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Hey mates, currently I am in the process of building my Mechanized Infantry list, and while I was initially planning on doing a veteran list from the Astra Militarum Codex, I came across the Death Korps of Krieg Assault Brigade list in Imperial Armor 12. Reason I like the feel of this one more is that I believe I can actually run a more effective Storm Trooper list than the one from the Militarum Tempestus Codex, as I have access to LRBT,'s as well as other options, granted at a higher price than the regular Astra Militarum Codex. That being said, I am still not sure what to add to my list to make it effective. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for anything super competitive, but i would like a list where I would be able to compete against most opponents. At the moment, this is what I definitely plan to have:

* Command Squad:
-w/Commander w/BP, CCW, 1x Standard, 1x Veteran, 2x Melta Guns
-Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hull-Mounted Hvy. Flamer.

* 4x Grenadier Squads:
-w/Sgt. w/Hot-Shot Laspistol, CCW, 7x Hot-Shot Lasguns, 2x Plasma Guns, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hull-Mounted Hvy. Flamer.

* Thunderbolt Gunship

At the moment that totals up to 1265 points, so I still have points that I have left to spend. As the Assault Brigade varies when it comes to choices, here is what I could spend the points on:

* ELITES: Engineer Squads (aka Cheaper Grenadiers w/Shredding, Gets Hot Shotguns), Griffon Tanks, Hydra Tanks, Rapier Laser Destroyers, Super Expensive Leman Russ Varient that acts as a Forward Observer for artillery units w/Barrage.

* FAST ATTACK: Hellhound Varients, Salamander Recon Tanks, DKOK Rider Squadrons.

*HEAVY SUPPORT: Leman Russ Varients (A bit more expensive), Field Artillery Units, Ordnance Tanks including Medusa's, and the Thunderer Siege Tank (basically a Demolisher with no other weapons but the Demolisher Cannon).

At the moment, I am leaning towards 2x LRBT'S, possibly the Annihilator Varient, as it would give me some much needed Anti-Tank w/a Twin-Linked Lascannon Turret and a Hull-Mounted Lascannon, or just keep it simple with a Demolisher or a Medusa. I could always run more Grenadier Squads, but I am willing to listen to other suggestions and appreciate and tactical advice you can give me.

Unfortunately, because of the awful HQ tax you're required to pay for the assault brigade you're probably better off building your army from other sources. The Armored Battlegroup list gives you LRBTs and stormtroopers in Chimeras, the stormtrooper codex can be allied to an ABG list to give you cheaper infantry, IA:Vraks gives you death riders, and codex veterans in Chimeras are always a good option.

The best thing in the list, by far, is the BS4 Rapier Laser Destroyer.

Take as many of those as you can, they're worth their weight in gold.

The next best thing is 55pt Heavy Mortars/Thudd Guns. Super solid.

Isn't there a whole sub forum dedicated to this type of thread?

Going to move this to the army lists board.

Best of luck with the list -- pics please as/when !

 Toofast wrote:
Isn't there a whole sub forum dedicated to this type of thread?

If there is I would like to know about it lol. That being said, I want to do a storm trooper list and comparing the Assault Brigade to the Militarum Tempestus Codex, I like the Assault Brigade better as I have a lot more variety and units to choose from compared to the Scions. Don't get me wrong, I am completely aware that this list has a few drawbacks, particularly that their units are a bit more pricey than the current Imperial Guard, however not to the extreme and they are the only army list that I could find that can take not only Storm Troopers as a troop choice but that they can also field Chimeras with Autocannon turrets as a dedicated transport. Please keep the advice to helping me with this army lists and not try to tell me to do something else please.

If you're still looking at a mechanized force of Grenadiers, needing to clear out 235pts, best advice I can give is take 2 units of 2 Rapier Laser Destroyers and a Salamander Scout tank. That'll give you at least some ranged anti-tank that's pretty fearsome, and the Salamander will give you an extra hull and a distraction for the opponent to throw some hate at while your other units do their thing.

 Vaktathi wrote:
If you're still looking at a mechanized force of Grenadiers, needing to clear out 235pts, best advice I can give is take 2 units of 2 Rapier Laser Destroyers and a Salamander Scout tank. That'll give you at least some ranged anti-tank that's pretty fearsome, and the Salamander will give you an extra hull and a distraction for the opponent to throw some hate at while your other units do their thing.

Appreciate the advice mate. However my current Chimera Squads are only coming out to 225 points, and that is with 10x Grenadiers w/2x Plasama Guns in a Storm Chimera w/Hull-Mounted Hvy. Flamer. What else are you giving them to make them 235 points?

And I do like the Rapier Laser Destroyers, as they are a nice bit of Anti-Tank and relativity cheap, but do you have any suggestions on what would be a solid LRBT to field with a Mechanized Grenadier list? The Demolisher is always a solid choice thanks to the S10 Demolisher Cannon, however I have been tempted in using some of the Artillery Elements, particularly the Medusa or the Colossus Bombard Artillery Piece. Both have there advantages, as the Medusa is basically a Cheaper Demolisher with Lighter Armor but access to a S10 AP1 Shell, while the is S6 and AP3 but Ignores Cover, which could be huge to say the least against infantry heavy lists. Also are any Fast Attack options worth taking such as the Hellhound or one of the Variants or are they kinda meh for the DKOK Assault Brigade. Still very new to Astra Militarum in general, not just the DKOK.

 Ironwolf45 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
If you're still looking at a mechanized force of Grenadiers, needing to clear out 235pts, best advice I can give is take 2 units of 2 Rapier Laser Destroyers and a Salamander Scout tank. That'll give you at least some ranged anti-tank that's pretty fearsome, and the Salamander will give you an extra hull and a distraction for the opponent to throw some hate at while your other units do their thing.

