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I checked out when they switched from the studio developers to 2 announcers for some kind of tourney.

Overall, it was a decent reveal for a new edition. For a Skaven or SCE player, it was probably awesome.

Obviously, they still have time to tease out more stuff for other armies, like "Faction Focus" type articles, but I would've liked some sort of roadmap for factions outside of the starter box.

Also, was the woman narrating the new game mode pretty jarring for anyone else? Going from casual conversation with developers to intense woman hyping up a new way to play felt out of place.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

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Yeah, but leviathan we was made up of the umpteenth space marine resculpts. That immediately kills it.


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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
What a glorious day, to be commenting on the new Skaven which are looking excellent overall, on the 13th page of this thread, yes-yes!

Having multiple distinct command options really helps with the variation in the clanrats, and while more dynamic figures have a habit of highlighting repetition, these are generally well designed to avoid that problem, good stuff.

Now, I've been rather out of the loop on the ways of big launch box sets for a while. Would all these sculpts become available separately later, or are some minis generally exclusive to the box?

Stuff will become separate later. If not when the battle tome releases, then later in the second wave.

Cheers, good to know.
Can take or leave the artillery; like - but don't need - the leader on monster; and would be happy with just half the Clanrats to spice up my existing verminhorde, but the Rat Ogres and Jezzails would be very welcome additions to the collection. And that Grey Seer is actually really rather excellent too, such classic vibes but in an updated style.

So, that's the Clanrats, a Warlock Engineer, Rat Ogres, and Jezzails shown off now.
From the models announced to be leaving the range, those not yet accounted for are then: Arch Warlock (Ikit Claw), Plague Priest (Skrolk), Master Moulder (Skweel Gnawtooth), Skryre Acolytes (Globadiers), Stormvermin, Plague Censer Bearers, Gutter Runners, Rat Swarms, Giant Rats, Warpfire Thrower, Ratling Gun, Warp Grinder, Doom Flayer.

Sounds like you need the skaven half anyway. Odds are cheaper than separately

Odds are good either jezzails or cannon are part of online only(so no discount) sprue for close to half the box price. Think the cannon but could be jezzails

I think it is interesting that over time the Stormcast design has gotten more and more Knightly in the sense that they look more and more like humans in functioning medieval armor.

Everything from more bare heads, straps holding on armor, gloves, more realistic proportions, silver rather than gold as main paint scheme, cruder looking helmets, etc.

I hope they continue down this path and eventually just give the people what they want which is Stormcast in traditional great helms or sallet helms, etc. The new liberator helmets are the worst iteration yet.

New story https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/17/dawnbringer-chronicles-xxviii-the-hidden-hand/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Also…dare I say the range removal now has a bit more context to things? Much needed context I stress.

Yeah, context being even bigger middle finger

Let's see, with the new Reclusians SC now have three different kinds of axe/halberd thingy "elite" infantry, there are multiple redundant SC units armed with bows/crossbows (even more laughable now seeing they at least were differentiated by new/old armor look that had tiny rules difference but now that everyone rocks new look even that will vanish), three different axe/halberd mounted melee lords, zillion hammer infantry - and somehow none of this triply redundant gak (most of which could simply been rules upgrades to existing units instead of being new units) is bloat but the only interesting, different chamber with new play style gets axed because frak you

I was hoping that the new box will at least introduce some new ideas, but nooo, all of it is wasting sprue budget on copy paste of already existing units. Yes, nice looking upgrade but people playing SC already have these minis, often in multiples, why would they feel compelled to rebuy their existing army? This box feels like it was dictated by marketing, not by anyone who actually likes the army, and while designers did their best to polish this gak, it's still gak.

I was rolling my eyes already after trailer where these new SC job every way to sunday, their magical armor being about as durable as paper even to simple knives, then even harder after reading new AoS magic article (promising "tons of new options for everyone", save for that one subfaction whose defining thing was magic because again, frak you if you like any SC build besides boring crawl-into-melee one), this did very little to change that. I kind of hope this box will bomb as hard as Dominion did so I can pick it up on sale, but alas, GW probably learned from that one and they will make microscopic quantities plus tiny reprints to drive up FOMO...

I really hope that with 5.0 GW might realise that players don't like having half their army removed after only 3 years; and that stormcast can't work with a whole 10-20 model update every 3 years in the game and have it be healthy.

GW can't treat Stormcast like Marines where they can just jump to a subfaction to release a whole new chunk of models. Plus honestly there are so many factions in AoS that could be better done with that production slot in terms of updates and new models.

Yeah SC are great for new players but they swiftly won't be if people keep saying "Oh yeah don't get SC those models go out-of-edition in like 3 years or less."




