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Curious as to what the speculation is on the HQs in the ork codex. Whether or not they're most likely going to get culled if they don't get models or what you all thing might happen there.

If we lose Wazdakka or any warboss it's no big deal. Make up a stupid name, use the generic warboss build and it's all good. With the millions of warboss' floating around the galaxy we don't really need named characters, just some cool rules to add to the generic ones.

Going by the Guard codex, even those who do have models are far from safe, as GW look to trim down the 'Fine'cast range.

So yeah, I wouldn't hold out too much hope for anyone without a model.

Stashgordon36 wrote:
If we lose Wazdakka or any warboss it's no big deal. Make up a stupid name, use the generic warboss build and it's all good. With the millions of warboss' floating around the galaxy we don't really need named characters, just some cool rules to add to the generic ones.

Well there's still the forgeworld boss that makes bikers troops at least.

Even more grim is the future for Dark Eldar characters. Or perhaps as grim...

insaniak wrote:Going by the Guard codex, even those who do have models are far from safe, as GW look to trim down the 'Fine'cast range.

Oh Emperor... If Ghazzy goes bye bye, I might cry for a few weeks.

 Ond Angel wrote:

insaniak wrote:Going by the Guard codex, even those who do have models are far from safe, as GW look to trim down the 'Fine'cast range.

Oh Emperor... If Ghazzy goes bye bye, I might cry for a few weeks.

I'd say Thatcher is safe. However I see both Snikrot, Zagstruk and Badrukk, despite having models going into HQ in their own dataslates/expansions. Unfortunatley Wazzdakka and Zogwort will go bye-bye.


I'm scared for DE too, my whole army is based around Lady Malys.

What can I say...I have a soft spot in my heart for Wazdakka really hope they find it in em to keep him.

I wouldn't mind Snikrot,Zagstruk, and Badrukk being hqs in their own right, or in dataslates, but I really also like the idea of having cool big named orks throughout a list...even if its never really good.

I think grotsnik is metal. He shall be missed.

 Da krimson barun wrote:
I think grotsnik is metal. He shall be missed.

He's finecast...honestly I want some sort of dok character, mad dok does that alright for me.

Well... this has ruined my evening. The ork characters are great models with tonnes of character but it does now seem likely that they are not long for this world :(

Zomnivore wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:
I think grotsnik is metal. He shall be missed.

He's finecast...honestly I want some sort of dok character, mad dok does that alright for me.

Not sure if you noticed or not but apparently GW doesn't sell anything that's "finecast" anymore. With the site relaunch all of the "finecast" references were changed to "resin"....

Actually, if you look at it, there are not that many ork characters in the first place. This more or less is speaking out my butt because I have no idea what the real numbers are but even if IG lost half their named characters they probably still have more named characters than orks have.

Look how many named characters the marines have that don't have models... more than just a handful, so its quite possibly that Orks who have such few to start with might not loose any or gain an equal number or more back.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Actually, if you look at it, there are not that many ork characters in the first place. This more or less is speaking out my butt because I have no idea what the real numbers are but even if IG lost half their named characters they probably still have more named characters than orks have.

Look how many named characters the marines have that don't have models... more than just a handful, so its quite possibly that Orks who have such few to start with might not loose any or gain an equal number or more back.

Well, let's take a look.

Ork characters: Ghaz, Wazdakka, Old Zogwort, Grotsnik, Boss Snikrot, and Boss Zagstruk.

IG characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Bastonne, Straken, Marbo, Harker, Yarrick, Al'Rahem, Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, and Nork Deddog.

AM characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Straken, Harker, Yarrick, Nork Deddog.

Honestly, I think you might be right. Assuming you count Creed and Kell as one choice (since you either buy Creed or Creed and Kell), then the Astra Militarum has a total of 6 characters. The current Ork codex has, drumroll please, a total of 6 characters. It could well be that they're trying to keep the characters from getting into ridiculous numbers, marines notwithstanding (though even they at least have 7 characters for one chapter, and one character each for several others).

 Locclo wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Actually, if you look at it, there are not that many ork characters in the first place. This more or less is speaking out my butt because I have no idea what the real numbers are but even if IG lost half their named characters they probably still have more named characters than orks have.

Look how many named characters the marines have that don't have models... more than just a handful, so its quite possibly that Orks who have such few to start with might not loose any or gain an equal number or more back.

Well, let's take a look.

Ork characters: Ghaz, Wazdakka, Old Zogwort, Grotsnik, Boss Snikrot, and Boss Zagstruk.

