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Asterios wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Maybe we wait and see if the PB's hat gets filled this Gencon so they can report they can continue with their wave 2 due to more funds?...

something tells me sales this GenCon will not be as good as PB hopes they are, RRT is no longer new, its been out in the wild for almost a year, so hope they are not counting on the sales of those.

Notice I said "hat" it will be more a donation than a sale.
The only logical thing to talk about at a GenCon is what is "new" I am sure they will get sick and tired of being asked if any new Robotech will be out... oh yeah, they will flog GHQ stuff... my bad.

 Talizvar wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Maybe we wait and see if the PB's hat gets filled this Gencon so they can report they can continue with their wave 2 due to more funds?...

something tells me sales this GenCon will not be as good as PB hopes they are, RRT is no longer new, its been out in the wild for almost a year, so hope they are not counting on the sales of those.

Notice I said "hat" it will be more a donation than a sale.
The only logical thing to talk about at a GenCon is what is "new" I am sure they will get sick and tired of being asked if any new Robotech will be out... oh yeah, they will flog GHQ stuff... my bad.

what will we have new Robotech stuff? sure right here we have these lovely new Robotech goodies available for you to buy right now.

 warboss wrote:


Those alpha monstrosities ARE the destroids. They just stole the alpha's head and shouldersTM.

that Alpha looking batteloid is not an Alpha?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


OK this is going off my memory but I asked similar questions in the KS and it seemed there were 3 nos

No derived works/mecha that did not appear in the cartoon
No conventional vehicles, even if fictional ones from the cartoon
No people/faces (full armor/helmets were OK)

But who knows what's going on behind the scenes, as I said the whole Robotech/Macross etc IP situations is FUBAR and I understand there's friction between Harmony Gold (may they soon go bankrupt) and Palladium b/c HG would much rather have made a mini game themselves and feel that Palladium is abusing their RPG license.

conventional vehicles is one thing since they are already vehicles existing in the public view, meanwhile you notice none of the "Official" Robotech style vehicles like the Comanchero and the Cat's Eye Recon are available, as to faces, there is no faces on any of the minis shown to date.

Asterios wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Those alpha monstrosities ARE the destroids. They just stole the alpha's head and shouldersTM.

that Alpha looking batteloid is not an Alpha?

Yup, those are the new non-transformable destroids... the successors to those mouth watering 24 piece models you have.

 warboss wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Those alpha monstrosities ARE the destroids. They just stole the alpha's head and shouldersTM.

that Alpha looking batteloid is not an Alpha?

Yup, those are the new non-transformable destroids... the successors to those mouth watering 24 piece models you have.

so in other words PB is getting lazy ? or cheap ?

Getting?

 warboss wrote:
Getting?

truly?

My point is that they're not "getting" cheap and lazy... they've been that way for decades. Tactics was a brief beacon of hope soon dimmed.

I need only say dice bags, T-shirts, dog tags and mouse pads.

I think the last Robotech RPG sourcebook was in 2012, the Genesis Pits book.

This long winded but interesting article I keep coming back to:
https://sites.google.com/site/pbpubprobs/
Palladium has been in a general state of decline since 2003, releasing fewer products with each passing year. Christmas Surprise Packages (<edit>and in July now!), Rifter subscription drives, Open Houses, auctions, and branded merchandise are gradually supplanting the publication of new RPG books as its primary source of revenue. It frequently resorts to self-cannibalization by reprinting, repackaging, and revising titles from its back catalogue. Perhaps the most significant challenge Palladium faces is its caricature of a release schedule. How did things go so wrong? How did it become renowned more for what it has not published, rather than what it has?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


OK this is going off my memory but I asked similar questions in the KS and it seemed there were 3 nos

No derived works/mecha that did not appear in the cartoon
No conventional vehicles, even if fictional ones from the cartoon
No people/faces (full armor/helmets were OK)

But who knows what's going on behind the scenes, as I said the whole Robotech/Macross etc IP situations is FUBAR and I understand there's friction between Harmony Gold (may they soon go bankrupt) and Palladium b/c HG would much rather have made a mini game themselves and feel that Palladium is abusing their RPG license.