Which isn't to say that the new SC aren't looking cool - the new hounds are awesome with more fur modelling on them; I love the new details and styles they are going for. The models look fantastic!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
New story https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/17/dawnbringer-chronicles-xxviii-the-hidden-hand/

Fun read. Damn, nearly a year of these.

As someone who started stormcast with Dominion this seems like a pretty good buy. 4 characters and a battleline unit with the newer armor proportions? Not bad.

I can take or leave the prosecutors though, the stormcast flyers don't really look great to me in either iteration.

 Overread wrote:
I really hope that with 5.0 GW might realise that players don't like having half their army removed after only 3 years; and that stormcast can't work with a whole 10-20 model update every 3 years in the game and have it be healthy.

GW can't treat Stormcast like Marines where they can just jump to a subfaction to release a whole new chunk of models. Plus honestly there are so many factions in AoS that could be better done with that production slot in terms of updates and new models.

Yeah SC are great for new players but they swiftly won't be if people keep saying "Oh yeah don't get SC those models go out-of-edition in like 3 years or less."




Which isn't to say that the new SC aren't looking cool - the new hounds are awesome with more fur modelling on them; I love the new details and styles they are going for. The models look fantastic!

Couldn't have said it any better.

Luckily I bought most of my AOS collection from the part-magazines, but had I paid for the standard packaged kits I'd be bloody angry right now. Thankfully I wasn't daring enough to hand over money for the likes of the Tauralon or Dracoline rider kits, and would probably not be in the mood to recommend the game to others.

Thankfully my AOS collection can be put towards games from other companies, going forward...

SamusDrake wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I really hope that with 5.0 GW might realise that players don't like having half their army removed after only 3 years; and that stormcast can't work with a whole 10-20 model update every 3 years in the game and have it be healthy.

GW can't treat Stormcast like Marines where they can just jump to a subfaction to release a whole new chunk of models. Plus honestly there are so many factions in AoS that could be better done with that production slot in terms of updates and new models.

Yeah SC are great for new players but they swiftly won't be if people keep saying "Oh yeah don't get SC those models go out-of-edition in like 3 years or less."




Which isn't to say that the new SC aren't looking cool - the new hounds are awesome with more fur modelling on them; I love the new details and styles they are going for. The models look fantastic!

Couldn't have said it any better.

Luckily I bought most of my AOS collection from the part-magazines, but had I paid for the standard packaged kits I'd be bloody angry right now. Thankfully I wasn't daring enough to hand over money for the likes of the Tauralon or Dracoline rider kits, and would probably not be in the mood to recommend the game to others.

Thankfully my AOS collection can be put towards games from other companies, going forward...

As someone who disliked my full sacrosanct army being invalidated after 3 years I can say it leaves such a bad taste that I look at these and cannot get behind them.
To make things worse I do not like the new design directions, they all are substantially worse, I loved the big and simple armour dudes that paint easy, now you get elegant overcrowded armour with detail dudes... that will be such a pain to paint. No thanks. I will have SO MUCH MORE fun painting and converting my Sacros than any of these new SC. As for the Skaven... boring? Very much so.
A very easy pass from me, in fact I would not enjoy working on this box even if gifted for free.

Correction: I like the rats ruler though XD

Well I put my name down at the FLGS for one skaven half and the terrain. Could do with more rat ogres and jezzails for sure if Stormcast fans will be unloading.

Pretty good stuff. Just some annnoying details:
I dont like there is a rat riding a rat.
And the executioner guy have to stand on a tactical rock to fit the axe in the pose, it feels like a lazy conversion.

I really like the design choises to twist the stormcast paraphernalia to more grim style, like the torches instead of lanterns and crowlike gryphon instead of more regal birds of prey.
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Rat riding Rat fits though - even in Old World it was rats riding rats. Skaven have always made use of their feral cousins for - experiments and upgrading them to be larger for their needs.





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 NAVARRO wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I really hope that with 5.0 GW might realise that players don't like having half their army removed after only 3 years; and that stormcast can't work with a whole 10-20 model update every 3 years in the game and have it be healthy.

GW can't treat Stormcast like Marines where they can just jump to a subfaction to release a whole new chunk of models. Plus honestly there are so many factions in AoS that could be better done with that production slot in terms of updates and new models.

Yeah SC are great for new players but they swiftly won't be if people keep saying "Oh yeah don't get SC those models go out-of-edition in like 3 years or less."




Which isn't to say that the new SC aren't looking cool - the new hounds are awesome with more fur modelling on them; I love the new details and styles they are going for. The models look fantastic!

Couldn't have said it any better.

Luckily I bought most of my AOS collection from the part-magazines, but had I paid for the standard packaged kits I'd be bloody angry right now. Thankfully I wasn't daring enough to hand over money for the likes of the Tauralon or Dracoline rider kits, and would probably not be in the mood to recommend the game to others.

Thankfully my AOS collection can be put towards games from other companies, going forward...

