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2014/10/03 21:02:48
Subject: New Player here - question about painting
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Hi dakka, I'm just starting FoW and I have a quick question.
How much flak would I take from other players/opponents if I paint my models.... un-historically? Like is the community similar to 40k where your own themes, paint schemes, etc are generally accepted and encouraged or is it HERESY if you paint your models in schemes that weren't actually used in history? I realize that FoW much more closely related to real-life (obviously) and historical elements of the game are extremely important. I'm just wondering how "rude" it would be to play with models that weren't historically accurate color wise.
Thanks for any input!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PXaEUwAZSc
"There is just something to be said about a 100, Green-tide Orks charging at you... it is unnerving... even to the most experienced player..."
5200 pnts
Flames of War Panzerkompanie
"RELEASE THE KRA- I MEAN, C'TAN!"
- Anonymous Necron Overlord who totally didn't impersonate Liam Neeson.
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2014/10/03 21:04:32
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Lieutenant General
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Depends on your opponents.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2014/10/03 21:12:52
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Irked Necron Immortal
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In your experience, what was the case usually?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PXaEUwAZSc
"There is just something to be said about a 100, Green-tide Orks charging at you... it is unnerving... even to the most experienced player..."
5200 pnts
Flames of War Panzerkompanie
"RELEASE THE KRA- I MEAN, C'TAN!"
- Anonymous Necron Overlord who totally didn't impersonate Liam Neeson.
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2014/10/03 21:24:26
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Raw SDF-1 Recruit
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At my store, everything is pretty much historic only.
The guys I've played were okay with Proxy models but I don't think they would play against yellow shermans with red racing stripes. I wouldn't mind, because I enjoy the game and I could careless if I'm fighting a pink Tiger I or a middlestone/dunkelgleb one.
That being said ... there's one guy at my store who will ask if you're playing Late Late war or Early Late war, and refuses to play the same countries against each other (apparently the concept of force on force exercises is beyond him).
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2014/10/03 21:37:43
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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I like to get as close to historically accurate as possible,
But if your willing to even paint your figs, it's better than the guy with hunks of Grey and silver on the table!!
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2014/10/03 22:22:06
Subject: Re:New Player here - quick question about painting
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Lieutenant General
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Personally I prefer playing against a force with at least a somewhat historically accurate paint scheme. I won't say anything if you're using a mid 1943 Mediterranean camouflage paint scheme for your late 1944 Northern European force but if you bring the clichéd 'Pink Panther'...
Yes, I know they're your miniatures and you can paint them however you like, but the game is a social event between the two players. If your opponents would prefer to play against an army that has a historically accurate paint scheme then it may be in your best interest to go with the social norms at your FLGS.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2014/10/04 00:34:18
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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The Main Man
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The bottom line is, you should paint your miniatures how you like. That said, personally, I play FOW because I like the history. There is a lot to be said for creative paint schemes, but if I wanted to do that, I'd do it with sci-fi or fantasy miniatures, like in 40k. I switched to 40k specifically because I wanted to play a historical game, and I know there are many other players who feel the same way, so if you're concerned, you should probably find out how the local gaming scene is in your area.
On the other hand, if I had to choose between a game vs. and unpainted army or a well-painted army with an ahistorical paint scheme, I would choose the painted army.
And by ahistorical paint scheme, like Ghaz, I'm referring to more extreme things like pink panthers, rather than something more minor like your troops having a paint scheme out of 1942 and mine from 1943.
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2014/10/04 01:05:24
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Raw SDF-1 Recruit
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I think it all goes in the same vein as the guy at my FLGS who builds historical lists, and buys multiples of everything so he can have his 1944 guys look different from his 1945 guys because they had different uniforms.
I agree with all the sentiments above. I paint mine historically because I feel it pays a homage to those who actually fought. So there is that aspect too that you might think about.
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2014/10/04 01:24:11
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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The Main Man
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Don't take this the wrong way, I am just genuinely curious: Why do you want to play a historical game and not paint your miniatures in a reasonably historical fashion?
I'm not condemning the choice, because you are certainly not the only one who does it, I'm just curious. To me, part of the draw of a sci-fi or fantasy game like Warhammer 40k or Warhammer Fantasy Battles is the ease of DIY paint schemes and the acceptance of doing completely original paint schemes. On the other hand, a big part of the draw of a historical game to me is the ability to recreate historical battles and units, and part of that is researching and recreating historical paint schemes.
That's just me though. So what draws you to the game? A good set of rules that's tighter than 40k and pretty well-balanced within periods? Again, totally not condemning, just legitimately curious.
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2014/10/04 04:05:39
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Hordini wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, I am just genuinely curious: Why do you want to play a historical game and not paint your miniatures in a reasonably historical fashion?
I'm not condemning the choice, because you are certainly not the only one who does it, I'm just curious. To me, part of the draw of a sci-fi or fantasy game like Warhammer 40k or Warhammer Fantasy Battles is the ease of DIY paint schemes and the acceptance of doing completely original paint schemes. On the other hand, a big part of the draw of a historical game to me is the ability to recreate historical battles and units, and part of that is researching and recreating historical paint schemes.
That's just me though. So what draws you to the game? A good set of rules that's tighter than 40k and pretty well-balanced within periods? Again, totally not condemning, just legitimately curious.
