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I just started a CSM army after having sold my stuff a while back. It was kind of an impulse acquisition but I am happy i did it. I know that the codex is no where near competitive at the moment but I like the models and that is the most important. That having said it occurred to me that the CSM codex is one of the only ones left that isn't in the new 7th edition framework. When do people expect the new codex to hit and how will the codex be impacted? Do people expect them to become less expensive / more cost effective and or get new units or will it get the Dark Eldar treatment and will nothing chance for the better?

It won't be as soon as possible, seeing that Tau are getting a new codex when they honestly didn't need it OR more units.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It won't be as soon as possible, seeing that Tau are getting a new codex when they honestly didn't need it OR more units.

Actually, the Tau getting new updated versions of their basic Fire Warriors & Crisis Suits could actually bring a bare glimmer of hope that Chaos Marines might finally get our basic bread & butter kits updated from their current stone-aged versions...

While I want the likes of plastic Thousand Sons/Noise Marines and re-done Berserkers just as much as any self respecting Heretic does, right now what we desperately need more than anything are updated and actually functional kits for the basic Chaos Marines, Terminators that can build playable squads, and for the love of Khorne GW, give us our ****ing plastic Havocs already!!

I'd have been happy with just Noise Marine models in general. Metal, Resin, Plastic, I don't care. Just not 'CSM with a guitar gun kit'... I had to get Kakophoni squads for my Noise Marines but the Champion and Blastmaster are very out of place.

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. Then we will get a new CSM codex, but not before.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
I'd have been happy with just Noise Marine models in general. Metal, Resin, Plastic, I don't care. Just not 'CSM with a guitar gun kit'... I had to get Kakophoni squads for my Noise Marines but the Champion and Blastmaster are very out of place.

HEY! I would loooooove it if they brought the guitar gun marines back! I have searched high and low for the classic hair metal 80s ones

I don't know why everyone is clamoring for updated Chaos Space Marines, Chosen, or Havocs when the units themselves are routinely considered garbage and not worth fielding.

Chaos need new weapons options, point efficient (Dare i say FREE) bonuses, warp based gifts, daemonic and/or heresy era relics, and psychic power benefits.

I want something more than a few extra bolters with spikey bits.

Just a week before 8-th.

Personally I hope they keep the codex uncompetitive so the competitive players and power gamers stay away from it

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
Personally I hope they keep the codex uncompetitive so the competitive players and power gamers stay away from it

This is some crap logic.

I play chaos and I hope they completely break the heldrakes neck. Make it cost 80pts more. While they are at it, they should raise the points 50% for all models like the defiler. Lets just keep nerfing this garbage codex. Make cultist cost 8pts and make them worse than guardsmen. Make obliterators even more pricey and make it so that they cant shoot the same gun for 5 turns. Make nurgle bikers t3. Kill off all the current HQs. Remove any good relics and replace with boon mutations. In fact make even more random rqndom rolls. Like roll on chart A to find out how many dice to roll on chart B to finally roll total dice on chart C. Also make it so that every war gear cost more. Make everything that is remotely good nerfed so hard that we would rather take mutilators, warp talons, possessed marines, defilers.

Just rehire the worst writter and tell him to hate CSM .

Make it the first army of 8th edition and make it suck even more. Make it suck so bad that I end up buying 7th ed Codex: Space Marine/special snow flake and cross out the title for Chaos Marines.

.... K

I kinda hope it doesn't get updated too soon. The idea of all my supplements going obsolete fills me with a certain dread. More daemonkin books will help keep things fresh.

Not soon enough.

The entire line needs an overhaul. All the models need a overhaul. New havocs, chosen and regular marines. Then we need new rules.

Legion tactics, as opposed to chapter tactics. Get rid of that stupid chaos boons table. Maybe a legion detachment. Just anything better than the bland dribble we have now.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I don't know why everyone is clamoring for updated Chaos Space Marines, Chosen, or Havocs when the units themselves are routinely considered garbage and not worth fielding.

Chaos need new weapons options, point efficient (Dare i say FREE) bonuses, warp based gifts, daemonic and/or heresy era relics, and psychic power benefits.

I want something more than a few extra bolters with spikey bits.

