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 General Kroll wrote:

migooo wrote:
I believe AoS sales are largely due to them selling off old stuff rather than the newer figures honestly.

From the stores I have contact with its largely repackaged stuff that's selling really less so newer things.

Now saying this I do think WHQ will sell as will things that can fit into the old Warhammer world. Such as if they release new beastmen outside this box.

That could definitely be the case, but to double the sales figures of fantasy seems a large amount especially when you consider it was really a dying franchise towards the end. Are there really that many people who are buying up the old stuff for a dead game?

Yeah quite a few people im aware of. GW still well had the best fantasy figures. people are getting what they want for their collections when they can

or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

tneva82 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

migooo wrote:
I believe AoS sales are largely due to them selling off old stuff rather than the newer figures honestly.

From the stores I have contact with its largely repackaged stuff that's selling really less so newer things.

Now saying this I do think WHQ will sell as will things that can fit into the old Warhammer world. Such as if they release new beastmen outside this box.

That could definitely be the case, but to double the sales figures of fantasy seems a large amount especially when you consider it was really a dying franchise towards the end. Are there really that many people who are buying up the old stuff for a dead game?

That's assuming the info is correct though...GW's numbers says though either 40k has been dropping a lot more than expected(despite Calth etc) or AOS is not doing that well. 40k can't be doing better than before if AOS is doing better than FB. Since profits fell down SOMETHING has to have had to fail so if AOS has been huge success compared to FB 40k would have to have been suffering huge drop in profits.

That was last year though.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

I'll believe it when I see it, because that directly contradicts what we've been told by Hastings.

Or 40k tanked hard compared to when Fantasy was around. Who knows. Their earnings report will be interesting at least.

Registering results at a GW terminal takes me out of the equation foe te summer campaign, unless I make it a point to have a three hoursround trip. A nice try to get people in their stores where the hard sell happens, but not everyone can easily go there. Or wants to.

Path to Glory for everyone could be very nice, though.

All these talks on how AOS is doing is rumors that's it. We can't clearly see how its doing if its good or bad until their financial report trying to guess is useless.

If AOS is doing great that's awesome! If its not GW have to work at it end of. Hell whats surprising if its true people can't fathom or accept that it "may" actually be doing well, since Atia and war of sigmar is rather reliable.

Now one thing I am glad about is slaanesh you don't know how many times I had to tell people slaanesh did not get squatted from the fluff.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

My personal feelings to it aside im going by data from 6 Local Gaming stores. And while I do despise it i would concede if my data showed otherwise. it doesn't

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

I'll believe it when I see it, because that directly contradicts what we've been told by Hastings.

Hastings is a reliable source of rumours, but I wouldn't take everything he/she says as gospel.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

I'll believe it when I see it, because that directly contradicts what we've been told by Hastings.

Hastings is a reliable source of rumours, but I wouldn't take everything he/she says as gospel.

No but then again we have another rumour source who might or might not be correct contradicting known accurate poster, suggestions GW's own financial statements and many stores are indicating.

Now I suppose it IS possible that a) 40k tanked big time b) AOS buyers are using GW directly rather than independent stores...But that's quite a big leap of assumption.

But Atia is also rather accurate as well. So who is right? As I said we gotta wait until the financial reports.

never mind....

 shinros wrote:
But Atia is also rather accurate as well. So who is right? As I said we gotta wait until the financial reports.

What's Attia's source though? Is information directly from GW staff who is involved with this or with somebody who claims to have got.

In either case Atia is ONE source. Hastings side has MULTIPLE sides. For AOS to be succeeding in gaining % in sales needs a) 40k sales have had to suffer major drop(when overall sales drop you can't have both AOS gaining and 40k staying/increasing) b) AOS players generally buying from direct(since stores are generally not selling that much. Up to the point stores in US are dumbing stuff on loss)

One source who might or might not be correct vs one source who is just as reliable if not more with multiple indications indicating same direction.

Oh and if Atia's information comes from GW employer...Well GW employer has MOTIVATION to say what is not true.

