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Came up with this list for NOVA I'm calling Arachnophobia, and so far really liking it:

Decurion:
Reclamation Legion:
Overlord
10 Warriors
10 Warriors
5 Immortals
3 Tomb Blades: Nebuloscopes, Shield Vanes
4x Canoptek Harvest:
Spyder
3 Wraiths
3 Scarabs
Eldar Aspect Host:
7 Warp Spiders: Exarch w/TL Deathspinners
7 Warp Spiders: Exarch w/TL Deathspinners
7 Warp Spiders: Exarch

Thoughts?

Relying on the Warp Spiders to do the killing? I mean it is a tough list that won't go down easy. But what have you got that actually kills stuff?

 FlingitNow wrote:
Relying on the Warp Spiders to do the killing? I mean it is a tough list that won't go down easy. But what have you got that actually kills stuff?

So far in my experience, piles of Scarabs and Wraiths can tear down things, but I'm curious what sorts of lists you think they won't be able to handle?

Well Gladius or Lion's Blade for a start. Neither Scarabs nor Wraiths kill very much. So you're going to be losing objectives to ObSec all game and you're not tabling anyone with this list.

Pent Flyrant largely laughs at you. Thunderknightstar has the damage output to chew through the Wraiths though you can combat that with good play.

I'm just not sure what your plan is to actually win games? Yes you're not getting tabled by anyone and you're not losing big. But I don't see the plan to actually win games and win big.

Gladius will be tough, no doubt, and not going to end in a blowout either way. As a long-time tyranid player, I'm of the opinion that pentyrant isn't a great list, and honestly in NOVA missions I can ignore them and max out pretty easily.

Thunderwolf star will be tough, too. Don't hate my odds in those matches, but won't be straightforward to victory either. Definitely need to test out this matchup more.

Curious what list you think can handle those if this can't.

Ones with damage output. The following Necron units supply good damage output:

Tomb blades
Judicator Battalion
Lychstar
Doomscythes
Doomsday Arks
Zandrekh Warrior blob can

That's about it for Crons. They are more a tough army than a killy army. Eldar are very killy, Scytheguard would be the most obvious Eldar ally to take though for RaW damage output.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Ones with damage output. The following Necron units supply good damage output:

Tomb blades
Judicator Battalion
Lychstar
Doomscythes
Doomsday Arks
Zandrekh Warrior blob can

That's about it for Crons. They are more a tough army than a killy army. Eldar are very killy, Scytheguard would be the most obvious Eldar ally to take though for RaW damage output.

Why isn't Destroyer Cult here?

Because I'm an idiot yeah add Destroyer Cult to that list.


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Against the right targets Flayed ones do decent damage too.

I think you're underestimating the damage output of Wraiths. I could do Destroyer Cult (probably the other best formation in the book), but would have to drop the Warp Spiders and probably a Canoptek Harvest too. Could also add a second unit of Tomb Blades by trimming some Warp Spiders, but not sure they become too easy to take out at that point.

The issue with scythe blades is to be effective, they need Dark Eldar transports, at which point I can't take Decurion in NOVA format, and honestly then it becomes an Eldar/DE army, not a Necron one.

I ran double Harvest at the last Tourney I went to. I well know Wraiths damage output. It really isn't great or even good. They are a tarpit.

Why do Scythes need a DE transport to be effective? I'd never put them in a DE transport. I'd use a WWP on them instead. Scytheguard aren't the only option for damage. But you need more than Spiders (which are good).

Sorry, should have been more general - scytheguard need DE, which I can't do without giving up decurion in NOVA format, and then it's a totally different list, aka, Eldar and friends, not Necron fluff abomination. Pretty much the only variant I've considered is dropping the Eldar for destroyer cult, and maybe swapping spiders for other aspect warriors, but not convinced any of that makes the list better.

Trying to figure out what the toughest matchups for this list will be. Thinking daemons /D-thirster and Thunderwolf star. Jetbike council lists will be tough too.

Gladius ruins your day too. You just don't have the damage output to stop it grabbing all the objectives.

 FTGTEvan wrote:
I think you're underestimating the damage output of Wraiths.

And I'm pretty certain you're over estimating them. Every good Necron player knows Wraiths are reliable for one thing: catching and holding enemy units that will cause you trouble. If you're relying on them to do the killing, you're going to be bitterly disappointed.