I think that they wrote somewhere in the recent updates or murmurs or whatever that they were able to work out some new stuff with Harmony Gold that gives PB more freedom. I think this has to do directly with the new movie deal and who has rights to do what, now. The conventional units, the Breetai with face that we are supposedly going to see, this came after the new movie deal that HG has.

Also, HG cannot do derivative works of Macross, but are free to do so with the other two series. I'm sure that's where the "no derivative work" answer comes from.

1. During the KS PB did not think they could do the vehicles. That changed later on.

2. Remember the update with the Commanchero that was promptly taken back? They will be coming out with those and more. Probably the Commanchero, Cat's Eye, Dragon II and more.

3. Not sure where we are with the faces thing. Once I have minis in hand I will let you know. I'll take some pictures and post them on my google drive for everyone. I did not have the cash to get some but someone will send me a few after we did some horse trading. Should be on the way soon with GenCon starting.

4. I think the idea of derived mecha will not matter much since parts can be made without a problem. We already have the optional arms for the Defender and the Super Stuff for the VT. Making some custom stuff available online will not be hard.

5. I really need a good stand in for a Gnerl. Any ideas?

I think we might be considered trolls by the White Knights and Kevvy Wevvy's Fan Favourites for daring to question where wave 2 is.

Anyone else getting that feeling?







From Facebook today.

How dare the peasants question their glorious Palladium overlords!

** Jazz Hands! **

feth you Thomas Roache, you are scum. I hope you read this,
I apologised once, you kept going. You're just as much to blame as Palladium and ND. It's not the backers fault this is so late, is it?

Actually, Tom is correct. The most annoying thing about this kickstarter is Palladium just camping there on the kickstarter without any public progress on what is already on track to be more than two years late. And, with the last update, they're actively trolling backers as well. I don't think that is what he meant though.

Joyboozer wrote:
It's not the backers fault this is so late, is it?

but it is since we did not praise the game to the moon and laud its creators and buy lots more product, I had plans of buying lots more but then saw the gak we got and said forget it.

You need to listen to Tinkerroache! Clap harder, you motherfethers! CLAP HARDER!

Ok, now that I've had some time to mull over the pictures, I think they are very poor designs.

Though I like the "modern" look, the destroids can be too easily mistaken for alpha/beta variants. They also look too much like Gundam designs, not Robotech.

If these were going to truly be used in the Robotech world you would want them to have a distinct design so they are NOT confused as alphas/betas. Just like you can tell that a Tomahawk is NOT a Veritech, you should be able to tell that the "new" Tomahawk is not Alpha fighter, but a non-transformable battloid. These designs just do not fit.

It's like trying to slip Star Wars style starfighters into Star Trek.

Another swing and a miss for PB.

Funny how the new Tomahawk has the shoulder launcher turned sideways like the new Warhammer in Battletech.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Funny how the new Tomahawk has the shoulder launcher turned sideways like the new Warhammer in Battletech.

It looked to me like the launcher went up to a 9 missile launcher. Now I have to go look again.

 megatrons2nd wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
Funny how the new Tomahawk has the shoulder launcher turned sideways like the new Warhammer in Battletech.

It looked to me like the launcher went up to a 9 missile launcher. Now I have to go look again.

You're right, it's 9 now.

 Stormonu wrote:
Ok, now that I've had some time to mull over the pictures, I think they are very poor designs.

Though I like the "modern" look, the destroids can be too easily mistaken for alpha/beta variants. They also look too much like Gundam designs, not Robotech.

If these were going to truly be used in the Robotech world you would want them to have a distinct design so they are NOT confused as alphas/betas. Just like you can tell that a Tomahawk is NOT a Veritech, you should be able to tell that the "new" Tomahawk is not Alpha fighter, but a non-transformable battloid. These designs just do not fit.

