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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Formations, GMC, Super-heavies and so forth cannot be gotten rid off, sorry.

Of course they can.

Or, more likely, siphoned off into purely voluntary expansions where they should have always been.

its the man, not the machine - nothing wrong with 7th edition as is, nor was there with 2nd edition. I can't understand getting excited about the tooth pulling process of relearning the core rules, cognitively decommission your whatever you've managed to bed down. Greener pastures syndrome much

The rules bloat makes the game take way too long. There has to be some middle-ground between 40k as it is now and AoS.

Well didn't GW say it was a model company and not a rules company? Yeah, I see GW releasing 8th ed soon.

The hope would be that 8th ed cleans up the game but it is hard to hope for anything with GW. And I second the fears that someone had about a new addition followed by the CSM dex - I fear the same thing for tyranids - another botched job where the dex either wont be fully written for the new edition or will be written in a toned down mode followed a few dexes later by OP dexes.

But then, could be wrong.

marcusc wrote:
its the man, not the machine - nothing wrong with 7th edition as is, nor was there with 2nd edition. I can't understand getting excited about the tooth pulling process of relearning the core rules, cognitively decommission your whatever you've managed to bed down. Greener pastures syndrome much

No.

40k 7th edition is a terrible rule set. I has too many rules that only slow the game down, far too many special rules, way too much to keep track of (ever finished a game without forgetting something?) and the rules for each unit (ditto army) are in too many places.
Oh, and it's balance is a joke.

Rules similar to AoS would be fantastic.

 DarkBlack wrote:

marcusc wrote:
its the man, not the machine - nothing wrong with 7th edition as is, nor was there with 2nd edition. I can't understand getting excited about the tooth pulling process of relearning the core rules, cognitively decommission your whatever you've managed to bed down. Greener pastures syndrome much

No.

40k 7th edition is a terrible rule set. I has too many rules that only slow the game down, far too many special rules, way too much to keep track of (ever finished a game without forgetting something?) and the rules for each unit (ditto army) are in too many places.
Oh, and it's balance is a joke.

Rules similar to AoS would be fantastic.

I thought GW always spread its rules over multiple locations? Codexes/Armybooks, main rulebooks and white dwarf

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
This is good. 7th is a bloated mess with far too many Special Rules, so streamlining the game would be a good thing.

Also, AoS didn't go far enough, even though it went farther than many GW players were willing to accept.

If 8E is even a half-step to what AoS was, it will be a great improvement in playability. Heck, even if it's just AoS with points, that'll do.

Too true.

My god! I just agreed with Johnhwang. The only thing weirder I could think of would be to agree with kanluwen.... XD

I hope the gut the feth out of 40k. It needing a reset is an understatement.

A move back toward 3rd edition would be great, 3rd through 5th, while all having exploitable loopholes and various little issues, did indeed play quicker and easier than this bloated mess we have right now.

 Hellfury wrote:
My god! I just agreed with Johnhwang. The only thing weirder I could think of would be to agree with kanluwen.... XD

Dude, step away from the crazy pills...

No, just stop jesus. I guess I dont care cause Ill just keep playing 30k which shares very little of the problems 40k has.

Does anyone else want to explain it to him, or shall I?

I'm done with GW and their editions. I have rulebooks all the way back to 2nd, and PDF copy of the first (since the original copy I had fell apart).

I *may* buy a few more models from them (but really, I have more than enough), but I'm moving forward with my own ruleset as GW can't be bothered to put together even a semi-balanced ruleset. They've had 7 attempts and nothing has stuck.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Does anyone else want to explain it to him, or shall I?

All yours.

I will have completely skipped 7th after they gutted 6th in length (which felt great after buying that collector's edition of the rule book! ), so this could go either way for me. It could be working to make the game playable at multiple levels (all apocalypse all the time is terrible) or cutting the cost of rules down, either of which would be good. Or it could just be keeping with the previous theme and trying to extract more cash with a shorter rules span, which would be terrible and convince me to finally move to an old edition.

Whose to say right now.

They should learn from Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition. I don't know how much your into tabletop RPG's but we had the edition wars long ago. Then they went back to the fundamentals there was not 4 current editions of DnD well 5 with 3.5 and the official 5th (6th) was coming out. Every edition had its own fans and vastly different mechanics. So they took it all the way back to the idea of first edition "modular" rule sets. They distilled the base game down the very basics of play and made it quinessential DnD and only had the things most associated with DnD and cut the fluff. Then in the Dungeon Masters Guide they had more advanced and optional rules. This would allow the game master and players to layer on their complexity and add in systems to their game for more depth if they so choose. Finally in the story supplements they have new rules introduced if need be. So say a something is so fundamental to a campaign story they release they will add rules for it, but they try keep it light so this is rare.

