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Hardened Veteran Guardsman





This may sound lie a stupid question but.....

I want to start a youtube channel for 4th edition warhammer fantasy stuff. Modeling painting rules fluff. all that stuff. My question is... What gw material am I allowed to show a video of? I see stuff on bols where they go page by page with old books. Is that legal? same goes for models templates basically anything gw . what can I or cant i take video of?

 
   
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Spawn of Chaos





You can do whatever you want (within the guidelines), there are tons of videos on modeling, painting, rules and fluff.
They all show GW material and I have never heard of GW taking any videos down for showing their content.
Besides you are going to be talking about fantasy and considering GW has moved on from it, there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

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Toledo, OH

Keep in mind that I am not an IP lawyer, and this is not legal advice. You are not my client, and I am not your lawyer.

US copyright law allows for what it calls "Fair use," which is the use of copywritten material for things like commentary, criticism, news reporting, teaching, research, etc. Basically, a copyright holder cannot use their copyright to prevent all use of their work in later works. In practice, it can get messy, but the gist is that if you are using a relatively small portion of copy written material, in a factual or non-creative sense, in which the original is transformed in some way, would be allowed. The copyright office has a nice break down here:

http://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html

Think of it this way: if you made a podcast that was nothing more than an audiobook of the rulebook, that would not be fair use. But showing a few pages of a rulebook in a review, or to show a scenario map, would likely be fair use.
   
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman





Those are all great responces thank you so much... So heres my followup. I do not intend to make money off of this at all. I really just want to do it as one more thing to do within the hobby. However., What if it became really popular on youtube? (it wont) but if it did and they started placing ads and giving me money wouldnt I then be breaking the law and have to take down my content?

 
   
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South Portsmouth, KY USA

IANAL however I would doubt it. If you go on YT and do a search for similar videos that others have done on the subjects that you are interested in doing you will probably get a better viewpoint.

It would be difficult and no doubt foolish at best, horrendously costly at worst for GW to pursue action against someone creating content that focuses on the hobby aspect. You can even make commentary on rules and lore as long as it doesn't directly copy or is being presented as official or if you aren't saying that YOU represent GW (or are GW).

Also don't use music that isn't cleared for your use i.e. no Rihanna or Drowning Pool etc. YT has a library of free to use music for creators as well as there being sites online to find royalty free music you can generally use without issue or permission (though always give credit for the music!)

So you could conceivably legally make money off of it no sweat as long as you are the originator of the content or presentation thereof.

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i38steelrain wrote:
Those are all great responces thank you so much... So heres my followup. I do not intend to make money off of this at all. I really just want to do it as one more thing to do within the hobby. However., What if it became really popular on youtube? (it wont) but if it did and they started placing ads and giving me money wouldnt I then be breaking the law and have to take down my content?


Commercial use is a prong of fair use, but not the only one. how much you show, and how much of your work is just GW content, is a bigger question. Plenty of commercial YouTube channels include clips from movies with additional commentary. A page by page reading of "Slaves to Darkness," with no commentary, is almost certainly a problem.

If you prefaced a 20 minute video battle report with a few minutes of showing the army books and rules you used, you could strongly argue that you're using the copyrighted material for context, but your own work repurposes it.

The less your work includes artwork and exact text from a GW product, the safer you will be.
   
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I'd worry more about the music you use in the video. There's plenty of royalty-free music out there you can use without your videos getting flagged for copyright shenanigans.

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How the heck do you make money on you tube?

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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Davor wrote:
How the heck do you make money on you tube?


Advertising dollars yo. Mo' clicks = mo' money
   
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 Bi'ios wrote:
Davor wrote:
How the heck do you make money on you tube?


Advertising dollars yo. Mo' clicks = mo' money


You Tube really pays you for that? I thought it wasn't much money from that, so never thought that was an actual way of making a lot of money. Thanks for the explanation.

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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Pittsburgh, PA

Davor wrote:
 Bi'ios wrote:
Davor wrote:
How the heck do you make money on you tube?


Advertising dollars yo. Mo' clicks = mo' money


You Tube really pays you for that? I thought it wasn't much money from that, so never thought that was an actual way of making a lot of money. Thanks for the explanation.


Well, figure this (using made up numbers). 1 click gets you 1 penny. So 100 clicks is a dollar, and 100k is 1000 dollars. If you're popular, that could be a million views, which is 10k. Put out 2-3 vids a week, for 1 month = more than the average US yearly salary.

These are made up numbers, but it illustrates how it works.
   
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i38steelrain wrote:
Those are all great responces thank you so much... So heres my followup. I do not intend to make money off of this at all. I really just want to do it as one more thing to do within the hobby. However., What if it became really popular on youtube? (it wont) but if it did and they started placing ads and giving me money wouldnt I then be breaking the law and have to take down my content?


Given Youtubes copyright ID system seems to mostly based on Audio and Video (thats why you see vids at the 'wrong' speed or with funky borders) I'd wager you'd mostly be okay unless a GW net-minion took notice and even the they'd more likely just put in a claim to steal your ad revenue, also bear in mind Google tend to side with the big guys in a lot of Fair Use disputes (search Fair Use on YT for some interesting storys)

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 Bi'ios wrote:
Davor wrote:
 Bi'ios wrote:
Davor wrote:
How the heck do you make money on you tube?


Advertising dollars yo. Mo' clicks = mo' money


You Tube really pays you for that? I thought it wasn't much money from that, so never thought that was an actual way of making a lot of money. Thanks for the explanation.


Well, figure this (using made up numbers). 1 click gets you 1 penny. So 100 clicks is a dollar, and 100k is 1000 dollars. If you're popular, that could be a million views, which is 10k. Put out 2-3 vids a week, for 1 month = more than the average US yearly salary.

These are made up numbers, but it illustrates how it works.


Thanks for the explanation. Make sense now. (no pun intended.)

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Legendary Master of the Chapter






You dont really make that much money. unless you have a DUMB number of viewers

there are plenty of people making an actual living off of it but many dont.

they also some times give creators cash or gifts if you reach a certain number of subscribers too.

as for GW content? i dont think you really need to worry about it. as it was pointed out they probably wont take down the vids because of content ID related things. so long as its not related to non release spoiled items. maybe probably.

music as it was pointed out does matter a lot so just use those kevin mcloyd free tracks and credit people properly

good luck.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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You can show anything you want until someone tells you to take it down. Don't be worried about GW, if they think it's a problem I'm sure they'll let you know.

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