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2014/09/09 19:57:34
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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This list is my campaign force versus an Ork list. I believe that he will be packing a Stompa, and at least 120 boyz. So, this is what I'm thinking of taking to combat him. HQ- Marneus Calgar with Armour of Antilochus = 285 ML2 Librarian in Terminator Armour = 115 4x Honour Guard with Chapter Banner = 135 Troops- Tactical Squad with flamer, missile launcher and Rhino = 195 Tactical Squad with flamer, heavy bolter and Rhino = 190 Tactical Squad with multimelta, meltagun, combi-melta and Drop Pod = 205 Elites- Assault Terminator Squad with 5x TH/SS in LRC with multi-melta = 485 10 Sternguard Veterans with 2x combi-meltas, 2x combi-plasmas and heavy flamer in Drop Pod = 315 (Deathwatch) 5 Sternguard Veterans with 2x combi-melta, 2x combi-flamer = 160 Fast Attack- Stormtalon Gunship with skyhammer missiles = 125 Stormtalon Gunship with skyhammer missiles = 125 Heavy Support- Vindicator = 125 Centurion Devastator Squad with 3x grav-cannons = 250 Stormraven Gunship = 200 (Transporting Deathwatch Sternguard) Thunderfire Cannon = 100 Total- 3000 Thoughts?
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This message was edited 5 times. Last update was at 2014/09/14 15:50:37
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2014/09/09 21:26:30
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I might focus your sternguard/deathwatch’s weapons a little more. Or just run basic bolters. I feel you are spending a lot of points for flexibility where you might never use it.
Other then that, looks pretty good.
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2014/09/09 22:30:10
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine
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Honestly are you going for fluffy or competitve? Because your list is lacking in both. Cut the heavy weapons out of the tac squads and make sure those sternguard are kept cheap. Librarians are not that good, get tiggy or cut him for another sternguard squad in a pod.
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2014/09/10 02:47:43
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Libs are decent. But they are pretty bad compared to chaos sorcerers :(
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2014/09/10 06:49:01
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Really, I thought the Libby would be okay! Buffing the Cents?
I think what I'd maybe like to do is drop the melta Tactical Squad to five men and remove the multimelta?
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2014/09/10 13:00:36
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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If you can bump the librarian to tigurius, do so (he’s quite good this edition), but there is nothing wrong with the basic lib. He might be outshined by other faction’s psychers, but we work with what we have.
I’d try to keep the tac squad at full with the MM. UM tactics have two options to help him snap-fire, and you might not be moving all the time. For a 3k list, 3 full tactical squads seems a little light, honestly. Particularly since you are fielding Calgar, so can twin link them twice a game.
If you are looking to shave points, drop a majority of the combis from the sternguard. 10ppm is a high price to pay for one shot.
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2014/09/10 15:31:51
Subject: Re:[3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot
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Do yourself a favor and shave 10 pts somewhere to add Tigurius. Stick him with your Cents.
I would also re-think the termies/land raider combo, i would rather have more shooty units against Orks. They will be easily tarpitted and killed
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2014/09/10 15:45:17
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Stenguard with mixed combi-weapons are okay because they can combat squad, but don't mix all three types.
I would stick to flamers and meltas. There are very few targets in the ork army for plasma guns - their elite infantry's two wounds means melta fire is still better
The Deathwatch's weapons are a touch odd. A power axe is an excellent squad-butcher but unwieldy is a bad move - you don't want to be striking after ork boyz (a maul might be better).
If you take a melee weapon and combi-weapons, you want to get close (and you've got the gunship to do so) but if you do that, your heavy weapons are a waste, especially the plasma cannon which can't even snap fire.
Also, if taking 2 Storm Talons and a Storm Raven, break them off the Combined Arms Detachment and field them as an Astartes Storm Wing Formation Detachment. The whole block comes in as one because the Talons both count as escorting the raven, and the raven benefits from the talons' strafing run as long as one is alive. No extra cost and well worth it.
I'd tool up the storm raven with multimelta and lascannon. If your friend does turn up with a stompa, you're shy on heavy anti-tank...
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Termagants expended for the Hive Mind: ~2835
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2014/09/10 17:08:55
Subject: Re:[3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot
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Honor Guard seem a much better choice that termies against Orks
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2014/09/10 20:14:01
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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How about I reduce the Deathwatch to 5 men, with 2x combi-flamers, 2x combi-meltas and a regular bolter? Or keep the power axe?
The aircraft would definately be Stormwing, too good to pass up for free!
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2014/09/11 17:22:28
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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So, removed half of the Deathwatch, what now?? 205 points up for grabs, with the fresh point smell!
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2014/09/12 03:39:10
Subject: Re:[3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Cog in the Machine
Winnipeg, MB, Canada
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Switch the libby to Tiguirus and get a couple more grav Centurions. Stick him with them, roll on divination, correct a lot of their flaws.
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40k armies: Harlies, Tzeentch Daemons
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2014/09/14 10:28:19
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Again, not too keen on Tiggy. I feel that my Termie Libby can achieve a decent result on the Biomancy, Telepathy and Telekinesis charts. Automatically Appended Next Post: Perhaps an Honour Guard squad or Vindicator?
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2014/09/14 13:32:23
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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If you think there is going to be a stompa on the table, you might want to grab another anti tank unit.
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2014/09/14 14:02:35
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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At 3000'pts you got some room to improve, specially if you're tailoring against Orks.
Some must haves:
-Tigurius, drop the termie Libby, throw the Cents in the Stormraven with Tiggy and roll on Divination = win
- quad lascannon devastators, with dev doctrine? Those are the tits! Hide them behind a wall and pop them out with relentless
-TFC, against Orks this will be an MVP, stick the devs in the reinforced ruin
Stuff you can shed:
-the pods, unless you're going with a full pod army, he won't have any problems bubble-wrapping critical units so stick with rhinos
-the 5 man sterns, you already got a full stern squad, use the points elsewhere
Final thoughts: who's Calgar hanging with? How are the termies getting in the fight? Considering the Orks lack of fearless, you should consider Honour Guard with Calgar for the ability to sweep and strike first, those guys and Calgar in a LRC FTW.
Good luck!
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2014/09/14 15:48:09
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I can't really put much in my HS slot, unless I drop the Vindicator, which I am loathe to do.
I still refuse to take Tigurius, as I feel my own Librarian can do a decent job. My drop pods work very well in capturing far flung objectives, and my regular opponent has never yet used bubblewrap!
My termies are in the LRC with Calgar.
My 5 man Sternguard are (were) bought with the Stormraven as Deathwatch, and unless I can find a fluff reason to take a Deathwatch transport with Deathwatch Marines, I won't get rid of them. If I need points, I'll drop the full squad and put the smaller squad in the pod.
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2014/09/16 19:57:27
Subject: [3000] - Ultramarines - Campaign vs. Orks
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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So, this list cool?
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