IG characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Bastonne, Straken, Marbo, Harker, Yarrick, Al'Rahem, Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, and Nork Deddog.

AM characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Straken, Harker, Yarrick, Nork Deddog.

Honestly, I think you might be right. Assuming you count Creed and Kell as one choice (since you either buy Creed or Creed and Kell), then the Astra Militarum has a total of 6 characters. The current Ork codex has, drumroll please, a total of 6 characters. It could well be that they're trying to keep the characters from getting into ridiculous numbers, marines notwithstanding (though even they at least have 7 characters for one chapter, and one character each for several others).

I think eldar have more named characters
Eldrad
Uriel
Fuegan
Karandras
Baharroth
Asurmen
Jain Zar
Maugan ra
Illic
Not sure if to count avatar

I don't think that the characters with a modell will get canned entirely. They may be moved into a supplement codex but I don't think GW will discontinue them entirely.

As for those without a modell... I assume we can hope for some sort of tripple-kit for wartrakk/bikeboss/wazdakka.
Zogwort is most likely going the way of the dodo though.

And I hope, they redo the modell for Badrukk. It looks like a rogue trader relic...

I won't say they're totally screwed, but chances aren't great for them. We might see one included as an option in a plastic kit, or who knows, maybe they'll keep them in there as Orks have always been a converter's army.

 Kosake wrote:

And I hope, they redo the modell for Badrukk. It looks like a rogue trader relic...

That's the point! Badrukk is supposed to be a throwback, and he's seriously a great miniature. There's a lot of depth in the model, and multiple layers of detail that few models have. His pose is interesting, and the detail on him is excellent. Badrukk is one of the best figures in the range. He also won't be getting redone since he's a special character model, and one released in 2008 at that.

I hope they don't get rid of Wazdakka. I've been slowly building up parts to build him as his art looks. Ghazzy is safe. He's a major MAJOR thing. he's not going anywhere. I think they'll keep Da Kaptin. He's mentioned in multiple codexes, and they often(?) keep characters who are like that. I could see ZogWort or Snikrot or Zagstrukk going though. Not Mad Dok Grotsnik though, he played a major part in Ghazzy's fluff. I'll think he'll stay put. I hope no-one goes though. I think having a boss from nearly every type of special unit is awesome. Now all we need is a burna boss, and a Tankbusta boss. (Kaptin has Lootas as well as Flashgitz)

I am confident that Snikrot will not go at least, like Ghazzy, he is a big part in the Armageddon fluff, and is mentioned a lot.

Seems absurd to even entertain the notion that Ghazghull would get cut.. That's like removing Yarrick or Calgar. I'm pretty sure the decision is purely based on how old the model was when it came to the IG book. Almost all the SC's that got cut were ancient models and also ones that were NOT important in the fluff.

Granted, the Eldar SC's are ancient too but the Phoenix Lords are a bigger deal than some desert warrior or space Russian. I imagine if anyone gets cut it's wazdakka and zogwort. They don't have any important overall fluff and have no model.

 Kirasu wrote:
Seems absurd to even entertain the notion that Ghazghull would get cut.. That's like removing Yarrick or Calgar. I'm pretty sure the decision is purely based on how old the model was when it came to the IG book. Almost all the SC's that got cut were ancient models and also ones that were NOT important in the fluff.

Granted, the Eldar SC's are ancient too but the Phoenix Lords are a bigger deal than some desert warrior or space Russian. I imagine if anyone gets cut it's wazdakka and zogwort. They don't have any important overall fluff and have no model.

I imagine another part of it is that some of those characters were kind of silly and referential. Marbo in particular, great as he was, always started out as the tabletop version of Rambo (Marbo is even an anagram of Rambo). Dark Eldar had the same thing happen in 5th Edition with Kruellagh the Vile (Cruella da Ville, anyone?).

If I had my guess Gaz, zag, badrukk, and snikrot are all safe.

Da doc... may be safe but his model is so old and crappy he will either get a bit in a new blister for a doc boss or he will get axed. I don't know too many people that would not rather convert a doc than use that ugly model... His fluff is rather important though.

Wazzdakka and zogwart are almost defiantly dead meat.

Yeah, Wazzdakka can easily be rolled into a warboss or, if they feel silly, a big mek ("A warboss/big mek on a bike may field warbikers as troops"). Old Zogwort never had a model and his curse of the squig will most likel be absorbed into our own psychic table.

All others are pretty safe in my opinion, it's not like there is an overabundance of characters in the codex, and all of them do something pretty unique that can't just be rolled into a warlord table.

