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Hi

Been looking at what I own, thinking about it with a few key purchases I can create this list. Are there any oversites that I have made?


Compulsory SS-Panzerkampfgruppe HQ (Panzergrenadier) - 115
1x CinC Panzerfaust SMG, 1x 2iC Panzerfaust SMG, 2x Sd Kfz 251/1
1x Panzerschreck, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1

Compulsory Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 210
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1

Compulsory SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 210
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 3x MG, 3 x Panzerfaust MG
1x 3 ton Truck per 2x MG

Compulsory SS Panzer Platoon - 335
1x Command StuG G or StuG IV, 3x StuG G or StuG IV

Armoured SS Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 140
1x Command Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 2x Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track

SS Scout Platoon - 135
1x Command Motorcycle MG, 3x Motorcycle MG

Gepanzerte SS-PanzerPioneer Platoon - 340
1x Command Pioneer Panzerfaust SMG, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1, 6x Pioneer MG, 6x Sd Kfz 251/7
1x Pioneer Supply Maultier half-track
1x Goliath

Wiking SS-Kampfgruppe Artillery Platoon - 185
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 2x Observer Rifle, 2x kubelwagen, 4x 10.5cm IeFH18

SS-Rocket Launcher Battery - 90
1x Command SMG, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x kubelwagen, 3x 15cm NW41 rocket launcher

1760 Points, 8 Platoons

The real strength with the Wiking list, imo, is the rules for the Panzer Kanone on your armor support.

Considering that 5th SS is Fearless-Trained, you'll get more stuff for the points, but you'll catch more fire than you care to.

Additionally, depending if you're running Danes or Flemish troops, their rules are subtly different, but I believe you still retain some of their artillery rules for both factions (Master Plan).

However, an overall look of your list seems to indicate you have all the bases covered; you can smoke with the rockets and you have decent artillery support. You have strong AA as well and your recon comes in the form of the scout platoon when you have to scour for ambushes when attacking.

The assault-pioneers are definitely worth it for their AT ability and defensive measures. Although since you have the StuG's and recon platoon, they might be over-kill maybe?

I know you mentioned this is what you have or potentially would purchase.

This what I have used....

HQ:
SS-Panzerkampfgruppe HQ (Panzergrenadier) - 1x CinC SMG, 1x 2iC SMG, 2x Sd Kfz 251/1 (60 pts)
- 1x Upgrade CiC SMG to CinC SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)
- 1x Upgrade 2iC SMG to 2iC SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)

Combat:
Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 1x Command MG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1 (200 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command MG to Command SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)
- 2x Upgrade MG to MG Panzerfaust (20 pts)

Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 1x Command MG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1 (200 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command MG to Command SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)
- 2x Upgrade MG to MG Panzerfaust (20 pts)

SS Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Panther A, 2x Panther A (490 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command to Panzer Kanone (65 pts)

Weapons:
Armored SS Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command Armored Sd Kfz 10/5 (2cm) Half-track, 1x Armored Sd Kfz 10/5 (2cm) Half-track (70 pts)

SS Heavy Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car (10 pts)
- 1x Observer Rifle, 1x Kubelwagen, 2x 8cm GW 34 Mortar, 2x Kfz 70 Truck (55 pts)

Armored SS Mortar Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x Kubelwagen, 2x Sd Kfz 251/2 (8cm) (85 pts)

Support:
SS Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Panzer IVH, 3x Panzer IVH (310 pts)

Heavy SS-Panzerspah Patrol - 2x Command Sd Kfz 231 (8 rad), 2x Sd Kfz 231 (8 rad) (140 pts)


1765 Points, 9 Platoons

In mine I bring the Panthers with the Kanone upgrade as they'll be my heavy AT hammers. I use dual two-tube mortars for smoke and that's their defined role only. The infantry have been buffed to 2 MG Faust teams a piece to make them lethal against armored assaults. I kept the AA cheap going with the 10/5's. For added support and infantry-assault operations, I bring-in some Panzer IV's and I have two platoons of the 8-rads for recon sweeps and eyes-and-ears.

