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So Spearhead is basically a Combat Patrol for AOS?

Meh. Nothing too interesting for me.

HH as mech is something to be looking forward to.

Ghoul underworlds team is cool, wish we had a whole squad of winged guys like the one in it.

Not-flagellats- 2 cool minis, the rest are kind of a miss for me, even though the concept is nice.

Votann killteam may be the first models of that faction I like.

Genecult - nothing too out of the ordinary. Neophytes still look better.

Chaos space marines - the basic lord is quite alright.

AoS chaos mounted Lord - to cartoonish, the mount is lacklustre.

Dwarf lord and other characters- very very cool,happy for dawi players and looking forward to seeing what they bring back. And the battalion definitely beats the orc one.

Necromunda - nothing to comment really.

Warcry - both warbands suck and old dryads somehow look more menacing and better.

AoS cinematic is weaker, than HH and 40k one. Maybe it’s impossible to make the stormcasts look anything other than goofy in their current style. Which hasn’t changed much from the 1st edition. And the whole gimmick of “sigmar lied” turned out to
be cringe. I actually wish they had new designs for the “getting tired and worn” stormcasts batallions with crumbling armour and souls. I’m not even sure what new goodies are we waiting for? We had the winged ones with spears, paladins with hammers. New skaven stuff is where it’s at:
Mounted lord, jezzails, clan rats, turret on wheels, rat ogre with warpthrower.

Just read through the warcom articles, nothing really exciting.

The dwarfs rerelease will let me pick up a few missing bits for my whfb army, but the new character models don't really fit with the old stuff.

teaser for admech in HH, nice to know their coming but obviously there still some time off.

Everything else was meh, normally theres a random model or two that grabs my attention but nothing stands out.

There Will be Warhammer fest online preview or something, Next month? I need to know more about necromunda..

zamerion wrote:
There Will be Warhammer fest online preview or something, Next month? I need to know more about necromunda..

They haven't announced anything but presumably there will be some form of preview stream coming. Teasers like the ones for HH & Necromunda tend to be around a month before further solid details, and we also need more info on the next 40k codexes & AOS. I'd expect something towards the end of April / early May.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Voss wrote:

GSC just have brood brothers now as their own kit. Quite a few look like they can be head swapped back to looking like normal guard squads to add some variety.

Are the brood brothers not just an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit?

Almost certain that is the case yes.

Are those really the new Votann names?
I guess the leader will be the Yaegir Maester.

Ok so first up the new Ossiarchs are FREAKING AWESOME and its a direction I'm really pleased to see GW take the army in. I could not be happier and I really hope some of those units, like the centaur design, are hallmarks of main battleline and hero models that we'll see coming further for the Ossiarchs. Really feels like whoever got to work on that kit really went all out along that design path and its a great one that I think brings a freshness to the Ossiarch army and a design approach that I think they need! Really looking forward to more.


Chaos does really strong in this release, from the Skaven exploding in AoS (is that where the last few months of Warhammer+animation budget went?) through to the new leader on mount in AoS and the new pair of leaders in 40K. Both of which look really solid core additions to their armies and I think the two new sets that 40K has coming, whilst not being interesting for existing fans perhaps with huge armies; will be great starting points for new and newish fans.

Overall some really neat stuff in this release not a huge amount for me personally for armies I've got (yes I'm going to resist and not re-start Skaven after selling mine off only a few months ago - seriously I'm not!); but some really solid good additions.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Are those really the new Votann names?
I guess the leader will be the Yaegir Maester.

GW of old (circa Dogs of War) certainly would have done that.

Have they shown any Skaven yet?

 dan2026 wrote:
Have they shown any Skaven yet?

Not necessarily on purpose haha. There was a leaked sprue for the ratling gun thing in the trailer, and a very pixely rat ogre head. They’ve not officially shown any models from the new starter yet.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Are those really the new Votann names?
I guess the leader will be the Yaegir Maester.

Yaegir kinda makes sense to me with German. In German you have the Umlaute ä ö ü which, when written in a language without those letters, are written as ae oe ue.

With the usual Votann modifications Yaegir sounds very close to Jäger which is the German word for Hunter which fits them well.

Might be even close in some other nordic language

So they've probably clobbered the value of my old Dragon Company dwarfs that I've been trying to find again for ages, ho hum...

Well, that was... disappointingly sparse.

Really like the new Dwarf models. The Underworld Ghouls are nice, as are the two Ossiarch infantry models. The Chaos Lord is okay, I guess.

Not showing anything from the new Skaven range seems like a strange choice.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
The Chaos Lord is okay, I guess.

Which one?

I really feel that GW are going too far with the CSM release strategy. Having to buy not one but two CSM bundles to get both of the new Lords seems excessive.

I appreciate that they will be released separately at some point, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I really feel that GW are going too far with the CSM release strategy. Having to buy not one but two CSM bundles to get both of the new Lords seems excessive.

I appreciate that they will be released separately at some point, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste.

You don't need to buy either.

Given that the limited KT, Dark Angels, and Solar Auxillia releases this year all took around a month to be parted out separately it's probably not even that long to wait too.

GW has been a LOT faster with getting individual models out though. I know there was a time long long ago, esp when they did the duel army boxes (so you not only had to buy an army box but also sell half of it unless you were lucky that you wanted both parts) that it could be a year or more for some to get their own release.

They seem to have shifted gears on two fronts going from duel to single army sets, which is honestly a huge boon; and going to faster release rates in general (I'm sure there's still a few stragglers, but my impression is they are quicker than they were)

 xttz wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I really feel that GW are going too far with the CSM release strategy. Having to buy not one but two CSM bundles to get both of the new Lords seems excessive.

I appreciate that they will be released separately at some point, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste.

