Yes, you read that right - the Studio have made some brand-new Dark Eldar and they'll be here soon. I found out this morning when I was flicking through an early copy of October's issue of White Dwarf (it's out next week) and could barely contain my excitement. Once I'd composed myself, I passed the copy to Rob and with camera at the ready, told him to turn to the back page.



Once you're done laughing at Rob, you can click on the image for a better look. For those of you attending UK Games Day, I've some more good news: Jes Goodwin will be there to talk about the Dark Eldar and knowing Jes, show off some cool Dark Eldar-related stuff. If you haven't picked up a ticket to Games Day yet and if you live in the UK or Northern Europe, then you can order a ticket by clicking on this link. If you live anywhere else in the world, you'll need to use the 'Country Select' menu at the bottom of this page and select the United Kingdom for the link to work. At the moment this is all I know about the forthcoming Dark Eldar, but as usual I'll do my best to uncover some more information for you. Watch this space.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=12800005a

So.. that would be October's WD.. for a November release then..

I will never stop laughing at Rob in the picture you have to click through.

It's like the shockface emoticon, but even more shocked!

Inb4 the salt shakers.

And holy crud! Finally!

It's about time!

Evil for Advent. I like the way they think!

Note the Wolverine mug and fee coke glass you get with a McDonalds value meal...

..and...optimistic as this is... can anyone make anything out from that oddly placed somewhat summary sheet looking like thing on the far side of the table...

It's the standard 40k summary sheet in the main rulebook. Shows what you need to make hits/wounds, etc.

reds8n wrote:Note the Wolverine mug and fee coke glass you get with a McDonalds value meal...

..and...optimistic as this is... can anyone make anything out from that oddly placed somewhat summary sheet looking like thing on the far side of the table...

It's just for direct debit subscriptions.

Unless of course direct debit subscriptions are a new piece of Dark Eldar wargear that is a R24" StrX (Poisoned 4+) AP5 Heavy 20D6 weapon. : P

Kanluwen wrote:It's the standard 40k summary sheet in the main rulebook. Shows what you need to make hits/wounds, etc.

cheers fella !

Vladsimpaler wrote:

reds8n wrote:Note the Wolverine mug and fee coke glass you get with a McDonalds value meal...

..and...optimistic as this is... can anyone make anything out from that oddly placed somewhat summary sheet looking like thing on the far side of the table...

It's just for direct debit subscriptions.

Unless of course direct debit subscriptions are a new piece of Dark Eldar wargear that is a R24" StrX (Poisoned 4+) AP5 Heavy 20D6 weapon. : P

You're looking in the wrong place. Look up above the Dark Eldar announcement page. There's a sheet of paper laying next to the paint stand in the click-through photo.

Red, sorry it wasn't anything supersneaky for you

Sooo....John won his bet by precisely a month it seems....

....YAY.

Given how the date was picked rather arbitrarily, and given J.H.D.D.'s conviction that they'd NEVER be out, he should really allow the +/- one month(ish) and just accept the LOSS like a man!!!

Finally... people will stop saying they aren't coming , they have been squatted, etc. Actually, probably not.

I can't wait til GDUK! The question now is how much is this going to hurt the wallet. Since there's no battleforce, maybe we'll get lucky and get a holiday bundle in Dec. Not that I'd wait an extra month to start buying, but hey, they made Apocalypse for a reason.

Im just glad that the nay-sayers have been put in their place. Now the wild speculators can freely run rampant, until the release and are proven wrong about what a red shirt told his sisters, brother who walked by a Games Workshop store...sorry for rant.

Im glad they are finally releasing it, kudos to the information police at GW for keeping it so quiet. I hope a lot of John Blanches artwork he did for it shows up in the book and translated to some good models.

You beat me posting this by 8 minutes damn it! Still awesome news though.

"his sisters, brother "
wait what.

Father Gabe wrote:

Im glad they are finally releasing it, kudos to the information police at GW for keeping it so quiet. I hope a lot of John Blanches artwork he did for it shows up in the book and translated to some good models.

Well, they didn't really do that, since we've 'known' for some time now that DE were coming.

They didn't 'officially' announce it, sure, but this particular "Space Hulk" was out of this "Mystery Box" a long time ago!

Ketara wrote:Sooo....John won his bet by precisely a month it seems....

Won the bet but lost the war it seems...

But OT I'm glad to see GW finally confirming, even if they have to use the same graphic we've seen forever, the coming DE release. I still find their 'secrecy' to be assinine. However, I have to give them props at actually keeping this underwraps for so long w/o any leaks of pics etc. Here's to my 3000+ pts of DE and a new codex coming in the near future.

