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Hello all, I've just made up a list for a friend's campaign that will be running at my local game store, I was hoping that the experience of dakka could tell me how they would beat this list and point out any holes in it. Also I'm not 100% sure I haven't broke any rules in building it. So if you see something wrong please let me know.


+++ Chaos War Host (2494pts) +++

++ Renegades & Heretics: IA13 (2014) (Combined Arms Detachment) (676pts) ++

+ HQ (125pts) +

Renegade Command Squad (125pts) [Flak Armour]
····Rules: Fanatic, Uncertain Worth
····Arch Demagogue (60pts) [Autopistol, Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Frag Grenades, No Chaos Covenant, Primaris-rogue Witch (Level 2) (60pts), Warlord]
········Rules: Demagogue Devotion: Primaris-rogue Witch, Fearless, Independent Character, Master of Renegades, No Chaos Covenant, Psychic Discipline: Biomancy, Psychic Discipline: Daemonology (Malefic), Psychic Discipline: Pyromancy, Psychic Discipline: Telekinesis, Psyker Mastery Level 2, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Renegades & Heretics
····4x Disciple w/ Autogun (40pts) [4x Autogun, 4x Close Combat Weapon, 4x Frag Grenades]
····Disciple w/ Banner of the Apostate (20pts) [Banner of the Apostate, Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Lasgun]

+ Elites (175pts) +

Rogue Psykers Coven (175pts)
····5x Rogue Psyker (175pts) [5x Close Combat Weapon, 5x Possessed]
········Rules: Aura of the Witch, Feel No Pain (4+), Independent Character, Psychic Discipline: Powers of the Witch, Psyker Mastery Level 1, Rending, The Daemon Unbound

+ Troops (376pts) +

Renegade Infantry Platoon (186pts)
····Platoon Command Squad (64pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········Heavy Stubber Team (11pts) [2x Close Combat Weapon T, 2x Frag Grenades T, Heavy Stubber, Laspistol]
········Renegade Champion (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········10x Renegade w/ Autogun (30pts) [10x Autogun, 10x Close Combat Weapon, 10x Frag Grenades]
····Renegade Infantry Squad (61pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········Renegade Champion (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········10x Renegade w/ Autogun (30pts) [10x Autogun, 10x Close Combat Weapon, 10x Frag Grenades]
········Renegade w/ Flamer (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Flamer, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
····Renegade Infantry Squad (61pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········Renegade Champion (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········10x Renegade w/ Autogun (30pts) [10x Autogun, 10x Close Combat Weapon, 10x Frag Grenades]
········Renegade w/ Flamer (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Flamer, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]

Renegade Infantry Platoon (190pts)
····Platoon Command Squad (64pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········Heavy Stubber Team (11pts) [2x Close Combat Weapon T, 2x Frag Grenades T, Heavy Stubber, Laspistol]
········Renegade Champion (8pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Frag Grenades, Laspistol]
········10x Renegade w/ Autogun (30pts) [10x Autogun, 10x Close Combat Weapon, 10x Frag Grenades]
····Renegade Infantry Squad (63pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········16x Renegade w/ Autogun (48pts) [16x Autogun, 16x Close Combat Weapon, 16x Frag Grenades]
····Renegade Infantry Squad (63pts) [Militia Training (10pts), Sub-flak Armour (5pts)]
········Rules: Uncertain Worth
········16x Renegade w/ Autogun (48pts) [16x Autogun, 16x Close Combat Weapon, 16x Frag Grenades]

++ Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) (Combined Arms Detachment) (898pts) ++

+ HQ (350pts) +

Fabius Bile (165pts) [Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Rod of Torment, The Chirugeon, Warlord, Xyclos Needler]

Sorcerer (185pts) [2x Additional Mastery Level (50pts), Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Mark of Tzeentch (15pts), Scrolls of Magnus (45pts), Spell familiar (15pts)]

+ Troops (178pts) +

Chaos Space Marines (90pts) [Plasma Gun (15pts)]
····Aspiring Champion (23pts) [Boltgun]
········Rules: Champion of Chaos
····4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun (52pts) [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Krak Grenades]

Chaos Space Marines (88pts) [Flamer (5pts)]
····Aspiring Champion (31pts) [Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe (8pts)]
········Rules: Champion of Chaos
····4x Chaos Marine with Boltgun (52pts) [4x Bolt Pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Krak Grenades]
····4x Swap Boltgun with CCW [4x Close Combat Weapon]

