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2015/09/03 06:45:07
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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Is it mean-spirited or unsportsmanlike to paint your gak units in loud, distracting paint schemes, while your workhorse units are painted incognito?
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2015/09/03 06:53:38
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Nope, totally cool.
Tyranid can be a tough army to face as a new player due to everyone kinda looking the same.
Scouts painted in camouflage are often overlooked or left on the table between games.
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Oli: Can I be an orc?
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2015/09/03 08:27:30
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Not at all. USed to see it in fantasy, where the rubbish heroes were really noticeable, and the army general / BSB would just blend in.
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2015/09/03 13:14:43
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Orlando
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Camouflage is a viable tactic and doesn't just mean blending into the terrain. The game isn't just about who rolls dice better. Modeling to advantage is a different story.
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Infantrymen do not die, they go to heaven and regroup. |
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2015/09/03 13:17:35
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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smart, your not doing anything to the model as such making it taller or shrinking its height, just letting your oponant make a mistake and maybe miss those scouts.
of course cammo is a 2 way thing and urban on a desert board is never going to work
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2015/09/03 13:19:19
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Nope, totally cool.
Tyranid can be a tough army to face as a new player due to everyone kinda looking the same.
Scouts painted in camouflage are often overlooked or left on the table between games.
There have been times where I’ve wanted to make a big card to leave on the table:
REMEMBER TO SHOOT WITH THE SCOUTS.
I infiltrate my camo snipers into a woods somewhere, and totally forget about them.
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2015/09/03 13:28:53
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Orlando
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Yeah, years ago I had made some scouts, camo'd them with cloaks and lichen and infiltrated them into woods in the center of the table. Both my opponent and I forgot about them the entire game until it was time to pack up and were pulling terrain off the table.
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2015/09/03 14:23:20
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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My first army, bezerkers in a lovely gore / warlock purple hue.
Play on a cool themed board, death world, with red coloured forest-style areas.
Unit talisman of burning blood'ed into one of those on my extreme flank (shortest distance to the enemy!) first turn, and both me and my opponent genuinely forgot about them until turn 4
THen, with some ludicrous dice ("6" for the extra move distance, 6" charge, 6" consolidation just taking me into another enemy, then another "6" extra move to get into a second combat, with another 6" consolidation at the end) they moved a total of 42" in two turns, to threaten his key unit all the way across the table. Almost as if they were pointin out how awesome they could have been all game
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2015/09/03 14:50:29
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I paint all of my Alpha Legionnaires to look like Black Templars. True story.
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2015/09/03 15:14:25
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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The Hammer of Witches
A new day, a new time zone.
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jasper76 wrote:Is it mean-spirited or unsportsmanlike to paint your gak units in loud, distracting paint schemes, while your workhorse units are painted incognito?
Given that it really wouldn't have any effect on the game, unless you forgot about them? The paint color doesn't really matter, since your opponent is going to be reminded of your 'work horse' units every turn when you do something with them.
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2015/09/03 15:34:11
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Confessor Of Sins
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Surely it's no different than talking about how tough/hard/killy that one unit is without actually making things up (like claiming it has rules it doesn't)? If the opponent buys it and lets your other units go to town on him it's really his own fault and he'll remember next time.
Or maybe he won't... All those Tau hate threads where players cried about how tough the Riptide was seemed to indicate some just have to go for the biggest target every time. Congratulations on spending three rounds pouring all fire into the Riptide so the Pathfinders and Marker Drones were free to buff it to insanity. Now tell us again why you had to try it over and over until you came to write a whine post on the forums.
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2015/09/03 16:03:01
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Norn Queen
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Painting for advantage is definitely a new twist on me.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2015/09/03 16:29:05
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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I forget to shoot with half my models anyways... I feel like dulling the paint would just hamper me more.
Overall I think it's a cool idea and translates into real world combat as well. No sense throwing flamboyant colors and drenching flags/spikes all over a general you want to keep safe.
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2015/09/03 16:53:00
Subject: Re:Painting for Advantage
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Nasty Nob
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What about painting your models in such a way to elicit an emotional response? Mismatched armor, stripes and polka-dots, neon, intentionally-awful paint job, etc. I could see it working as a kind of psychological warfare to confuse/anger/annoy certain players. (Note: I am not advocating this. )
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2015/09/03 16:55:00
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Dakka Veteran
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Purposefully tricking your opponent is lame. Don't be lame. Be cool.
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2015/09/03 16:58:06
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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I'm pretty sure that even in the BRB, while you're given possible color schemes for your models, they encourage you to paint them the way you want to. They are your models after all.
...might have to make a DA Polkadot Squad
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Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
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2015/09/03 20:50:31
Subject: Re:Painting for Advantage
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The Hammer of Witches
A new day, a new time zone.
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Cleatus wrote:What about painting your models in such a way to elicit an emotional response? Mismatched armor, stripes and polka-dots, neon, intentionally-awful paint job, etc. I could see it working as a kind of psychological warfare to confuse/anger/annoy certain players. (Note: I am not advocating this. )
Sure, it's your money, so if you want to waste on models you make look like gak...
