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Just a list I put together and would like to try. I like the concept of using bikes and fast moving units.

Chaos Lord - MoS, SoC, Skull of Ker'ngar, The Spinshiver Blade, Bike, VotLW = 200p

Chosen - 5x Meltagun, Combi-melta, Power Axe, VotLW - 225p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, = 40p

Chosen - 4x Meltagun, Combi-melta, Power Axe, VotLW - 225p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, = 40p

Chaos Bikers - 5xBikers, MoS, IoE, 2x Melta, VotLW = 180p
Heldrake - Baleflamer = 170p

Total = 1000 points.

Its not a bad list but I do think the csm unit should be swapped out for another chosen unit with the same equipment. Also drop the havoc launcher on the rhinos, they are not really needed and they will also not be around long enough for them to be used.

Thanks. I went with CSMs becoause I wanted numbers. The Havoc Launchers were just to fill up points. With the extra points from your suggestions I was able to add one Chosen to each unit. Updated original post.

For a time, I ran this list

Abaddon joined by 8 Chosen, 1 pf on not champion, IoE in a Land Raider with dirge Caster.

5 Chosen, 4 melta guns, rhino
repeat

5 Chosen, 4 plasmagun, rhino
repeat

Chosen, 4 flamers, rhino

It had so many problems. Ultra Low body Count, 1 landraider that always got popped. Rhinos that gave 1st blood.

After Black Legion Supplement came out.

Huron in group of 20 Marines, MoS, IoE

5 Chosen, 4 Meltaguns, VotLW, Rhinos
repeat

5 Chosen, 4 Flamers, VotlW, Rhino
repeat

2x10 cultists

Votlw Tax was just too much

The crux was that marines n their guns were too cost inefficient.

For csm to be winning, you had to min max cad tax n dpam hvy n fast slots.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Just a list I put together and would like to try. I like the concept of using bikes and fast moving units.

Chaos Lord - MoS, SoC, Skull of Ker'ngar, The Spinshiver Blade, Bike, VotLW = 200p

Chosen - 5x Meltagun, Combi-melta, Power Axe, VotLW - 225p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, = 40p

Chosen - 4x Meltagun, Combi-melta, Power Axe, VotLW - 225p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, = 40p

Chaos Bikers - 5xBikers, MoS, IoE, 2x Melta, VotLW = 180p
Heldrake - Baleflamer = 170p

Total = 1000 points.

Good list.

I like it a lot.

In small point games it should do pretty well. You have got a hard as nails lord with a survivable biker bodyguard, and lots of high strength shots to deal with mc and elite units. The trick with Black Legion is to make your small elite army hit one area of the enemy force to cause as much damage as possible. If you spread out you will lose a lot of stuff reasonable quickly.

Good luck in your future games.

Thanks, I hope to have the army finished soon so I can run my first game with it!

I'm just not sold on Chosen over normal CSM's. Like mentioned earlier, the low boy count can hurt pretty bad especially in smaller games where each body is worth that much more.

It is really nice to fit a larger number of specialist weapons on them, but do you really think 11 Melta guns will be required at 1000 points? It would just suck to burn up all their armor, and only be left with 1 shot 12" not-ideal infantry killers. Have you thought about running one squad with plasma instead? It's more expensive, but gives you some variety of higher shots and MEQ killers.

this is why IG is so much better at spamming spec guns.

chosen are worthless without infiltrate.

look up Cypher and his true chosen marines.

Can Cypher and his chosen take rhinos? If so it would fit my theme and I could run him "counts as".

If you want to stay with mechanized infantry (marines in rhinos for speedy units) Chosen are kind of a waste. You don't have enough fire ports to utilize all of the Chosen's spec. weapons, and once you unload they're going to be a soft and very expensive unit.

The only thing I've seen Chosen excel at is being a replacement for Zerkers, due to their higher WS and also having a bolter/bolt pistol/CCW at the same time. Even this is debatable though.

Is your game plan to have everything speeding down the field at the same rate as the bikes?

The plan was to use fast moving units to move down the board and force my opponet to chose his targets. Trying to utilize cover to protect the bikes untill they can close in. Here is my updated list.

Black Riders 1.2

Chaos Lord - MoS, SoC, Skull of Ker'ngar, The Spinshiver Blade, Bike, GoM, VotLW = 200p

CSM - 9x Marines, 2x Melta, VotLW = 170p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, Dozer Blade = 45p
CSM - 9x Marines, 2x Plasma, VotLW = 180p
Rhino - Dirge Caster, Dozer Blade = 45p

Chaos Bikers - 5xBikers, MoS, IoE, 2x Melta, VotLW = 180p
Heldrake - Baleflamer = 170p

Total = 1000 points.

Maybe add "Cypher" and Chosen at 1500 points. Throw them in a pod or LR?

That's looking like a more reliable list, enough threats to where you opponent is going to have to let something through.

Have you thought about Maulerfiends at all? Not sure if you're limited by models, but they make for excellent bullet sponges and are a huge melee threat to vehicles. Plus they move 12" a turn through cover, pretty nice.

I have one moslty built and will be fully magnatized. I want to get a second one as well. I could use them when I go up in points, but I prefer lower point builds. Should I give the Melta squad the CCW loadout, or keep bolters?

I've always found the CCW marine loadout to be lacking. The only time you really want your CSM's to be in deep melee combat is against squishes like Guardsmen or Firewarriors. I personally play them more as tactical fire support than melee beatsticks. Also, you would not be able to assault out of the Rhino, so you would likely be spending at least 1 turn getting shot at before the charge.

CSM's are known as one of the most underwhelming troop choices in the game, mostly due to low leadership (though VotLW helps that). Their versatility is where they can actually shine, though. Having the option to take two specialist weapons at 10 rocks (take that Loyalists).

I will stick with Bolters then. At 1500 all I need to add is a pair of Maulerfiends and I am good to go. Any higher and I might buy a FIre Raptor.