It's a somewhat buffed mechanized force that seems to play well in attack or defense. However, my faction is Flemish, so my infantry has the Following Orders rule keeping them mobile when pinned in a pinch. It's 9 platoons, but I can kampfgruppe to get it to 10 if I have to. I tend to like an even split for reserves depending on the mission.

Overall, I do like what you have as it's a good mix of various forces and it seems to be prepared for all eventualities for balance. My thought is to try and use the strengths of the 5th, taking advantage of their rules when you can. Yours has the firepower and mobility, and I'd like to see how it works....

Edit: To really buff the strengths of the list, I have also added this alternative wrinkle as well;


HQ:
SS-Panzerkampfgruppe HQ - 1x CinC SMG, 1x 2iC SMG, 2x Sd Kfz 251/1 (60 pts)
- 1x Upgrade CinC SMG to CinC SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)
- 1x Upgrade 2iC SMG to 2iC SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)
- 1x Panzerschreck, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1 (35 pts)

Combat:
Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 1x Command MG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1 (200 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command MG to Command SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)

Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 1x Command MG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1 (200 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command MG to Command SMG Panzerfaust (10 pts)

SS Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Panther A, 2x Panther A (490 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command to Panzer Kanone (65 pts)

Weapons:
Armored SS Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command Armored Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 1x Armored Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track (95 pts)

SS Heavy Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car (10 pts)
- Mortar Section - 1x Observer Rifle, 1x Kubelwagen, 2x 8cm GW 34 Mortar, 2x Kfz 70 Truck (55 pts)

Armored SS Mortar Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x Kubelwagen, 2x Sd Kfz 251/2 (8cm) (85 pts)

Support:
SS Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Panzer IVH, 3x Panzer IVH (310 pts)
- 1x Upgrade Command to Panzer Kanone (65 pts)

Heavy SS-Panzerspah Patrol - 1x Command Sd Kfz 231 (8 rad), 1x Sd Kfz 231 (8 rad) (70 pts)

1780 Points, 8 Platoons

This alternative strips the excessive points from the Faust teams in the infantry platoons and downgrades the 8-rads to one platoon. This allows me to bump-up the AA to 7/1's and add the Kanone upgrade to the Panzer IV's. It even allows me to take a Panzershreck team in the HQ and evens-out my platoon-count to 8. The list smokes and isolates targets with the mortars and allows my armor to be the line-busters. It doesn't use any mid-to-heavy artillery at all and relies on a more press-coverage approach to unseat the enemy.

Hmmm solid points, how about a compromise to something like this?

Compulsory SS-Panzerkampfgruppe HQ (Panzergrenadier) - 115
1x CinC Panzerfaust SMG, 1x 2iC Panzerfaust SMG, 2x Sd Kfz 251/1
1x Panzerschreck, 1x Sd Kfz 251/1

Compulsory Gepanzerte SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 210
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 6x MG, 4x Sd Kfz 251/1

Compulsory SS Panzergrenadier Platoon - 210
1x Command Panzerfaust SMG, 3x MG, 3x MG Panzerfaust
1x 3 ton Truck per 2x MG

Compulsory SS Panzer Platoon - 375
1x Command Panzer Kanone, 3x Panzer IVH

Armoured SS Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 140
1x Command Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 2x Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track

SS Scout Platoon - 135
1x Command Motorcycle MG, 3x Motorcycle MG

SS Panzer Platoon - 230
1x Command Panzer IVH, 2x Panzer IVH

SS-Tank-Hunter Platoon - 165
1x Command Jagdpanzer IV, 1x Jagdpanzer IV

Wiking SS-Kampfgruppe Artillery Platoon - 185
1x Command SMG, 1x Staff, 2x Observer Rifle, 2x kubelwagen, 4x 10.5cm IeFH18


1765 Points, 8 Platoons

Looks solid.

Plenty of mobile armor support and an even platoon split for reserves.

Question- your second infantry platoon is in trucks; is this by design due to model availability? I really like the half-tracks as they can help supplement the infantry's firepower well, plus mounted assaults can be useful.(Also noticed it's a short platoon)

Good firepower throughout though; it should do well in all of the missions where mobility is a necessity.

Ah yeah I didn't notice that, for the points i may as well go for two Panzergrenadier platoons rather then the trucks and fausts