The looted wagon might get the axe though, in favor of a new tank maybe. Something I also see disappearing might be the skorcha as fast attack choice. I bet three out of four people reading this have completely forgotten about its existence until now.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Even more grim is the future for Dark Eldar characters. Or perhaps as grim...

Perfect opportunity to give us a plastic Vect and Baron imo.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Even more grim is the future for Dark Eldar characters. Or perhaps as grim...

Perfect opportunity to give us a plastic Vect and Baron imo.

I hope the Duke gets a model, love that guy.

As far as the Orks go, I definitely see zogwort and wazdakka getting cut out. Which makes me unhappy, because I really liked wazdakka even though I'm not an ork player.

 Locclo wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Actually, if you look at it, there are not that many ork characters in the first place. This more or less is speaking out my butt because I have no idea what the real numbers are but even if IG lost half their named characters they probably still have more named characters than orks have.

Look how many named characters the marines have that don't have models... more than just a handful, so its quite possibly that Orks who have such few to start with might not loose any or gain an equal number or more back.

Well, let's take a look.

Ork characters: Ghaz, Wazdakka, Old Zogwort, Grotsnik, Boss Snikrot, and Boss Zagstruk.

IG characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Bastonne, Straken, Marbo, Harker, Yarrick, Al'Rahem, Chenkov, Mogul Kamir, and Nork Deddog.

AM characters: Creed/Kell, Pask, Straken, Harker, Yarrick, Nork Deddog.

Honestly, I think you might be right. Assuming you count Creed and Kell as one choice (since you either buy Creed or Creed and Kell), then the Astra Militarum has a total of 6 characters. The current Ork codex has, drumroll please, a total of 6 characters. It could well be that they're trying to keep the characters from getting into ridiculous numbers, marines notwithstanding (though even they at least have 7 characters for one chapter, and one character each for several others).

Well lets hope that they dont do what they did the the Nids and remove every character except 3, I belive its just Swarmy, OOE, and Red Terror. Do't have dex on me. But then again Nids kind of make sense to have no characters, so there is that i guess.

I expect GW will cut them, but then immediately bring them back in a 19.99 dataslate, safe in the knowledge some people will buy it.

Stashgordon36 wrote:If we lose Wazdakka or any warboss it's no big deal. Make up a stupid name, use the generic warboss build and it's all good. With the millions of warboss' floating around the galaxy we don't really need named characters, just some cool rules to add to the generic ones.

This is what leads me to believe they might introduce a point system kinda like Tau Commanders, where theyre a base-stat-line model with no gear and you buy gear. Some are standard across the army, some are special and can heavily alter your game plan. Rules that shift the FOC around, add unit-wide rules, or special warboss-only weapons come to mind. I would totally field a warboss with a Shokk Attack Slugga if a mek were to make such a thing
EDIT: Also right now im working on building a warboss that uses a Wraithknight sword rather than a powerklaw for a meganob boss. Would LOVE to have some Uba Choppa rule to use it with rofl

Also, on the note of names leaving, i HIGHLY doubt any will go away. We dont have many that are actually used, whether they have a model or not, but what does have rules have a lot of lore behind them. Even the non HQ ones. Badrukk being the least important, but i think thats more because of what hes attached to rather than he himself.

Wazdakka needs an overhaul if anything. He has some cool rules but they are illegal to use unless he is alone, which is a suicide tactic lol. Bike of the Aporkalypse really should allow his unit to turbo and shoot, not just him. Even if hes attached to a large bikernob unit thats still imposing a bit of risk because now hes 12" or so ahead of the rest of the bikes, but at least he isnt alone like he would be now lol.

Snikrot and Zagstruk are two characters that add a very unique rule. While i doubt they'll do anything more than make them an HQ choice rather than an upgrade, i doubt even less they'll remove them. I'll be mad if Zaggy goes away after i spent so much time painting those Evil Sunz flames on that mofo lol

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Even more grim is the future for Dark Eldar characters. Or perhaps as grim...

Perfect opportunity to give us a plastic Vect and Baron imo.

Perfect opportunity don't mean squat. It was also a perfect opportunity for the IG to get plastic kits for their characters, and look how that turned out. While I still hold out hope that we'll at least get a Baron kit so he stays in the codex, they're probably going to cut us down to Vect, Lelith, Rakarth, and maybe Drazhar.

Trend seems to be one plastic HQ, rest is still crapcast.

If we get that trend, probably be either the general Warboss or Ghazzy that becomes plastic. Ghazzy might be easier since hes covered in flat plating rather than clothes.