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Dudeface wrote:
What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.

i think it's because if they didn't, the only other option would be for these units to go into legends for a year or so. they don't want them in the main book anymore, since they're going to have their own book. it's just a bit of "get you by" rules until we get the real thing

Dudeface wrote:
What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.

They're not denying it, they're saying that it's not close enough to release for WarCom to announce. If anything the article is confirming that a codex is coming... eventually.

Chikout wrote:
This means that an Emperor's Children codex is definitely on the way. How long was it between the world Eaters rules and their codex?

About nine months, but as that was the tail end of that edition this time it may be longer.

 Overread wrote:
I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.

At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future

I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.

As for the Custodes nonsense, I hate how both parties are using it as part of a culture war. You can dislike the change to Custodes while being all for female representation in 40k and there already is a lot of that via the Sisters, Inquisitorial factions, Imperial Guard, Assassins, Eldar, Drukhari etc without having to change Custodes. It's why I'm fully against the constant attempts of some online people to make female space marines, you already have them, they're called Sisters of Battle, the lore has been firm on this position for decades - Custodes are generally newer and less set in stone personally speaking I don't even like them being a 40k faction.

I'm just generally against retconning anything in the background when it has no discernable benefit other than making some people on Twitter happy. Retconning Necrons/Drukhari/Votann to make them more fleshed out and fit into the universe? Great (although I still prefer my Oldcrons), retconning something just so someone on Twitter can make their fanfic 'yas queen' dreams come true? Meh.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.

i think it's because if they didn't, the only other option would be for these units to go into legends for a year or so. they don't want them in the main book anymore, since they're going to have their own book. it's just a bit of "get you by" rules until we get the real thing

Sure. Its really the only functional way of doing it without taking a subfaction out of play (well, other than doing EC first and the updated general codex after, but that ship has sailed)
Its the 'we don't know when this will happen' part that's puzzling. They can just say 'later this year' or 'early next year' or whatever

Naw GW's marketing only talks in 3 month soundbites. If its outside of a 3 month window and its not an exception - then the community team "knows nothing" about it. They might even know nothing; even if they can guess it they wouldn't likely be given marketing information further than they need it.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
What I really like is the fact that given the index seemingly is literally 2 units and nothing else, it almost solely exists to signify an incoming codex to the point I don't know why they bother denying it.

They're not denying it, they're saying that it's not close enough to release for WarCom to announce. If anything the article is confirming that a codex is coming... eventually.

You might think that this heralds the imminent announcement of a new Codex, perhaps one bound in human skin and painted in garish colours – but if so, it’s too distant for even Warhammer Community’s astropathic choir to detect any signals, and we got a stern talking to from the Inquisitors for even trying. We can only assume we’re safe for the foreseeable future, but if that changes then we’ll let you know

The language used is intentionally "we have no knowledge of an upcoming codex" which is tantamount to a denial at this stage. Logical conclusion confirms it, but even they if they just said "look out for Codex: Emperors Children later this edition" that would be better.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
There is no reason the Custodes can't be women. No obscure paragraph from a magazine 20 years ago.


Just saying, there is literally zero fluff or reason to say why custodes can't be women. or vice versa.

Wrong, there is previous lore from rogue trader stating they were only men, 30k quote from the Emperor referring to the 10,000 as men and the 8th edition codex states directly that all Custodes are men.

Its a retcon, nothing more.

robbienw wrote:

Its a retcon, nothing more.

40k has been retconning itself repeatedly since the 80's. If it suddenly decided to stop doing them, that would be a retcon

 xttz wrote:

robbienw wrote:

Its a retcon, nothing more.

40k has been retconning itself repeatedly since the 80's. If it suddenly decided to stop doing them, that would be a retcon

Yes thank you Captain Obvious

My point is its specifically a retcon, rather than a hitherto unmentioned new addition.

Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.

Charax wrote:
Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.

I don't even mind this anymore.

I'm just happy that there is even an EC index coming.

When the full EC Codex comes out, I'm sure there will be other HQ models that can be the WL.

Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?

Probably whatever FB or Reddit group the mail news writer found it on



ALSO SHAME on your Orlando for posting the Daily Mail

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?

And from the article "one of it's most popular tabletop battalions"? I always thought Custodes players were a pretty minor segment of the player base.

 whembly wrote:

Charax wrote:
Urgh it sounds like they're pulling the "tie the ability to use a subfaction to taking a named character" thing again. It was stupid with Belakor, it's stupid with Lucius, it's stupid with every faction. Lucius is not running around leading every EC in every skirmish.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but it's nice to see the EC getting a little attention, anyway.

I don't even mind this anymore.

I'm just happy that there is even an EC index coming.