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"-Nonsense, the Inquisitor and his retinue are our hounoured guests, of course we should invite them to celebrate Four-armed Emperor-day with us..." Thought for the Day - Never use the powerfist hand to wipe. |
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2015/09/03 20:51:52
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
What's left of Cadia
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It wouldn't be mean-spirited to do that at all. I paint my assault marines a bright garish blue and everything else a muted blue to my opponent's gaze is drawn to them rather than my chapter master and posse in a razorback.
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
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2015/09/03 20:53:05
Subject: Re:Painting for Advantage
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Cleatus wrote:What about painting your models in such a way to elicit an emotional response? Mismatched armor, stripes and polka-dots, neon, intentionally-awful paint job, etc. I could see it working as a kind of psychological warfare to confuse/anger/annoy certain players. (Note: I am not advocating this. )
Sounds Slaaneshi/Tzeentchian.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2015/09/03 21:03:08
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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The Hammer of Witches
A new day, a new time zone.
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War Kitten wrote:It wouldn't be mean-spirited to do that at all. I paint my assault marines a bright garish blue and everything else a muted blue to my opponent's gaze is drawn to them rather than my chapter master and posse in a razorback.
Okay? And? It's not like electric blue means grav canons are suddenly shooting at them instead of at the chapter master.
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"-Nonsense, the Inquisitor and his retinue are our hounoured guests, of course we should invite them to celebrate Four-armed Emperor-day with us..." Thought for the Day - Never use the powerfist hand to wipe. |
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2015/09/03 22:13:41
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Saber wrote:Purposefully tricking your opponent is lame. Don't be lame. Be cool.
Sorry, but I disagree. I think that purposely tricking your opponent is as much a viable tactic as shooting at them or assaulting them. It's just another part of the game.
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2015/09/03 22:17:50
Subject: Re:Painting for Advantage
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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Cleatus wrote: could see it working as a kind of psychological warfare to confuse/anger/annoy certain players. (Note: I am not advocating this. )
Are you Secretly an Alpha Legionnaire?
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2015/09/03 22:23:13
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
Netherlands
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Red goz fasta!
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2015/09/04 01:54:27
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Dakka Veteran
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Jimsolo wrote: Saber wrote:Purposefully tricking your opponent is lame. Don't be lame. Be cool.
Sorry, but I disagree. I think that purposely tricking your opponent is as much a viable tactic as shooting at them or assaulting them. It's just another part of the game.
Depends on what you mean by 'trick.' Sometimes, it's tactics and gameplay. That's fun and mentally engaging. Sometimes, it's purposefully painting and modelling your miniatures in such a way as to add a new 'guess what my model does' phase to the game. That's annoying.
Your opponent is your friend. Don't annoy your friend. Give him a good time and some pretty models to look at. Maybe buy him a drink. Just don't poke him in the eye with your paint scheme.
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Madness is however an affliction which in war carries with it the advantage of surprise - Winston Churchill |
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2015/09/04 02:13:56
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Painting for advantage is an interesting concept I've never really considered.
I think most people would be fine with dulling down important units and glaring up unimportant units.
But here's an idea that I think some people might find more "TFG"-ish, how about you paint 8 of your bolters in muted colours, one randomly bright bolter, and then paint the plasma gun the same as the other bolters so that you opponent doesn't notice you have a plasma gun in the unit? Or painting a power sword in a way that makes it look the same as all the chainswords the rest of the unit is equipped with? Or painting Tyranid biomorphs so they aren't noticeable?
Would you consider that trying to subvert WYSIWYG or is that fair game as well?
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2015/09/04 02:29:33
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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I heard of this long ago, back with 2nd edition warhammer, when you could adjust stats of units for extra points.
One guy gave all his elite units rough paintjobs, and throwaway units decent paintjobs.
This to me is not acceptable if the paintwork or modeling is intended to deceive. Players should provide basic info on who the characters are and which unit is which, and an opponent should be prepare to repeat this info if necessary.
Skaven would be an army susceptible to this. If it is unclear which units are Stormvermin, slaves and clanrats respectively and the player doesnt clearly explain then he is cheating.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
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2015/09/04 09:31:45
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Hallowed Canoness
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It's not really any different from parking my Seraphim behind a two story building for three turns waiting for the enemy to crowd into the narrow street on the other side of it, the jumping over now they're in neat hand flamer formation, so...
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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2015/09/04 09:59:03
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Most of my units are painted in either khaki or field grey. Then again these are my current armies colour schemes - British and German units in WW2.
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2015/09/04 10:17:14
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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What if someone paints their CSM in extremely decayed colours, and their Plague Marines crisp and clean?
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I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a |
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2015/09/04 12:44:18
Subject: Painting for Advantage
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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I say paint your models how you want. If your opponet cannot determine target priority because your CM is dull green and your tacticals are bright yellow, that is on him. You just forked out a gak-load of money for that army, don't let someone tell you how to paint it.
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
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