As far as sales go...I've purchased 3 Khorne get started boxes, 2 Nurgle boxes, and one lizardmen/Seraphon box. So 6 in total. And a starter set. Granted, they're all awesome deals. But that's still 7 boxes from me which would be $635 retail. I paid a bit less than that. But most were from my local.

 shinros wrote:
All these talks on how AOS is doing is rumors that's it. We can't clearly see how its doing if its good or bad until their financial report trying to guess is useless.

If AOS is doing great that's awesome! If its not GW have to work at it end of. Hell whats surprising if its true people can't fathom or accept that it "may" actually be doing well, since Atia and war of sigmar is rather reliable.

Now one thing I am glad about is slaanesh you don't know how many times I had to tell people slaanesh did not get squatted from the fluff.

Some people say AoS and mean Stormcast, other say AoS and point to the full range of fantasy models.
there seems to be some confusion there.

Personally I would like to know if the scenery is doing well If they sold one of those full chaos fortresses, the sales probably surpassed old fantasy by that sale alone.

Speaking of scenery, those new pieces on the new realm of battle board look interresting. The fallen bridge thing looks cool and could probably be combined with itself for an awesome battleboard centerpiece.

 Fayric wrote:

 shinros wrote:
All these talks on how AOS is doing is rumors that's it. We can't clearly see how its doing if its good or bad until their financial report trying to guess is useless.

If AOS is doing great that's awesome! If its not GW have to work at it end of. Hell whats surprising if its true people can't fathom or accept that it "may" actually be doing well, since Atia and war of sigmar is rather reliable.

Now one thing I am glad about is slaanesh you don't know how many times I had to tell people slaanesh did not get squatted from the fluff.

Some people say AoS and mean Stormcast, other say AoS and point to the full range of fantasy models.
there seems to be some confusion there.

Personally I would like to know if the scenery is doing well If they sold one of those full chaos fortresses, the sales probably surpassed old fantasy by that sale alone.

That would actually be rather interesting to see we would have to wait until they do their tops sales again.

tneva82 wrote:

 shinros wrote:
But Atia is also rather accurate as well. So who is right? As I said we gotta wait until the financial reports.

What's Attia's source though? Is information directly from GW staff who is involved with this or with somebody who claims to have got.

In either case Atia is ONE source. Hastings side has MULTIPLE sides. For AOS to be succeeding in gaining % in sales needs a) 40k sales have had to suffer major drop(when overall sales drop you can't have both AOS gaining and 40k staying/increasing) b) AOS players generally buying from direct(since stores are generally not selling that much. Up to the point stores in US are dumbing stuff on loss)

One source who might or might not be correct vs one source who is just as reliable if not more with multiple indications indicating same direction.

Oh and if Atia's information comes from GW employer...Well GW employer has MOTIVATION to say what is not true.

Those are some mighty twists and turns to avoid even entertaining the thought that AoS is doing well. Implying that even if Atia had an inside source, they would be lying? Wow. As for the total sales drop, again, you are right, but remember that those numbers are for last year. It might very well be that AoS tanked in it's first 6 months but has picked up significantly since then, especially considering all we had for almost all of 2015 were Stormcast and Bloodbound, which few people seemed excited about. We have no idea until we get their next financial report.

The flgs around here have been selling aos (new stuff) faster than they can get it. You have to make sure you get there asap or you have to wait for them to reorder. The older fantasy stuff is selling too, but that is mainly the stuff going oop.

40k on the other hand is stagnating on the shelves. The fantasy tournaments died years ago... Now 40k has died. Only 3-4 folks meet to play 40k now, compared to almost 20.

AOS on the other hand... this 'dead' or dying game? Well that has about 12 players. Not to mention those of us who play at our own homes on our own tables with our wives and kids. It seems most 40k players are frustrated and have been switching to aos. Part of the reason for this is they can buy the models they like and make an army from them... no restrictions whatsoever.

Sorry but it is doing well here in central/northern wisconsin!

There is definitely a shift, but a lot of it is simply the release schedule.

WFB (without End Times) in its final years had maybe ~20% of the release weeks while 40K was in overdrive with codex books, etc..

For 2016 (GW's financial year), the "strategic directive" I know about for certain was to have >50% of release weeks be AoS.

I don't have sales numbers, but I would be surprised if that wouldn't affect the internal 40K-vs-AoS/Fantasy a bit.