Cadaver wrote:Finally... people will stop saying they aren't coming , they have been squatted, etc. Actually, probably not.

I can't wait til GDUK! The question now is how much is this going to hurt the wallet. Since there's no battleforce, maybe we'll get lucky and get a holiday bundle in Dec. Not that I'd wait an extra month to start buying, but hey, they made Apocalypse for a reason.

Uh, what?

Of course there's a Battleforce. GW's not stopped making Battleforces, and likely will not.

There, however, will not be an army box or spearhead, as both of those were things that failed miserably and just took up shelf space in the end.

This is going to be the longest two months of our lives.

I feel a gush of wind as all 40k simultaneously sigh in relief.

It does make me chuckle that they never actually mention a new codex, just new 'Dark Eldar'.

I'm still grinning like a Cheshire cat.

So, now that this has an official 'announcement' can we have serious discussion topics started in 40k general without those being locked?

Any ideas on what it might be?

Kanluwen wrote:

Of course there's a Battleforce. GW's not stopped making Battleforces, and likely will not.

There, however, will not be an army box or spearhead, as both of those were things that failed miserably and just took up shelf space in the end.

According to the reliable rumor mongers, there is not a battleforce among the first wave releases. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a DE battleforce with Warriors, Wyches, a raider and some Reaver jetbikes. it would be great. Granted, the rumor mongers, even the ones who are right 99% may be wrong. I'm hoping they are in this case, but my post was just in reference to what they have stated about 1st wave releases.

Is that Satan I see in a snowplough?

Cadaver wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Of course there's a Battleforce. GW's not stopped making Battleforces, and likely will not.

There, however, will not be an army box or spearhead, as both of those were things that failed miserably and just took up shelf space in the end.

According to the reliable rumor mongers, there is not a battleforce among the first wave releases. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a DE battleforce with Warriors, Wyches, a raider and some Reaver jetbikes. it would be great. Granted, the rumor mongers, even the ones who are right 99% may be wrong. I'm hoping they are in this case, but my post was just in reference to what they have stated about 1st wave releases.

Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

Oh My credit card screamed in fear when I saw this thread!!!!!

Rymafyr wrote:So, now that this has an official 'announcement' can we have serious discussion topics started in 40k general without those being locked?

I don't know, can you?

It really is up to the users in general, in the end!

Kanluwen wrote:

Cadaver wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Of course there's a Battleforce. GW's not stopped making Battleforces, and likely will not.

There, however, will not be an army box or spearhead, as both of those were things that failed miserably and just took up shelf space in the end.

According to the reliable rumor mongers, there is not a battleforce among the first wave releases. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a DE battleforce with Warriors, Wyches, a raider and some Reaver jetbikes. it would be great. Granted, the rumor mongers, even the ones who are right 99% may be wrong. I'm hoping they are in this case, but my post was just in reference to what they have stated about 1st wave releases.

Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

I hope so, as JES GOODWIN designed models might make me start up a new army!

All honesty, I can almost imagine them bringing back a Spearhead or Army Box, just for Dark Eldar given the kind of interest it generates here.


Then I remember pretty much everyone claiming "Oh man, I'm gonna drain my bank account making the coolest army ever!!!1!1!1!!" will buy one box of Warriors, screw up the paintjob or assembly then call everything "Worst. Designed. Army. Ever."

Is that piece of art from the old book? I know it's been floating around for a while. Sadly, C: DE is the one 40k book I do not own.

Uhh that artwork is from the main rulebook

I love the thread title, btw. Will there be a strong chance of snow if plastic sisters ever show up?

That skimmer looks huge! Maybe av14 or 13?

So Dark Eldar and Duke Nukem Forever get officially announced release dates within a month of one another.

It's the end of days, run for the hills!

I am excited and scared at the same time! I hope I don't have to completely rebuild my army...

Manchu wrote:I love the thread title, btw. Will there be a strong chance of snow if plastic sisters ever show up?

Quite possibly.

they are/have been worked upon. 100% honestly...I'm somewhat loathe to speculate upon them for now, we've got quite a lot of other release before we should see them.

New Dark Eldar OMG 1337 EPIC VACUUM CLEANER!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem*

Well, looks awesome, and will probably make me stop painting the Island of Blood and get back into 40k.

Hmm. I best land that bar job I applied for. Then I can chuck my Redundancy payment (all £1,400) at Dark Eldar, and get back into 40k some!

It's going to be interesting to see if they flop or not financially.

Damn it! as soon as I say to myself i'm not getting any more models until everything is painted! Those ba*****ds at GW are going to make me break my promise

reds8n wrote:they are/have been worked upon.

You just brought a tear to my eye.