As someone who disliked my full sacrosanct army being invalidated after 3 years I can say it leaves such a bad taste that I look at these and cannot get behind them.
To make things worse I do not like the new design directions, they all are substantially worse, I loved the big and simple armour dudes that paint easy, now you get elegant overcrowded armour with detail dudes... that will be such a pain to paint. No thanks. I will have SO MUCH MORE fun painting and converting my Sacros than any of these new SC. As for the Skaven... boring? Very much so.
A very easy pass from me, in fact I would not enjoy working on this box even if gifted for free.

Correction: I like the rats ruler though XD

It would be an easier pill to swallow if it was a straight upgrade to existing models in terms of just replacing sculpts with updates.

However its clear that some are coming and some are going in terms of what SC get and that's really unfair after only 3 years.

Sacrosanct chamber will be back the next edition or two don't worry, GW has to sell models and what better way then recycling their own stuff.

 Fayric wrote:

I dont like there is a rat riding a rat.

You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

 CMLR wrote:


You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

I don't like that new kroot dude riding a newt (how rude).

 BertBert wrote:

 CMLR wrote:


You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

I don't like that new kroot dude riding a newt (how rude).

Most people are just mad that the newt isn't a kroot, tbh.

 CMLR wrote:
Sacrosanct chamber will be back the next edition or two don't worry, GW has to sell models and what better way then recycling their own stuff.

 Fayric wrote:

I dont like there is a rat riding a rat.

You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

How would you like it if they, for example, had a human sniper riding around on an ogre sized guy? I tell you, NO one would accept that kind of gak.

 Fayric wrote:

How would you like it if they, for example, had a human sniper riding around on an ogre sized guy? I tell you, NO one would accept that kind of gak.

Or a dwarf riding two dwarfs.

 BertBert wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

How would you like it if they, for example, had a human sniper riding around on an ogre sized guy? I tell you, NO one would accept that kind of gak.

Or a dwarf riding two dwarfs.

Two dwarfs? That's ridiculous. With how much dwarf armor weighs now, I'd wager you'd need at least three

 Fayric wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Sacrosanct chamber will be back the next edition or two don't worry, GW has to sell models and what better way then recycling their own stuff.

 Fayric wrote:

I dont like there is a rat riding a rat.

You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

How would you like it if they, for example, had a human sniper riding around on an ogre sized guy? I tell you, NO one would accept that kind of gak.

 CMLR wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Sacrosanct chamber will be back the next edition or two don't worry, GW has to sell models and what better way then recycling their own stuff.

 Fayric wrote:

I dont like there is a rat riding a rat.

You don't like Lizardmen nor Kroot?

How would you like it if they, for example, had a human sniper riding around on an ogre sized guy? I tell you, NO one would accept that kind of gak.

1) That was the joke.

2) I actually DO hate that model, and it alone helps really put me off from Cities of Sigmar.

WHAT.

How can you hate that model?!

 Kanluwen wrote:
WHAT.

How can you hate that model?!

The pole is the silly part. If it was closer to the Cawdor Stig, it would be much more tolerable. In fact, thinking about it, the Stig is just a little dude riding a bigger dude, so that trumps rat riding a rat.

It's a wagon axle, not a pole?

I think its a dedicated pole made for the purpose. the Axle parts you're seeing are the foot/hand holds that the marksman has to clamber up to get up high or run down during battle.

 Kanluwen wrote:
WHAT.

How can you hate that model?!

It strikes me as a dumb concept. I can't imagine an ogre being able to hold still long enough for the sniper to do his job.

As I said when that model was first revealed: the only thing missing is a shark on the model's base for it to jump over.

 Overread wrote:
I think its a dedicated pole made for the purpose. the Axle parts you're seeing are the foot/hand holds that the marksman has to clamber up to get up high or run down during battle.

The "pole" is literally from a wagon. The yoke for the pack animal is what the ogre is wearing as a wooden "belt".

I might be calling it the wrong thing, but it's wagon parts.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
WHAT.

How can you hate that model?!

It strikes me as a dumb concept. I can't imagine an ogre being able to hold still long enough for the sniper to do his job.

As I said when that model was first revealed: the only thing missing is a shark on the model's base for it to jump over.

What, you don't like Heavy and Sniper from Valve's 2007 hit game Team Fortress 2?

Also this guys

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

It strikes me as a dumb concept. I can't imagine an ogre being able to hold still long enough for the sniper to do his job.

That's where the snacks that the Fusil-Major throws down comes into play?

As I said when that model was first revealed: the only thing missing is a shark on the model's base for it to jump over.

If that's jumping the shark, I say bring it on Fonz!

The way to make the ogre work would have been to make the rider a loony amber wizard who can cast troll barf. That actually stands a chance of hitting something.