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**Niiai**

The decoy and misdirection rule - it happens before we know who goes first player right?

**JohnnyHell**

Correct.

**alextroy**

Redeploy: Some rules enable you to redeploy one or more of your units. When doing so, you remove these units from the battlefield after both players have finished deploying their armies, but before the first turn begins, and then deploy them again using all the normal rules (for example, if all the models in one of these units have the Infiltrators ability, that unit’s player can set that unit up using that ability). If both players have rules that let them redeploy units, the players must alternate redeploying their units, one at a time, starting with the Attacker.

Assuming there isn't an Attacker/Defender goes first rule for your Mission, redeployment is before you determine who goes first.

**Faustpanzer**

Redeploy happens in Step 10 or 11 which is after Step 9 Deploy Armies and before Step 12 Begin the Battle. It can be after determining first Turn, which is Step 10. Redeploy doesn't say a specific Step, just after deploy and before the first Turn begins.

**Niiai**

The difference in the consensus of this ruling is very impactful.

**alextroy**

It can depend on the exact wording of the rule. The Primus says to redeploy after both players have finished deploying. That is at the end of Deployment (step 9)

Some rules may say, before the battle begins. If they do, that happens during Resolve Pre-Battle Rules (step 11).

Determine First Turn is step 10.

**Breton**

alextroy wrote:
It can depend on the exact wording of the rule. The Primus says to redeploy after both players have finished deploying. That is at the end of Deployment (step 9)

Some rules may say, before the battle begins. If they do, that happens during Resolve Pre-Battle Rules (step 11).

Determine First Turn is step 10.

True, the Phobos Captain's Master of Deceit specifically includes "and determining who has first turn". Is it intentionally missing from the Primus, or will it be rewritten in the Codex? Who knows.

Edit to Add: Also from the Rules Commentary:

Redeploy: Some rules enable you to redeploy one or more of your
units. When doing so, you remove these units from the battlefield
after both players have finished deploying their armies, but before
the first turn begins, and then deploy them again using all the normal
rules (for example, if all the models in one of these units have the
Infiltrators ability, that unit’s player can set that unit up using that
ability). If both players have rules that let them redeploy units, the
players must alternate redeploying their units, one at a time, starting
with the Attacker

which suggests the rules are all supposed to be the same, but different wording may have been used at different times in the index/codex process.

**Faustpanzer**

I agree with Breton, the Rules Commentary clarifies how those Redeploy Rules are meant to be played.

**Breton**

Faustpanzer wrote:
I agree with Breton, the Rules Commentary clarifies how those Redeploy Rules are meant to be played.

Oh I wouldn't go so far as to say it clarifies it with finality. It does suggest a RAI I'd be comfortable with but its still not "clear".

**Faustpanzer**

Rules Commentary is there to clarify, it says so in the first paragraph. Because the Primus Redeploy is unclear when exactly it happens the RC says how to play it.