In this way they made an edition that appealed to a broad player base. At the same time they reprinted all the older editions of DnD so players could play whatever the hell they wanted. At long last they also offer completely free Dungeons and Dragons articles on their website with free new classes, articles, feedback, and the occasional free monster. Suffice to say it's been a slam dunk. I think if the new GW CEO looks at Wizards he could pick up more than a few tips of how to make an edition that is widely accessible to people as it can be while still retaining an older audience. Wizards struck lightning as 5th and the reprints are all selling like hotcakes and they don't plan to make a new edition for a loooooong time since they plan to either release the rare rules supplement or mostly just tons of adventures.

WH40K should be simplified so a person with a biggest model wins automatically.

 Yaraton wrote:
WH40K should be simplified so a person with a biggest model wins automatically.

That's kind of how it already works.

I have just one thing to say...

So that GW's course correction some have been praising was apparently so they could realign and hit the iceberg head on this time....

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I don't anticipate a full 8th Edition any time soon, not after the backlash of how short-lived 6th Edition was. A full rules update with FAQs and Errata would be likely (and welcome) as we officially move into Warhammer 40,000 7.5

I see the logic in your skepticism, but at the same time they may see 8th edition as an opportunity to monetize the FAQ/errata-fest going on right now. That wouldn't surprise me, either. As pissed as I was with the 6th to 7th transition, I still bought the 7th ed rulebooks, and would probably do the same with 8th.

*edit*

It may not necessarily be a bad thing (other than the cost, which does suck) if they're changing the game in meaningful ways for the better, beyond the recent FAQ stuff.

Well one thing is sure. If it's up for later this year the recent FAQ's will not be included per se(they might but that was settled before FAQ was even opened). For later this year release book itself would be ready and in printers by now.


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
but Superheavies, GMC's, and decurion style formations need to be removed from standard and returned to apocalypse.

Sorry but I think it's safe to say that won't happen. They don't want to reduce people buying those models. Superheavies etc in apoc only=less people buying those as less chances to use them=GW ain't doing it.

They moved them OUT of apoc games to ensure people buy them for normal games. That they ain't reversing. Especially when their sales are sinking.

I think they might break the game up into different levels, or release an alternate ruleset. They know it works with Sigmar, and are already pumping that out. Could see the same aimed at 40k to address criticism of the system.

In the grim, dark future there are only War Scrolls.

"Datasheets"

Warhams-77 wrote:
Warhammer 40k has its 30th anniversary next year.

That's quite impressive actually ... Makes me realize how old I am as I remember its launch ...

Of course they'll make use of this. Releasing a 30th anniversary edition is easy marketing. And just imagine the collector's edition, available in orkhide cover.

I hope that GW have been able to learn from the success of PP and others and realize that a stringent ruleset attracts players. Combined with their excellent fluff and some of the best models around they'll have a 60th anniversary as well.

MrMoustaffa wrote:
but Superheavies, GMC's, and decurion style formations need to be removed from standard and returned to apocalypse.

Sorry but I think it's safe to say that won't happen. They don't want to reduce people buying those models. Superheavies etc in apoc only=less people buying those as less chances to use them=GW ain't doing it.

They moved them OUT of apoc games to ensure people buy them for normal games. That they ain't reversing. Especially when their sales are sinking.

I know they probably won't, just saying they really need to do it if they want to save the game.

The question is, do they want to save te game or do they just want to improve sales?

And even if the core of the game would be simple like AoS, the game it self would not be more playable or less complicated.

Improve sales, obviously.

 kodos wrote:
The question is, do they want to save te game or do they just want to improve sales?

Hopefully these go hand in hand ...

New edition won't arrive in 2016.

But they will (and kinda already do) move the story forward.

 pinkmarine wrote:

 kodos wrote:
The question is, do they want to save te game or do they just want to improve sales?

Hopefully these go hand in hand ...

thinking of the "new" strategy and the latest statements about sales, I guess 40k will get a simple basic rule set with all the complex rules being written on the unit entry/datasheet
and because sales are best in the first weeks after release, they won't care for the game it self on the long run (but only for the latest datasheets/campaign books)

and I don't think we will see a real codex release any more but campaign books and supplements.


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Sad Panda wrote:
New edition won't arrive in 2016.

But they will (and kinda already do) move the story forward.

So we will see what happens to Fenris in autumn