Appreciate the advice mate. However my current Chimera Squads are only coming out to 225 points, and that is with 10x Grenadiers w/2x Plasama Guns in a Storm Chimera w/Hull-Mounted Hvy. Flamer. What else are you giving them to make them 235 points?

Oh sorry, I didn't mean the Grenadier units themselves, I was looking at the first post where you had 235 to spare (you were looking to get to 1500 right IIRC?)

And I do like the Rapier Laser Destroyers, as they are a nice bit of Anti-Tank and relativity cheap, but do you have any suggestions on what would be a solid LRBT to field with a Mechanized Grenadier list? The Demolisher is always a solid choice thanks to the S10 Demolisher Cannon, however I have been tempted in using some of the Artillery Elements, particularly the Medusa or the Colossus Bombard Artillery Piece. Both have there advantages, as the Medusa is basically a Cheaper Demolisher with Lighter Armor but access to a S10 AP1 Shell, while the is S6 and AP3 but Ignores Cover, which could be huge to say the least against infantry heavy lists. Also are any Fast Attack options worth taking such as the Hellhound or one of the Variants or are they kinda meh for the DKOK Assault Brigade. Still very new to Astra Militarum in general, not just the DKOK.

Unfortunately this list still uses all the old points costs for Leman Russ tanks, so they're all really expensive and none are particularly good at killing tanks, but my favorite "generalist" Leman Russ is an Exterminator with a hull lascannon and sponsons to taste, that'll let it fill several roles including AA in a pinch.The Medusa is an excellent tank hunter, just not the most durable. The only FA options I like in the list are Salamanders and Death Riders (mainly because they look cool )

Was actually planning on fielding a 2000 point list to start, and then work on the smaller lists from there utilizing the extra models or other things I will eventually get for this army to mix everything up. And I appreciate the help with this. That being said, while I do like the idea of the Rapier Laser Destroyers, I wanted to do a pure Mobile Storm Trooper list, which basically means Squads in Chimeras supported but LRBT's, Hellhounds, etc. That being said, here is another attempt on this list so tell me what you think and where I can make some changes.

HQ

+ Company Command Squad:
-w/Commander w/Power Sword, BP, 2x Veterans w/Melta Guns, 1x Regimental Standard, 1x Veteran w/Lasgun, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

ELITES

+ Engineer Squad #1:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Shotgun, Acid Bombs, 9x Engineers w/Shotguns, Carcass Shot, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

+ Engineer Squad #2:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Shotgun, Acid Bombs, 9x Engineers w/Shotguns, Carcass Shot, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

TROOPS

+ Grenadier Squad #1:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 7x Hot-Shot Lasguns, 2x Plasma Guns, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

+ Grenadier Squad #2:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 7x Hot-Shot Lasguns, 2x Plasma Guns, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

+ Grenadier Squad #3:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 7x Hot-Shot Lasguns, 2x Plasma Guns, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

+ Grenadier Squad #4:
-w/Sgt. w/CCW, Hot-Shot Laspistol, 7x Hot-Shot Lasguns, 2x Plasma Guns, Storm Chimera w/Autocannon, Hvy. Flamer.

HEAVY SUPPORT

+ Exterminator:
-w/Hull-Mounted Lascannon, 2x Hvy. Bolter Side Sponsors

+ Exterminator:
-w/Hull-Mounted Lascannon, 2x Hvy. Bolter Side Sponsors

+ Thunderbolt:
-w/Armored Cockpit, 2x Twin-Linked Autocannons, 1x Twin-Linked Lascannon

Total: 1997 points

Now before, I was considering the Demolishers as I some people suggested I needed more Anti-Tank weaponry then what I had, however I am a bit confused by this statement. As it stands right now, I have a ton of S7 shots from the Chimera's and the Exterminators, and while I admit I don't have a lot of Anti-Tank that can take out Armor 14, from what I have seen in my current meta and in a lot of the more recent Tournaments is a severe lack of that so I am confident I should be ok for the most part, And as for the Engineers, granted they are only armed with Shotguns, but they can Shred and it was the only way I could squeeze in some extra troops on top of utilizing more Chimeras and the Autocannons they come with. Feedback appreciated.

Here's the big issue I see right off the bat, there's a huge lack heavy anti-tank as noted.

The S7 isn't *that* numerous overall for a 2k list, and while the Exterminators & Thunderbolt are at least twin-linked, the others are just straight BS3, but the Thunderbolt also has to wait on reserves. If you had to fight a mirror match the tank fights would largely be a wet-noodle fight.

Against anything like AV11/12 in cover or that can Jink, Necrons in general with AV13 shields, or any sort of AV14, there's going to be a huge issue as you've only got three BS3 lascannons and a couple of meltaguns to deal with that, and that unfortunately is just too little.

Now, as much as I want to like the Engineers, they're really not bringing much to the table here aside from some really overpriced shotguns that are likely to kill themselves and a couple of extra heavy flamers that might get to fire once. I feel where you're coming from in wanting a mechanized, mobile infantry force, I've tried the exact same armies, and unfortunately those units really are the chaff of the army :(

Now, if you really just do not want to go with the Rapiers (which are *amazing*), and want to stick with the Engineers, give them a Breaching Drill instead. These got updated in the newest Vraks book, and function infinitely more effectively in there, though really won't be doing anything until turn 3. Essentially the drill is attached to the unit and is a T/Wounds model instead of a vehicle and does a huge number of melta-HoW hits when you assault with it, but must start in Deep Strike reserve.