nice

My club has a visit or 2 from a rep, and lots of us bought a starter set. It went pretty well, and the mood about the game was good.
That was the last I saw WZR at the club :(

Mymearan wrote:
They only use retailers that have physical stores.

Miniature Market always had a physical store from what I can gather?

 Azazelx wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
They only use retailers that have physical stores.

Miniature Market always had a physical store from what I can gather?

Miniature Market has decided not to carry the line, its just as simple as that. I am the US sales manager for Prodos, we are working hard to get more US retail coverage daily.

 BDJV wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Mymearan wrote:
They only use retailers that have physical stores.

Miniature Market always had a physical store from what I can gather?

Miniature Market has decided not to carry the line, its just as simple as that. I am the US sales manager for Prodos, we are working hard to get more US retail coverage daily.

Doesn't Warstore also have a physical store ? Did they not want to have anything to do with it or were they just not willing to accept Prodos terms ?

The Warstore has opted not to carry at this time. I will hit them and Miniature Market for a second round of talks once AvP gets its retail release.

I wish The Big Two would carry Warzone - I don't have any retails in my area, so I have to get most of my stuff online anyway...

Iv'e been getting my WZR stuff from Noble Knight Games state side. I haven't had any issues with ordering from them and they've gotten the new stuff in relatively quickly.

Hey guys, checking in here. I play Capitol and Dark Legion. Love the new format and the models. Hope to see more players getting into as well.

and as a tease to you guys, (I'm a Crusader) I just got hold of the new rules and stats for the RPG characters that are coming out for WZ that can be used as Lords in the WZR games. Some of you players are going to be pretty happy, and that's all I am allowed to say!!!

Hi

No activity in this thread .
Prodos get all the hate for the alien vs predator KS mishandling , and warzone pay for this ?

saluti

I have a game tomorrow. I'll do a battle report and post it :-)


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Dark legion 1000pt (996pts)
Dark Legion (Standard Game) (996pts)
Warlord (190pts)
Golgotha (190pts)
Indigestion (15pts)
Name R ST RoA AVV Type
Horitsa's Spine 1,5 +1 6 0 Piercing
Necrotech Claw 1,5 +2 2 6 Piercing
Name R ST RoF AVV Type
Psychic Scream FT 15 1 - Psychic (S)
Lord (105pts)
Nepharite (105pts)
Indigestion (15pts)
Name R ST RoA AVV Type
Azogar 2,5 +4 4 2 Piercing
Name M CC RS ST CON WP LD W A Ref
Nepharite 5 15 14 10 12 16 16 2 13(11) Warzone Heroes of The Solar System p18
Name R ST RoF AVV Type
Fist of malice 18 15 2 2 Piercing (A)
Troop (451pts)
Necromutants Squad (147pts)
7x Necromutant (147pts)
Name R ST RoA AVV Type
Bayonet B2B +2 2 2 Piercing
Name M CC RS ST CON WP LD W A Ref
Necromutants Squad 6 13 13 9 8 15 17 1 14 Warzone Resurrection p274
Name R ST RoF AVV Type
Belzarach Assault Rifle 24 13 2 1 Piercing (A)
Undead Legionnaires Squad (152pts)
Necromutant Leader Squad Commander (20pts), 10x Undead Legionnaire (100pts), 4x Valcheck HMG (32pts)
Name R ST RoA AVV Type
Necroblade 1 +2 2 1 Piercing
Name R ST RoF AVV Type
Belzarach Assault Rifle 24 13 2 1 Piercing (A)
Kratach Assault Rifle 24 12 1 0 Piercing (A)
Undead Legionnaires Squad (152pts)
Necromutant Leader Squad Commander (20pts), 10x Undead Legionnaire (100pts), 4x Valcheck HMG (32pts)
Name R ST RoA AVV Type
Necroblade 1 +2 2 1 Piercing
Name R ST RoF AVV Type
Belzarach Assault Rifle 24 13 2 1 Piercing (A)
Kratach Assault Rifle 24 12 1 0 Piercing (A)
Light Vehicle/Monster (250pts)
Praetorian Behemoth (250pts)
Statistics
Units Models Upgrades
Dark Legion (Standard Game) 30x 892pts 89.55% 5x 585pts 58.73% 10x 94pts 9.43%
Warlord 1x 190pts 19.07% 1x 190pts 19.07% 1x 15pts 1.50%
Lord 1x 105pts 10.54% 1x 105pts 10.54% 1x 15pts 1.50%
Troop 27x 347pts 34.83% 2x 40pts 4.01% 8x 64pts 6.42%
Light Vehicle/Monster 1x 250pts 25.10% 1x 250pts 25.10% 0x 0pts 0%
Roster 30x 892pts 89.55% 5x 585pts 58.73% 10x 94pts 9.43%

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Copy and pasted from battlescribe on my phone. I'm thinking of using this list tomorrow. Might do my Capitol instead though.

Please post that report - this is still a game I'm considering getting into!

I am having trouble figuring out what I like to play. Unfortunately I never pick factions because of their play-style (I know a mistake) which has bit me before when the play-style doesn't match mine. I tend to pick something that looks cool, all about the rule of cool. ^_^

With that in mind there is definitely some choices to make because I can't find a faction where I like everything. I either like the heroes, but not the troops or I like the troops but not the heroes. There does appear to be vast differences in factions that dont' exactly make their miniatures blend well together.

For example Imperial Troops, I love the Grey Ghosts. When you compare them with their other support brethren Mourning Wolves, Imperial Life Dragoons, Golden Lions.... the looks are completely different. The same thing goes for Troopers, Trenchers style is completely different than the Mourning Wolves. Mourning Wolves could match Wolfbane Commandos if the wolves didn't have bare legs. Sure I could make them skin tights instead with painting, but that is what makes my troop building difficult.

I know I'm probably the oddball out there.

Don't worry so much about the characters. Points wise it's cheaper to create your own character using the HOTSS rules. I just use Golgotha because she's kick ass for the price. I play Capitol and dark legion, and my next army will be brotherhood, because I played them in first ed.