 455_PWR wrote:
The flgs around here have been selling aos (new stuff) faster than they can get it. You have to make sure you get there asap or you have to wait for them to reorder. The older fantasy stuff is selling too, but that is mainly the stuff going oop.

40k on the other hand is stagnating on the shelves. The fantasy tournaments died years ago... Now 40k has died. Only 3-4 folks meet to play 40k now, compared to almost 20.

AOS on the other hand... this 'dead' or dying game? Well that has about 12 players. Not to mention those of us who play at our own homes on our own tables with our wives and kids. It seems most 40k players are frustrated and have been switching to aos. Part of the reason for this is they can buy the models they like and make an army from them... no restrictions whatsoever.

Sorry but it is doing well here in central/northern wisconsin!

Yeah AOS is doing great in "my" GW store we have players and collectors and we got a healthy mix of 40k players or those who play both.

 shinros wrote:

 455_PWR wrote:
The flgs around here have been selling aos (new stuff) faster than they can get it. You have to make sure you get there asap or you have to wait for them to reorder. The older fantasy stuff is selling too, but that is mainly the stuff going oop.

40k on the other hand is stagnating on the shelves. The fantasy tournaments died years ago... Now 40k has died. Only 3-4 folks meet to play 40k now, compared to almost 20.

AOS on the other hand... this 'dead' or dying game? Well that has about 12 players. Not to mention those of us who play at our own homes on our own tables with our wives and kids. It seems most 40k players are frustrated and have been switching to aos. Part of the reason for this is they can buy the models they like and make an army from them... no restrictions whatsoever.

Sorry but it is doing well here in central/northern wisconsin!

Yeah AOS is doing great in "my" GW store we have players and collectors and we got a healthy mix of 40k players or those who play both.

Same here in my "local" (5 hours away but closest there is for me) FLGS. Owner is pimping AoS pretty hard and it has a very healthy scene with lots of players, weekend events, tournaments, that sort of thing.

Maybe it's just in the UK then it tends to be having a negative effect. But if RoW sales of AoS are the majority that could account for my data.

A nice image nabbed off Twitter:

So, is WHQ gonna be limited in any way like space hulk? Or are they planning to keep it around? I don't think I can swing it now, but in a few months I'd like to pick it up

It's a nice looking game . The expansions could be God orientated. If so we could get some nice looking Beastmen with each expansion. Though I do miss the plastic doorways

Though I think a skaven one, could be interesting as could an undead or whatever they are called.Though I think I'd like spider goblins more than those mutant night ones

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

I'll believe it when I see it, because that directly contradicts what we've been told by Hastings.

Some bloke on the internet says otherwise.

I've read some rumors that it's sticking around. The promo material did say "Don't miss out!" however.

maybe they just mean don't miss out by not buying it rather than meaning get it before its gone.
that pic is great to see. did anyone notice all of the stormcast and chaos figs in the little pamphlet that says "play with these heroes and more only via the app"?
that's pretty sweet sounding.
I don't necessarily relish the idea of having to buy an app but im sure that they will make their way to paper somewhere.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
or god forbid aos actually be doing well?

Yep. Seems as though people are scrabbling around for a reason other than the really obvious one. The hated usurper may be doing well.

I'll believe it when I see it, because that directly contradicts what we've been told by Hastings.

Some bloke on the internet says otherwise.

Yes yes. All hear say we're all to old and grumpy and should just accept whatever bones Gw graciously throw us and expect to pay for if and when they do.

I'm willing to adapt but this is just like 4e d&d so no I can choose not to like it. While technically if I buy it and get rid of the parts I have no interest in I'm supporting AoS (unfortunatley ) technically but I personally like to think I'm supporting the bringing back of a game I loved. Ive not bought a single AoS figure yet ( or more accurately a newer imagined one )

The beastmen are for mordhiem conversions.

 Necros wrote:
So, is WHQ gonna be limited in any way like space hulk? Or are they planning to keep it around? I don't think I can swing it now, but in a few months I'd like to pick it up

I asked mikhaila about this and he said that his sales rep told him, "will sell out, but we'll make more." So hopefully it will stick around.