I could do Destroyer Cult (probably the other best formation in the book), but would have to drop the Warp Spiders and probably a Canoptek Harvest too. Could also add a second unit of Tomb Blades by trimming some Warp Spiders, but not sure they become too easy to take out at that point.

Yes, a Decurion with fully stocked Destroyer Cult, a ton of Tomb Blades, and two Harvests sounds significantly more competitive.

I like the concept of this list

Playtests have been pretty limited, but should be getting 2-3 more games in before NOVA. So far, the list is 3-1 (all 4 games against Invitational players and lists), with my one loss to Darkwynn on VASSAL; it was close either way (1 point difference) and a couple chances to steal 2 points away. I'm not tabling people, but the list has the ability to score the primary very well and deny secondary/tertiary.

Is margin of victory important for tournament standings at Nova? If so your lack of damage output will cost you. Otherwise it looks like it is doing well for you and doing what you wanted.

Nova is hugely restricted in what you can take isn't it? One of those tournaments run by the fear of meta change brigade with none of the powerful stuff allowed and none of the variation stuff allowed. So Deathstars are the main go to option like at the end of 6th?

Well, I find that the Necron side is not good enough. Warriors and Immortals without transports, small units of Tomb Blades and Wraiths.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Is margin of victory important for tournament standings at Nova? If so your lack of damage output will cost you. Otherwise it looks like it is doing well for you and doing what you wanted.

Nova is hugely restricted in what you can take isn't it? One of those tournaments run by the fear of meta change brigade with none of the powerful stuff allowed and none of the variation stuff allowed. So Deathstars are the main go to option like at the end of 6th?

Margin of victory isn't factored in. I wouldn't say it's hugely restricted, but it is limited. I see it as fairly middle of the road as far as the tournament scene here goes. The missions help balance deathstars to a degree. They're still good but not as dominant as in 6th. MSU is the on-paper go to for NOVA this year.

I thought they didn't even allow Unbound or Super Heavies? Which is hugely restrictive. Plus there is a limit to 3 sources I believe? I could be wrong but if all the above is true that is hugely restrictive.

Heh, well we have highly different definitions of restrictive. Unbound is pretty much banned everywhere, justifiably IMO. The Superheavy ban is the more notable restriction that's not pretty standard in tournaments, but again, personally a fan. They were one of the first to bump from 2 to 3 detachments. If that's not the game you want to play, fine, no one is making you, but it's my favorite format.

I just don't get why people are against Unbound? What is the point in banning it? If someone wants to run a weak a list why ban them?

With invisistars abound super heavies are one of the better counters to them. Again they are not super powered for their points in general. I just don't get why people don't want to play against a variety of lists and why these TOs are so desperate to protect the old net lists.

But if that is what you want to play that is your choice. Fortunately the UK GT is better organised and the only weird exclusion is Unbound.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Well Gladius or Lion's Blade for a start. Neither Scarabs nor Wraiths kill very much. So you're going to be losing objectives to ObSec all game and you're not tabling anyone with this list.

Pent Flyrant largely laughs at you. Thunderknightstar has the damage output to chew through the Wraiths though you can combat that with good play.

I'm just not sure what your plan is to actually win games? Yes you're not getting tabled by anyone and you're not losing big. But I don't see the plan to actually win games and win big.

They will tear apart the rhinos/razorbacks and no one is ever worried about tacs sooo yeah should be fine for gladius

Lots of scoring options here that can snag quick points and goof survivability. I mean this is a lot better than the typical cron lists I see that have judicator battalions (SOOOO BAD), and annihiliation nexuses (might as well quit before you play)

I'm not against unbound as long as everyone knows it's on the table. Most people are just scared of being out thought or hate change

But you throw 5 marines at the wraiths and that's them slugging it for most of the game whilst ObSec ensures those marines are grabbing point if that is on or near an objective. When do you ever see Annihilation Nexuses? I don't.

Unbound is generally inferior to battleforged any way so I don't see the reason to ban it except fear.

Very happy with how the list performed. Went 5-1, making it to the quarter finals. Honestly, the only change I see myself making me dropping a Warp Spider from each squad, and the two twin links, and adding another unit of tomb blades. Otherwise, it did exactly what I needed to have a chance to win it all.

Excellent.
Don't suppose you took any photos/did a battle report, did you?

Well done. Congrats

 skoffs wrote:
Excellent.
Don't suppose you took any photos/did a battle report, did you?

I did, but just got home like 5 hours ago. Will post/write it up in the coming week or so.