When the full EC Codex comes out, I'm sure there will be other HQ models that can be the WL.

The one downside to this approach is it encourages people to use stuff in the general chaos marine codex, but given the other three dedicated legions, they'll lose access to the vast majority of it when the EC codex does come. Beyond rhinos and helbrutes (and who knows if there will be an EC specific version of the latter) its basically unsafe to expand or finish an EC force.

I'd need to double-check, but I think Land Raiders should be fairly safe too - I agree with the general point, though, and wonder how this monkey's paw will play out in the long run.

Would be nice to see Doomrider return when the 'dex does appear, though.

Voss wrote:

The one downside to this approach is it encourages people to use stuff in the general chaos marine codex, but given the other three dedicated legions, they'll lose access to the vast majority of it when the EC codex does come. Beyond rhinos and helbrutes (and who knows if there will be an EC specific version of the latter) its basically unsafe to expand or finish an EC force.

I'd say it's safer than it would have been ages ago? The index likely will not have anything intended for the codex.

I assume the same as the other 3. If you buy in now, it'll be disastrous. If you have an existing collection, it'll effectively be a new army for everyone anyway and your existing stuff will mostly be generic CSM army. In a few years it'll be a unique and popular force that pulls in a lot of players.

 LunarSol wrote:
In a few years it'll be a unique and popular force that pulls in a lot of players.

You mean like Space Wolves, Dark, and or Blood Angels?

If they are going to have four subfactions of CSM, I don't get why they can't follow the same format as the 'special' SM chapters.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?

And from the article "one of it's most popular tabletop battalions"? I always thought Custodes players were a pretty minor segment of the player base.

Ah. Your mistake was expecting any kind of journalistic effort from the Daily Mail. Think something akin to a written version of Fox News with a British flavour.

@ScarletRoss at the moment I would say that a good third of 40K players at our club have at least purchased a Custodes army.

They are £££ cheap, super quick to paint and previous had a strong codex. Being usable in HH is a minor benefit, too.

Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.

 Souleater wrote:
@ScarletRoss at the moment I would say that a good third of 40K players at our club have at least purchased a Custodes army.

They are £££ cheap, super quick to paint and previous had a strong codex. Being usable in HH is a minor benefit, too.

They also were easy to ally in, and you'd quite often see biker spam that way.

 Londinium wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think the only thing that surprises me that they aren't getting a codex of their own sooner. Then again it might mean that GW are doing more for them and that this year is already chock full of big new htings and they just don't have capacity to do the big update until later.

At the very least this is helping establish them as a fully separate subgroup that's going to get attention in the future

I suspect that they'll be released at the back end of 10e, just like the World Eaters were with 9e. Plus they need to sufficiently space out plastic Fulgrim from the resin monster they released last year.

I can imagine the design write up on this: Daemon Primarch Fulgrim looks like this resin model, yet does not look like a plastic version of this resin model. Have fun.

Emperor's Children coming sooner than you think......

 Haighus wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the daily mail have noticed the custodes 'controversy' on the old interwebs

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/games-workshop-engulfed-in-gender-row-with-warhammer-squadron-fans/ar-BB1lIanQ#image=1

(and it let them run another Henry Cavil picture too)

The Warhammer 'squadron'? WTF if that about?

And from the article "one of it's most popular tabletop battalions"? I always thought Custodes players were a pretty minor segment of the player base.

Ah. Your mistake was expecting any kind of journalistic effort from the Daily Mail. Think something akin to a written version of Fox News with a British flavour.

I don't expect journalistic integrity from anyone anymore. When multi-billion dollar news agencies say they can't be expected to fact-check something in a month that random internet users debunked within literally hours you know mainstream media has no scruples.

 Overread wrote:
Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.

Sorry - what do Marines have with collecting Custodes?

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
In a few years it'll be a unique and popular force that pulls in a lot of players.

You mean like Space Wolves, Dark, and or Blood Angels?

If they are going to have four subfactions of CSM, I don't get why they can't follow the same format as the 'special' SM chapters.

Well, at least one of them has a darn good reason, what with 99% of the Legion being dust and all...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Heck if I ever collected marines I'd get them - again they are an elite army which makes them a bit cheaper on the volume of models you need. Plus their HH connections also gives them some cool looking models.

Sorry - what do Marines have with collecting Custodes?

They have almost identical aesthetics for infantry design, use the same Rhino and Landraider models. Sure their 30K tanks are different and their dreadnought designs are different; but they are super similar and are basically "elite marines" in concept.

So yeah if I wanted a "marines" style army I'm more likely to get Custodes.

Or Sisters of Battle, who again share that same rhino but take everything way more gothic and ornate.