Our units are currently useless crap Because the models themselves have piss poor options! GW only create new upgrades/weapons/etc... *IF* there's a model coming out immediately for it. (thank-you Chapterhouse law suit)

Havocs will becomes about 100x better if GW ever decides to grace us with a new kit, as it will almost certainly come with new weapon options. (just like how Devastators became top tier overnight with Grav cannons coming in their newest kit)
Updated basic CSM's could easily mean we'd get our own weapon that's similar in use to the Grav gun, while a new Chosen kit would at least give us access to (hopefully) plenty of basic Champion upgrades such as Combi-weapons (of which we currently have 0), power axes/maces, perhaps even a new weapon, etc...

None of our problems will get fixed until our model line gets the desperately needed overhaul it's been crying for about 6-8+ years now.


I've said all along that the 6th ed codex wasn't really *that* bad overall, as it did bring back a number of older units we'd long been clamoring for, as well as nicely adding in a number of unique new units, (that amazingly weren't just "loyalist with spikes"), to replace the missing Daemonic stuff.

What has kept us now 3 full editions behind the times is our lack of upgrade options compared to everyone else, due to our model line being the most consistently incomplete of all the 'in-store' armies.

Playing CSM is essentially playing wh40k in hard mode and sometimes even Dark Souls mode.

Just wait until we get a good codex, then we shall wipe the floor with everyone!

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I don't know why everyone is clamoring for updated Chaos Space Marines, Chosen, or Havocs when the units themselves are routinely considered garbage and not worth fielding.

Chaos need new weapons options, point efficient (Dare i say FREE) bonuses, warp based gifts, daemonic and/or heresy era relics, and psychic power benefits.

I want something more than a few extra bolters with spikey bits.

Well, for one, a lot of people are really in this game for the modeling aspect. I know I am. For two, hopefully along with updated kits come updated rules to make them worth fielding.

Hq balancing, troop reliance and balancing, vehicle balancing, CSM are a mess.

I would personally change Daemonic Possession to give the vehicle a 5++ and turn it into a Daemon for its 20 point cost. And NOT have that stupid ass rule of lowering its BS to 3. Stupid rule makes otherwise decent models completely garbage. Forgefiends for example. 175 points for a walker that sucks at melee, reliably gets you 4 hits at Str 8 and has gakky AVs. No thanks GW I'll stick to Predators.

Speaking of which, give our Predators Obliterator Weapons. How hard could that be? Or you know, the Ectoplasma cannon option, but fix it so it isn't garbage range.

Ake the defilers 150 points base with a battle cannon. Free heavy flamer and reaper Autocannon. 10 points to replace either with a power scourge. Make it a super heavy walker, increase its HP to 6 and AV to 13/13/11 oh look, its good now. That was hard

Give us EW on our Daon Princes you gaking bastards! And give them their Kai Guns back! For the love of all that is unholy, you'd think the option would be there if the god damn picture of the DP from their entry has the giant monstrosity holding a demonically warped gun.

Allow noise Marines, Thousand Sons plague Marines and berzerkers to fire into squads of Chaos Cultists locked in combat because they are expendable at the cost of 1/2 the total wounds inflicted against your opponents unit also afflict your Cultists. And let you look out sir onto Cultists from any regular marine to show them throwing a Cultists body in front of them as a meat Shield.

If those changes made it into Khorne Daemonkin that army would shoot up in power. But of course that's all way too fluffy for GW to actually implement.

 andysonic1 wrote:
If those changes made it into Khorne Daemonkin that army would shoot up in power. But of course that's all way too fluffy for GW to actually implement.

That is the sad story of KDK, it is an transition codex, it got formations and good rules, but uses CSM as a base which are terrible, once the CSM gets updated KDK will keep the hopefully inferior stats/options/costs and only until KDK 8th edition comes out will it get in line.

Hoping for the KDK to get FAQed as the new CSM come out would be similar to FAQing every loyalist codex when the later iteration comes out. KDK is an independent codex and will probably suffer for it. In the meantime it's the best way to play chaos thou.

CSM are the ones who should get 2 wound squad leaders and not eldar who got it for no apparent reason other than being cheezy.