You don't need to buy either.

I never said that you did?

It depends on what game system. We still haven't had splitouts from Hunter and Hunted, which dropped 3 months before Salvation.

Interesting preview, though not a fan of half-nurgle elves. Chaos dragon girl is big winner here. And ossiarchs, while nice, feel like they are following necrons a lot (only with body, not mental deformations, though centaur matches destroyer lords), all we need for bingo is a lore of one of the ex-death gods devoured by Nagash cursing them with madness

I also don't get why Nagash would make a deal with the Skaven, didn't they screw up his big pyramid plot? Nagash is, like, the definition of spiteful and holding a grudge past its expiration point, that and blowing up his plot to rule in WFB. Did his loss against Lumineth forced him to compromise for once or something?

 Irbis wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m not sure that last pic is a Stormcast. The arms are much too skinny, and the lightning bolts too irregular.

Could be something Undead? Perhaps for War Cry or Underworlds.

It has blatantly obvious Sigmar's comet pendant in hand (and looks like overhead thing has it too). Unless it's a trophy or like, it's something Sigmarite, probably CoS...

LOL at people who said undead/ork/dwarf, told you the comet on pendant/headpiece was way too obvious even in black

 Matrindur wrote:
Yaegir kinda makes sense to me with German. In German you have the Umlaute ä ö ü which, when written in a language without those letters, are written as ae oe ue.

With the usual Votann modifications Yaegir sounds very close to Jäger which is the German word for Hunter which fits them well.

Might be even close in some other nordic language

I was guessing Aegir myself (god of the sea, which would kind of fit for explorers), especially with dumb way silent letters work in English:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86gir

 Irbis wrote:
Interesting preview, though not a fan of half-nurgle elves. Chaos dragon girl is big winner here. And ossiarchs, while nice, feel like they are following necrons a lot (only with body, not mental deformations, though centaur matches destroyer lords), all we need for bingo is a lore of one of the ex-death gods devoured by Nagash cursing them with madness

I also don't get why Nagash would make a deal with the Skaven, didn't they screw up his big pyramid plot? Nagash is, like, the definition of spiteful and holding a grudge past its expiration point, that and blowing up his plot to rule in WFB. Did his loss against Lumineth forced him to compromise for once or something?

At the same time the Skaven Underworld is probably one of the few that really resists his conquest heavily. He might be willing to cut deals to try and find other ways to conquer the Skaven and claim their souls. Sometimes you gotta play the long game.

Same as how Sigmar has to still use Morathi as an ally/aid even though she's backstabbed him several times. She might be totally untrustworthy, but she's dead set on fighting the Chaos infection of the Realms and that's Sigmar's long term goal too.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Voss wrote:

GSC just have brood brothers now as their own kit. Quite a few look like they can be head swapped back to looking like normal guard squads to add some variety.

Are the brood brothers not just an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit?

there was an upgrade sprue for cadians, but that was only for the old kit, so it went away with the new one. there's also the generic GSC upgrade sprue, but that's just that: generic, meant to go with a wider range of kits

The old Brood Brothers upgrade was just the generic GSC one.

The Cadian upgrade frames have been independent of what GSC got.

 Matrindur wrote:
Better Abraxia pictures:

Spoiler:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Voss wrote:

GSC just have brood brothers now as their own kit. Quite a few look like they can be head swapped back to looking like normal guard squads to add some variety.

Are the brood brothers not just an upgrade sprue for the Cadian kit?

there was an upgrade sprue for cadians, but that was only for the old kit, so it went away with the new one. there's also the generic GSC upgrade sprue, but that's just that: generic, meant to go with a wider range of kits

No, I mean this new one in the Kill Team set. I’m pretty sure it’s just an upgrade sprue for the new Cadian kit but Voss is implying it’s a full kit.

First, a bit miffed that given this was not a live reveal, poor play by GW to schedule the event at 10 PM US CST, 3 AM GMT. Since it was all pre-recorded, they could have easily scheduled for a more sensible time. When they did this in the past as a live panel it made sense given the event's overarching schedule.

Did they have a group watch session at Adepticon? Were there any GW studio or community staff on hand at all?

As for the reveals themsleves, mostly meh, though partly because not really invested in most of the factions shown off. We knew AOS 4 was coming so just getting a trailer and some high level marketing speak about the rules was a nothing burger and a bit of let down that there wasn't a single mini reveal.

My biggest takeaway is that GW clearly has no intention of getting away from the 3-year, churn-and-burn release schedule for new editions. Might as well stuff new editions of the side games in there between AoS and 40k while you're at it. It's disappointing, to say the least.

On the bright side, it means 40k 10th will not be around for very long, and we can all rejoice in that.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I really feel that GW are going too far with the CSM release strategy. Having to buy not one but two CSM bundles to get both of the new Lords seems excessive.

I appreciate that they will be released separately at some point, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste.

You don't need to buy either.

I never said that you did?

"having to buy".

Now you did clarify later but still 1st phrase indicates have to.

No discount box and 2nd character alone is of course option. Might not be very popular.

Both in one box would be best but that's optimistic wish.

Five years is my personal minimum time period for an edition of a game (whether board, rpg, or wargame) that wasn't completely messed up at the design stage to begin with. Three is too short especially when it's bloated enough that you have to maintain a breakneck pace to cover your existing factors before you rinse lather and repeat. By seven years, it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth but that last two years gives you some time to revisit the first year or two of factions for tweaks/updates as well as test out optional mechanics in the wild for the next edition ahead of time and weed out the potential stinkers. That 3rd-5th year should be where the game's ecosystem/foundation are solid and folks can just enjoy new scenarios/campaigns/styles if they want or just have their wallet take a breather while they enjoy what you've already set up.