Like you said, it's the well balanced rules and lack of political concerns that attracted me. Not to mention a smaller price tag.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PXaEUwAZSc
"There is just something to be said about a 100, Green-tide Orks charging at you... it is unnerving... even to the most experienced player..."
5200 pnts
Flames of War Panzerkompanie
"RELEASE THE KRA- I MEAN, C'TAN!"
- Anonymous Necron Overlord who totally didn't impersonate Liam Neeson.
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2014/10/04 04:10:42
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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The Main Man
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Zaki66 wrote: Hordini wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, I am just genuinely curious: Why do you want to play a historical game and not paint your miniatures in a reasonably historical fashion?
I'm not condemning the choice, because you are certainly not the only one who does it, I'm just curious. To me, part of the draw of a sci-fi or fantasy game like Warhammer 40k or Warhammer Fantasy Battles is the ease of DIY paint schemes and the acceptance of doing completely original paint schemes. On the other hand, a big part of the draw of a historical game to me is the ability to recreate historical battles and units, and part of that is researching and recreating historical paint schemes.
That's just me though. So what draws you to the game? A good set of rules that's tighter than 40k and pretty well-balanced within periods? Again, totally not condemning, just legitimately curious.
Like you said, it's the well balanced rules and lack of political concerns that attracted me. Not to mention a smaller price tag.
Fair enough! Those are all good reasons, and were all reasons for me making the transition from 40k as well (in addition to the historical piece).
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2014/10/04 04:44:09
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Hordini wrote: Zaki66 wrote: Hordini wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, I am just genuinely curious: Why do you want to play a historical game and not paint your miniatures in a reasonably historical fashion? I'm not condemning the choice, because you are certainly not the only one who does it, I'm just curious. To me, part of the draw of a sci-fi or fantasy game like Warhammer 40k or Warhammer Fantasy Battles is the ease of DIY paint schemes and the acceptance of doing completely original paint schemes. On the other hand, a big part of the draw of a historical game to me is the ability to recreate historical battles and units, and part of that is researching and recreating historical paint schemes. That's just me though. So what draws you to the game? A good set of rules that's tighter than 40k and pretty well-balanced within periods? Again, totally not condemning, just legitimately curious. Like you said, it's the well balanced rules and lack of political concerns that attracted me. Not to mention a smaller price tag. Fair enough! Those are all good reasons, and were all reasons for me making the transition from 40k as well (in addition to the historical piece). I've been kind of getting fed up with the whole political controversies (don't get me started on the whole copyright dominance and "making profits" claims) and some "facts" that GW has been telling to its customers.... including the price tags. I've had the hobby for half a decade but I think it may be time to put it to rest until a more civilized time comes for GW. I'm not quitting 40k so to speak but money that I'd be normally spending for my Necrons will now turn towards German Panzers. And yes, I've been very partial to WW2 history as well but a custom paint idea is sorta.... I just don't find it suitable to fight a Soviet army in the Eastern front using models that are painted for western Europe camo. I figured that having your own interesting scheme (and yes, no pink panthers) that aren't too whacky might serve to be brighten up the mood a bit, creating conversations and such. Thanks everyone for your input here. While I do respect and appreciate the historical piece, I also see that there may be a small window of opportunity for creativity as long as it isn't too radical. Afterall, it is a game and like many have said, a painted army - even if historically inaccurate - is preferable to slabs of grey and silver. As you have all suggested, I'll look into my local gaming communities and their preferences to make sure I won't be offending anyone. For the record, I was thinking of painting a German Panzer army in Iron Warriors scheme from Warhammer 40k (dark silver with hazard stripes) sort of giving the army the feeling of "experimental unit".
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PXaEUwAZSc
"There is just something to be said about a 100, Green-tide Orks charging at you... it is unnerving... even to the most experienced player..."
5200 pnts
Flames of War Panzerkompanie
"RELEASE THE KRA- I MEAN, C'TAN!"
- Anonymous Necron Overlord who totally didn't impersonate Liam Neeson.
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2014/10/04 06:43:52
Subject: Re:New Player here - quick question about painting
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Dakka Veteran
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Your choice at the end of the day but for me FOW is for accurate historical painting and WarHammer is all about letting your artistic juices flow if you require
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Old warriors die hard
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2014/10/04 07:25:27
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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1st Lieutenant
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Agreed it's your models so your choice - but it is a historical game
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2014/10/04 10:02:47
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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There's a fair bit of slack with some camouflage especially the german stuff. You'll always get some people trying to tell you what olive green *really* looks like (they're wrong). You a can do lots of things and just about stay historical there's only a few things that don't look right like late war vehicles in panzer grey, etc.
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2014/10/04 10:32:58
Subject: New Player here - quick question about painting
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Id say WW2 is very political!
Im in the history camp for WW2, aint painted right, aint playing. I know people who played it for real, so may as well make the effort. The history element is the big thing for me.
So no, im not sure I would play with stuff not painted to some degree of historical representation as it would ruin the visual escapism for me. I wouldnt use desert themed vehicles on a NWE terrain layout. Its just wrong and sends me into fits.
For me a ww2 wargame is all about the historical visual, the blend of historical research and modelling to get some degree of authenticity to the army for its period upon terrain representative of the setting.
Otherwise, may as well just play 40k.
Of course, thats my enforced view in my house, what you do in your personal version of our hobby is entirely your choice, so go with whatever it is you want to do... its a hobby that is supposed to be about having fun.
Do whatever gives you the most fun for the time invested and bugger anyone else.
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