It's like trying to slip Star Wars style starfighters into Star Trek.

Another swing and a miss for PB.

Agreed. However (And a big IF) these are supposed to be actual military vehicles, a comonnality of design makes sense. The more common the components, the easier they are to maintain and the higher the percentage of time you can keep them in service. Having large numbers of common components means you need more of them and economics of scale mean each component becomes cheaper.

Having said that, you could do that for the functional components and have the outer skins and armour being different to ensure they are easily differentiated on the battlefield - although that also means your enemy can easily work out which are the biggest threat and concentrate fire on those to cripple you.

Still, don't see why you have a small hand alongside a large cannon, and they certainly don't yell "Robotech" to me, think they look more "Heavy Gear" and glad they are not included in the KS, much prefer the classic designs anyway.

OTOH, consider how the US procure s military hardware, and how much commonality is present. Compare AFVs, fixed wing and rotary. What is common?

But that's not the point,is it!

I was not comparing a Tomahawk to a VF-0D. I was comparing an old Tomahawk to a new one.

How many elements were common between the Spitfire MkI and the MkII, how many were still there in the MkIII and IV? I was not comparing how many elements are common between the Lightning and a Hind.

Although using common components make sense, just ripping the head off one 'vehicle' and putting it on another does not. I was talking at the component level, rather than the whole.

Edited for clarity.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
But that's not the point,is it!

I was not comparing a Tomahawk to a VF-0D. I was comparing an old Tomahawk to a new one.

How many elements were common between the Spitfire MkI and the MkII, how many were still there in the MkIII and IV? I was not comparing how many elements are common between the Lightning and a Hind.

Although using common components make sense, just ripping the head off one 'vehicle' and putting it on another does not. I was talking at the component level, rather than the whole.

Edited for clarity.

whats the commonality between the old school "F" series fighters compared to the new "F" series fighters?

why does the Tomahawk resculpt have hands on the inside part of his cannon arms, whats he to grab and how? why does one of them look like an Alpha Fighter? where is the ammo/power supply to the new defenders cannons kept? in a truck it tows? since only room in the mech itself for one quick little burst.

Also whats the commonality between a Wileys and a Hummer which succeeded it?

Forar, don't forget to politely but firmly interview palladium on camera about wave 2! I suspect they'll have nothing to show for wave 2 though that is new but rather I suspect they'll just put up the same prototype minis they were showing off two years ago when they actually were visibly working on something.

Also, can someone snap a few pics both the zentraedi pods and the new cyclones in the Robotech Marines RPG book? I'm curious to see how they've changed visually.

Just for comparison, these are the Invid age destroids from the old Sentinels book. I do think the new ones look a tad better.

BTW, I'm guessing on the Defender that it's moved from ballistic ammunition to pure laser weapon powered by its main power plant - like a battlepod, which doesn't have a huge power supply for its particle cannons.

Tomahawk/Warhammer/Excalibur


Phalanx/Longbow/Spartan


Defender/Rifleman/Raidar-X


Spartan/Archer/Gladiator


Monster/ /Mac III

Turns out PB has a 30% sale on RRT product at their booth. It's even in the Gencon coupon booklet.

Only managed to go past the booth a few times but can't say business is hopping.
https://imgur.com/8pRwnos,N9EE9of,K1WATov#2
The first time I passed by, some people were looking at RRT
https://imgur.com/8pRwnos,N9EE9of,K1WATov#1
2nd time however, all these little 30% post-it notes started appearing on their RRT product...

I'm sure the post-con report will be all rainbow farts ("everyone told us how much they loved the products!") and sunshine ("the booth was hopping every day!"). The reality is likely somewhere in between. If you happen to see a copy of the Robotech RPG marine book open to the pages with the zentraedi pods and/or new cyclones, I wouldn't mind a preview pic from a distance (to not make out the stats of course!).

Everything discounted or just the main box?

Everything according to the pic of the coupon.

even the white knights have to agree this does not bode well if all of RRT is already 30% off on first day.