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2016/11/10 08:21:50
Subject: [2000] - Death - Vampires
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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I am looking to start a death army in the near future and would like some constructive criticism on this list idea
1 Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon, General, Red thirst, Book
1 Vampire Lord with wings
30 Skeleton Warriors
20 Skeleton warriors
20 Zombies
5 Blood Knights
1 Mourngul
2 Morghasts Harbingers
2000 pts on the dot
Any thoughts?
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2016/11/10 18:22:53
Subject: [2000] - Death - Vampires
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Nurgle Veteran Marine with the Flu
Southern California
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Why mix zombies and skeletons? It will work best if you commit one way or the other. In your case id suggest skeletons.
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2016/11/10 18:31:16
Subject: Re:[2000] - Death - Vampires
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Zombies are cheaper, and I needed to find a way to get those 40pts. I thought 20 zombies would be better than 10 skeletons and 40pts left over.
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2016/11/11 03:00:50
Subject: [2000] - Death - Vampires
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I'd probably go for a 40/10 split on the skeletons. As it is they lose an attack as soon as they take a single casualty.
Also, is the second Vampire worth it? You can only use one command ability, so I'm not sure you are really getting full value out of the second vamp. You could save 20 points by swapping to a Necromancer, which would in turn allow you to drop 10 zombies for 10 more skeletons (or spend the 80 points elsewhere).
The more I think about it, the more I wonder about the battleline choices. Usually it's best to fully commit (full size) or go for minimum size "battleline tax". In this case you could go for:
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon
Necromancer
40 Skeletons
10 Zombies
10 Zombies
5 Blood Knights
1 Mourngul
2 Morghast Harbingers
Leaving you 100 points to play with.
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2016/11/11 18:29:44
Subject: Re:[2000] - Death - Vampires
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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I'm beginning to come around and see that the second vampire lord is not worth the points. And I feel like 10 skeletons will be better than 10 zombies for trying to stay alive on objectives. So how about something like this?
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon
Necromancer
40 Skeletons
10 Skeletons
10 Skeletons
5 Blood Knights
5 Dire Wolves
1 Mourngul
2 Morghast Harbingers
Also, what is the general feeling and in the context of this list on Morghast Harbingers vs Morghast Archai?
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2016/11/12 05:31:12
Subject: [2000] - Death - Vampires
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Scouting Shadow Warrior
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I think Harbingers are great as blitzers. Although you already have some of this with your dire wolves and blood knights, it's main advantage over those two units is that it can fly and has a 3d6 charge. It would run as a great decoy to keep warmachine fire off of your zombie dragon and mourngul as it presents itself as a far more immediate threat.
I personally prefer archai, however. as -2 rend is quite rare and you already have enough massed attacks for low armor enemies, I think you will also appreciate something that can reliably punch through 3+ armour saves
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2016/11/12 05:32:42
Subject: [2000] - Death - Vampires
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Personally, I prefer the Harbingers if I am going to summon them. With the restriction that summoned units have to be 9" away from enemies and Harbingers on average charging 10", I find great value in them as shock troops, both in the normal sense and the ability to be anywhere that I need them most.
I have a battalion in my army, so I don't mind giving my mobile ghoul king the Blade of Unholy Power to auto-summon without the chance of dispelling the Harbingers.
Archai are better if you are starting out with them and want a -2 rend unit to really chop through things. Things with low enough saves though and the weight of attacks from Harbingers will about equal out to the Archai.
Harbingers have the chance for higher dice spikes, where more than an average number of attacks hit / wound / failed saves and can chew through a unit.
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2016/11/14 18:37:00
Subject: Re:[2000] - Death - Vampires
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Thanks for the feedback on the Morghasts. I think I will switch to the archai because of that sweet sweet rend -2 that my list is missing.
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