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looking for some advice and feedback on my first empire build.

2500

arch lector, war alter.
karl franz, warhorse

battle wizard, lvl 2 lore life
battle wizard lvl 2 lore life
captain standard of discipline, bsb, shield.

37 halbreds, musican, standard,
20 crossbows
20 crossbows

9 reiksgaurd knights (rides with franz)
cannon
cannon

huricanum
luminark
steam tank

=2499

so essentially, my plan, is for the arch lector and his war alter sit in between the lminark and huricanum, and camp out behind the halbreds. all 3 provide buffs to that brick. wich also contains both wizards and the bsb. ideally these guys dont move, and let the enemy come to them. the tank and cannons provide downrange fire, while the crossbows help. the 2 arcane chariots will also attempt to combine fire on close threats, while franz and his knights take the flank and try to hit the side of enemy core.


what im looking for here is some feedback on the tatic, and the list itself. im pretty new to empire, and have only really played ogres. so any feedback is helpful. thanks.

I like the design and idea behind this list but there are some improvements you could make to help optimize it. AL needs protection I give mine a 4++ and charmed Shield to help defend against bouncing cannonballs and other warmachines. Your lvl 2 wizards are probably better off taking Lore of light since double banishment would be awesome. Dispel Scroll on one of them would be nice. Core looks good. I would drop the Luminark and find another 15 pts to add 5 more RK to Karl's unit. Lastly a little protection for your BSB wouldn't hurt as he's really critical to any empire army!

Well your spending HUGE amounts of points on buffing 1 block of infantry, what I would do, is drop the Emperor and the knights which is a huge amount of points, for another block of 40+ halberds, and now that large amount of points is worth it.

Next thing is for those blocks, drop the wizards to lvl and take any lore, with infantry I like light/beasts/fire so you get the best spells for least amount of points spent.

Also the crossbows are cool, but do nothing worthwhile so you can make them detachments of swordsmen/halberds to get ride of enemy ranks/steadfast.

And if you have points take a lvl 3/4 with lore of life, to make those hoards into cheap chaos warriors, that Respawn!

thats sort of my next question... how good is franz on a horse, with knights? i've read he demolishes other units, and can almost win a game on his own.... and i must admit the idea of a 4 attack ws 6 auto wounding beat stick seems pretty awsome.

but ive generally stayed away from special named characters. so debating on him - and if i drop him then the knights are now the odd man out. dropping franz would allow for a lvl 4 wizard lord, and some toys to spread around the other heros.

KF is nice, but honestly a bit meh. Iv found far more luck with a regular Grandmaster with a Runefang and OTS, or 15 pts of other gear. Just as killy (minus the D3 wounds) but about 250pts, as opposed to 394... Plus then you can save a few more points by taking regular Inner Circle knights.

Franz has his place, I have him as my general in my 2500 empire cav list, where he a lvl3, a warrior priest, and a bsb and the knights champion all sit in the front of the 30 man knight bus, with spells from beasts they dish out around 15 dead models each fight faze (if I get the right spells off) and are easily able to run down anything they fight. That said in a block of 10 knights hes underwhelming and over costed, also if you want knights for chaff, don't bother taking inner circle as its a waste.

ok so i made some tweaks to the list, mainly i dropped franz, and added some more meat for the line.

wizard lord, lvl 4, lore life, earthing rod
arch lector, talisman of preservation, war alter of sigmar

captain, bsb, standard of discipline. fullplate, shield
captain, fullplate, shield
warrior priest, hev armor, shield
warrior priest, hev armor shield
battle wizard, lvl 2 beasts
master engineer enchanted shield, light armor.

40 halbreds, fc,
- 2o crossbows (detachment)
- 20 crossbows (detachment)

cannon
cannon
28 greatswords, FC

hellblaster
steamtank
= 2492

with this list, the halbreds back up the greatswords. the engineer mainly works the hellblaster. the arch lector and his war alter chill out behind providing buffs, as does the wizard lord. the remainig heros deploy with the halbreds or swords, each one getting a captsain, the bsb with the halbreds and the beast wizard with them as well. the other captain and a warrior priest in with the swords. this list is more of a "line" army, and while i have some good shooting its meant to advance and engage in close combat. i figure with a lvl 4 life wiz he can buff like mad and regrow dead models, and the beasty caster can shoot for transformation and gaurentee wyssans for more buffs.

Looks good! The only thing that I would change is dropping the basic captain and take a witch hunter with brace of pistols, don't underestimate his killing blow shots, plus give him a GW and he can knock out a few dudes too! Lastly, if you can scrounge 5pts give the arch lector armour of destiny instead of the ToP.

Also drop the beasts wizard down to a lvl1 and take dispell scroll, the powers your shooting for are transformation, savage beasts of horrow, and wildform.