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2016/12/24 06:47:49
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
lord_blackfang wrote: Just back from the theater. Really good movie. Good retcon of the stupid exhaust port.
That wasn't a retcon. They just explained why such an obvious design flaw was overlooked.
Retroactive continuity actually makes changes to previous works like in A New Hope when Obi Wan tells Luke that Luke's father was murdered by Darth Vader then in The Empire Strikes Back, Vader is revealed to actually be Anakin. Another Empire retcon is when Luke and Leia are suddenly brother and sister when they clearly weren't in A New Hope.
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2016/12/24 10:08:56
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Anyone who's ever picked up a Star Wars novel, played a Star Wars video game, or wiped their poop-hole with Star Wars toilet paper probably knows that the beloved franchise has a crazy huge extended universe.
There's almost no element of the movies that the Star Wars Expanded Universe didn't devote an entire story to, from all the weirdos at Jabba's Palace to the raging awkwardness of Luke and Leia's twin-cestuous flirtation. So it's not surprising that a lot of the writers hired to add on to the George Lucas' saga also saw it fit to try to fix some of the things that didn't totally add up.
Take, for example, the Death Star's fatal weakness: that thermal exhaust port. Isn't it kind of insane that nobody noticed that one torpedo to this small hole would cause the whole station to explode like some kind of Samsung product?
Well, the aptly titled novel Death Star goes into detail about the construction of the station, and guess what? Someone totally did notice the problem. Unfortunately, the Wookiee slave worker who stumbled upon the Achilles Heel got sick and couldn't report it because he had to be quarantined with roaring diarrhea. That is not a joke:
Whilst I miss some of the SWEU there's bits I'm quite happy to see jettisoned.
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2016/12/24 13:37:15
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
The star destroyer smashing through the shield gate...thingy was like Imperial Raxus prime from Force unleashed
The planet [forgotten its name for now] that the death star plans were on strongly resembled Kothlis [the Bothan home world] and the Rebels attack on it was similar to a level in one of the Rouge Leader games
The blind Jedi guy [cant think of his name right now] seems to be inspired by several blind Jedi characters [mostly Miralukas] who appear in several games
AND now that I think about it; the desperate final battle does seem similar to the one at the end of KOTOR; in which the hero's fleet attacks an enemies strongpoint in hope of buying time for the hero [though I might just be drawing a long bow here]
2016/12/25 14:18:39
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
I just saw the movie today, and I was totally blown away. Like, more blown away than Alderaan in Episode IV!
Spoiler:
I loved all the references and cameos from other Star Wars stuff, like having the characters bump into Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba (long before the good doctor told Luke "I don't like you either!"). They also mentioned a general (whose name escapes me) from the Rebels TV show (my brother caught that one, as I haven't watched Rebels unfortunately), and I'd swear some of the other project names in the Imperial archive were references to superweapons from the old Expanded Universe (such as Black Saber-likely referencing Darksaber perhaps?). The CGI inclusion of Tarkin was well done IMO, and was very cool to see. The very ending of the movie was great, and the story just dovetails perfectly with Episode IV with Princess Leia getting the Death Star plans and escaping in Tantive IV. My overall feeling about all this, to quote Lord Vader: Impressive, most impressive.
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2016/12/26 13:05:05
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Manchu wrote: The "Hammerhead Corvette" appeared to be a Republic ship from KotOR (ca. 4000 BBY).
Yes.
The film is actually filled with Easter Eggs that I noticed just in the theater and I suspect more viewings will lead me to finding more;
Spoiler:
I'm skipping the obvious ones because my friend doesn't like you, and I don't like you either (had a good laugh when those two showed up on screen, wonder how they got out of there XD). I'm sure everyone noticed the reference to the "jedi friend" and knew what it meant, as well as C-3PO and R2-D2's brief appearance. The Yavin lookout also counts.
References to the Original Trilogy/General Star Wars References;
-Saw Gerrera previously appeared in an episode of Star Wars: Clone Wars.
-For those who don't remember, the opening scrawl for Episode IV mentioned that the Death Star plans were stolen in the first Rebel victory against the Empire. Rogue One reveals that victory to be the Battle of Scariff, which despite the lose of Rogue One and much of the then Rebel Fleet was a major victory for the Rebel Alliance.
-You will notice in the Erso home at the opening of the film that the camera lingers on a glass of blue milk. It is the same prop that was used in Episode IV!
-Look closely when young Jin is packing her things and you will see that her toys include a Wampa and IG-88!
-Bail Organa mentions "Captain Antilles" when he and Mon Mothma begin organizing a response to Rogue One's successful infiltration of Scariff. This is Wedge Antilles' father who was captain of the Tantive IV and the owner at the time of C-3PO and R2-D2.
-Red, Gold, and Blue Leaders are actually represented in the film with original and unused footage from Episode IV that was spoofed up to fit more modern cinematography.
-The Republic Hammerhead is a design first seen in the Endar Spire, the starting point for Knights of the Old Republic. Three ships of this type were "stolen" from Leia Organa on the Imperial factory world of Lothal in Star Wars: Rebels.
-While infiltrating Scariff the rebels disable two Storm Trooper's talking about the retirement of the T-15. In Episode IV's Special Edition while sneaking through the Death Star Obi-Wan passes two Storm Trooper's talking about the new T-16 (good for bulls eyeing Womp Rats ).