+ Fast Attack (170pts) +

Heldrake (170pts) [Baleflamer]

+ Heavy Support (200pts) +

Forgefiend (200pts) [Additional Ectoplasma Cannon (25pts), Daemonic Possession, Two Hades Autocannon]

+ Primary Detachment +

Primary Detachment

++ Chaos Daemons: Codex (2013) (Allied Detachment) (920pts) ++

+ HQ (335pts) +

Kairos Fateweaver (335pts) [Daemon of Tzeentch, Fighter Ace (35pts), Warlord Trait:]

+ Troops (190pts) +

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (95pts) [Daemon of Tzeentch, 10x Pink Horrors (90pts), Upgrade one Pink Horror to Iridescent Horror (5pts)]

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (95pts) [Daemon of Tzeentch, 10x Pink Horrors (90pts), Upgrade one Pink Horror to Iridescent Horror (5pts)]

+ Fast Attack (225pts) +

Screamers of Tzeentch (225pts) [Daemon of Tzeentch, 9x Screamers (225pts)]

+ Heavy Support (170pts) +

Daemon Prince - Heavy Support (170pts)
····Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [Daemon of Tzeentch]



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Sorry about all the extra stuff battlescribe added, I've deleted most of it.

Well, thats a lot of sutff Some good stuff. but I'm not seeing any synergy.

some thoughts

Fabius isn't really doing anything in this list? upgrading a (five or ten?) man unit of footsloggers.. well it won't stop them getting smooshed. Either get them an assault transport, or don't bother.

The daemon list is a bit odd. Does the prince really have no upgrades at all? There are so many good things to give a tzeentch prince. 11 horrors in a unit is much better than 10.
I'm not sure if the fighter ace upgrade is still legal, as there is a new edition of death from the skies.. but either way its a lot of points.

You have the potential to do a lot of summoning, but do you have the additional models to take advantage of that? If not, then the psyker heavy nature won't help you much.

I don't consider the rogue pskyers worth their points, especially as you can take a tzeentch herald, which is much much better. .. Oh.. I guess form your user name that you really liek renegade psykers..

The primaris rogue witch has to be your warlord. This is Ok, but I would prefer fateweaver. You can make the warpstorm table work for you then (but it is hassle).

The scrolls of magnus really aren't worth the points.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Well, thats a lot of sutff Some good stuff. but I'm not seeing any synergy.

some thoughts

Fabius isn't really doing anything in this list? upgrading a (five or ten?) man unit of footsloggers.. well it won't stop them getting smooshed. Either get them an assault transport, or don't bother.

The daemon list is a bit odd. Does the prince really have no upgrades at all? There are so many good things to give a tzeentch prince. 11 horrors in a unit is much better than 10.
I'm not sure if the fighter ace upgrade is still legal, as there is a new edition of death from the skies.. but either way its a lot of points.

You have the potential to do a lot of summoning, but do you have the additional models to take advantage of that? If not, then the psyker heavy nature won't help you much.

I don't consider the rogue pskyers worth their points, especially as you can take a tzeentch herald, which is much much better. .. Oh.. I guess form your user name that you really liek renegade psykers..

The primaris rogue witch has to be your warlord. This is Ok, but I would prefer fateweaver. You can make the warpstorm table work for you then (but it is hassle).

The scrolls of magnus really aren't worth the points.

So perhaps drop Fabius, and take another generic sorcerer? Or I could take another squad of CSM I guess.

Oooooh, embarrassing, I actually forgot to get him any upgrades, as I got distracted by the Renegade and Heretic portion of the list. What would you suggest on him?

Add a Horror to each unit, got it. And we are using the old flyer rules for the campaign, as several players have yet to bother buying or learning the new updated rule book for them yet.

I've got a bunch of Screamers, Plaugebarers, and Bloodletters sitting in the wings for just that purpose.

Yeah I realize they aren't the best, but I really like they, and they are fairly cheap, I suppose in the name of efficiency I could cut them out, or even just drop their numbers in order to get a tzeentch herald.

I'd rather have fateweaver as well, but I'm kind of stuck with the primaris.

What should I replace it with?

Why add the CSM to your list at all? If you want the Sorcerer/Helldrake - take CSM as an ally. And put the Sorcerer on a bike for better survival.

Add Rapier Laser destroyers to the RH part. Cheap and very good. Spawns (if an unmarked Demagouge can take them) are an excellent meatshield.