-During the Battle of Scariff we witness of the death of Red-5, a long beloved joke character in the Star Wars Fandom! Many a fic has been written of his humerous and often clumsy deaths that would open the cockpit for Luke to take his moniker during the Battle of Yavin. Also note the "Rogue One" is itself a reference to the old EU's legendary Rogue Squadron which was lead by Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antilles during the Rebellion, and Poe Dameron during the Resistance.
References to Star Wars: Rebels;
-When Jin Erso is walking out of the rebel meeting frustrating the intercom is calling "General Syndula" to the briefing room. This reveals that not only does Hera survive the events of Rebels, but that she has been promoted as well.
-Early in the film while Jin and Casian are boarding their U-Wing you can see the Ghost on the left hand side of the screen!
-In a later scene when the communications officer is running to tell Mon Mothma what is happening, you can see C1-10P "Chopper"on the left. Chopper's good "friend" RA-7 also makes a cameo in the film.
-To top these references off, the Ghost is one of the first ships to make the hyperspace jump into the Scariff system (you can see it right as the rebel fleet arrives, and again as smaller ships start to engage the Imperial Fleet) at the start of the battle. Don't fret though. look closely and you see the Ghost make the jump out of the system just before Vader arrives!
-Given the numerous references to Rebels in the film, it is also probable that the Hammerhead used to ram the Star Destroyers was also the one the crew of the Ghost "stole" from Leia Organa in Star Wars: Rebels.
-Among the Tie variants shown on screen one was previously shown in Star Wars: Rebels and revealed to be a specially designed Tie by Grand Admiral Thrawn. It's plans were stolen by the crew of the Ghost.
Other films;
-Godzilla can be seen in Saw Gerrera's cave. Rogue One's direction Garth Edwards directed the most recent Western iteration of the King of Monsters
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I consider it a retcon from "The designer was slowed" to "The designer was a saboteur"
Except that the first item you quoted was never actually a thing. Other than finding the flaw, nothing more was said about it in A New Hope. Thus nothing was changed by "explaining" it in Rogue One. Thus no retcon.
2016/12/27 08:41:10
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
I just realized that R1 not only makes ANH better, but in a way, it makes TFA better. Everyone complained that the Empire was stupid for not only building a faulting Deathstar, but then another one and then the First Order build yet another.
But if you look at it now, each one has been different and not really "the same mistake each time, please stop trying".
-DS1 was designed with the flaw. Awesome, Empire doesn't look so dumb now
-DS2 was not even finished and the Rebellion was at its peak by this time
-Starkiller base was built from an existing planet in the outer part of the galaxy and was more powerful that either DS and was only destroyed by "the best star pilot" who was originally supposed to die in the first act of the film.
So you really can't blame the bad guys for trying. They are at least learning from each attempt and not repeating the same mistake, just being out maneuvered by an increasingly "mary sue" gang of scrappy good guys.
Loved the film. One "addition" that I really liked is the extra sense of urgency it gives to the events of ANH, especially the opening sequence and the early scenes on the Death star.
2016/12/28 09:53:45
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
After watching this movie, I was suddenly very interested in an actual Star Wars miniature game that wasn't Imperial Assault, one that allowed room for vehicles and air support.
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2016/12/28 15:20:04
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Not a fan of CGI Tarkin. He looked really fake, particularly when speaking. The face was the most distracting part. Very much in the the uncanny valley. Pretty disappointing consider the quality of the effects used throughout the rest of the film.
I liked the movie overall. Not quite as good as ep7, but it was decent. A little slow at the beginning. The final battle scenes were well done. I would go see it again.
I had no issues with Tarkin but the theater I was at projected it a bit darker than it should be so I wonder if the lighting had something to do with it. I imagine on brighter screens it is more obvious which makes me think the home video version will be quite noticeable. Still FX are a process and this was still quite a bit better than CLU in Tron Legacy and the next time will probably be even better.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2016/12/28 19:12:41
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
^^ This. There was mocap on the FACE and Tarkin's FACE was mapped onto the actual actor, but the physical performance was ALL actor - even the voice.
The same for Leia. ONLY the faces were done with CG effects (because that's how motion capture is done. One million points of light stuff).
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2016/12/29 01:46:38
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
^^ This. There was mocap on the FACE and Tarkin's FACE was mapped onto the actual actor, but the physical performance was ALL actor - even the voice.
The same for Leia. ONLY the faces were done with CG effects (because that's how motion capture is done. One million points of light stuff).
Odd, I thought he looked a little mechanical walking around, as if the CGI was trying too hard or not hard enough. As if a machine were trying hard to mimic a persons gait but the timing was slightly off.
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^^ This. There was mocap on the FACE and Tarkin's FACE was mapped onto the actual actor, but the physical performance was ALL actor - even the voice.
The same for Leia. ONLY the faces were done with CG effects (because that's how motion capture is done. One million points of light stuff).
Odd, I thought he looked a little mechanical walking around, as if the CGI was trying too hard or not hard enough. As if a machine were trying hard to mimic a persons gait but the timing was slightly off.
Maybe the mo cap actor simply did a bad job of recreating Peter Cushing's gait, and it therefore came across as stilted and forced.
~15000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Adeptus Custodes: 
~1900 | Imperial Knights: 
~2000 | Sisters of Battle: 
~3500 | Leagues of Votann: 
~1200 | Tyranids: 
~2600 | Stormcast Eternals: 
(had a good laugh when those two showed up on screen, wonder how they got out of there XD). I'm sure everyone noticed the reference to the "jedi friend" and knew what it meant, as well as C-3PO and R2-D2's brief appearance. The Yavin lookout also counts.
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