Vhalyar wrote:It's going to be interesting to see if they flop or not financially.

Even more interesting to know how Interscrotes with no access to the specific details needed to be able to judge are going to present their opinions as facts.

P.S. Not calling your good self an Interscrote.

Kane wrote:Oh My credit card screamed in fear when I saw this thread!!!!!

Mine is lamenting also .

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

I'd like to order a Daemons battleforce when you find one, then, Kanluwen.

I'm excited as well. When I started 40k I avoided DE because I thought they'd never be redone. Now my dreams will come true.

Anyways, interesting that he noted 'some' new had been made. No codex confirmation or anything, just that they had done something.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So Dark Eldar and Duke Nukem Forever get officially announced release dates within a month of one another.

It's the end of days, run for the hills!

That just made me LoL IrL, just FYI.

Well, it's lucky for a friend of mine, she just started playing and wanted to be a form of "space elf", so another option just opened up for her.

jspyd3rx wrote:That skimmer looks huge! Maybe av14 or 13?

The Raider will be 12/10/10 open topped, fast skimmer.

puma713 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

I'd like to order a Daemons battleforce when you find one, then, Kanluwen.

To be fair there was a battalion splash released for demons when the code was released

Awesome, my friend can stop crying about them now.

Aramus wrote:Awesome, my friend can stop crying about them now.

Well now my other friend is gonna start crying about how broken they are, funny how that works?

I think, if some of you are right, that it will be hilarious if they just put out some new sculpts but no new rules. Well, hilarious on my end. It will be interesting to see next month what they start revealing to us. Black Library has beefed up the appearance of Dark Eldar in novels as of late, hopefully some of that content will make it in.

evilsponge wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

I'd like to order a Daemons battleforce when you find one, then, Kanluwen.

To be fair there was a battalion splash released for demons when the code was released

To be fair that doesn't remove the fact that demons haven't gotten an actual battleforce.

On topic, I hate 40K nowadays, but I am happy to hear about the DE getting released. Hopefully in a proper way they deserve instead of "Chaos spiky eldar...of DOOOOOM™®© "

If I still played I would be all over this.

Father Gabe wrote:It will be interesting to see next month what they start revealing to us.

It's only two weeks to GDUK, isn't it? Hopefully Jes will be showing off his work then. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than undermining their big event for little gain by waiting another week.

Black Library has beefed up the appearance of Dark Eldar in novels as of late, hopefully some of that content will make it in.

Has there been anything in these novels that the design team are likely to take as inspiration for a new unit?

reds8n wrote:

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

Daemons didn't and still haven't got a battleforce. But otherwise you are right

I would be very surprised if there isn't some kind of set, most likely involving a Raider, Wych set and warrior set

Great news

\m/

Daemons didn't and still haven't got a battleforce

Daemons did not get a Battleforce for a logical marketing reason. They are a niche army that is often collected and played by many enthusiasts using only the models of certain Chaos powers or even just a single Chaos power. Rather than put out a Battleforce that contained a great mix of plastics troops for multiple powers and have it sit on shelves collecting dust because a lot of customers only play Tzeentch or only play Khorne, etc., the GW Marketing team decided not to chance it and not have a Battleforce at all.

Now, that said, this logic clearly does not apply to Dark Eldar, the actual topic of this thread if I recall.

MANLY TEARS OF JOY! Can I just embed every single "DO WANT!" pic I find without getting banned for flooding or spaming? LOL

DO! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!

I think my bank balanc just whinced i can't wait

So do I get the official announcement right:
Andy who works at the GW studio in Nottingham has found out about the upcoming Dark Eldar release by looking at the early WD October copy?

Anyway, here the 2 weeks old rumour summary I did:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314450.page

Another tidbit: 2 metal boxes are likely to be Incubi and Mandrakes who will be all metal units.

And ED-209b over at Warseer noticed the unreleased mini-paint station behind the WD.

Gaz Taylor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

Daemons didn't and still haven't got a battleforce. But otherwise you are right

I would be very surprised if there isn't some kind of set, most likely involving a Raider, Wych set and warrior set

And the Daemons likely won't, just like there currently isn't a Dark Angels battleforce(before you say anything: Yes. I know there was one, but it was pulled when the Space Marine Battleforce was redone when the Codex was redone), Black Templars Battleforce, Grey Knights Battleforce, or a Blood Angels Battleforce, etc.

Daemons, upon their initial release, had all of what? Three plastic kits? Maybe four? Of those, they were two radically opposed Gods(Slaanesh and Khorne don't play nice, especially in 40k)
There's also the issue of Daemons being cross-system and it being hard to come up with a "good" set of contents that would please players of both systems.

Like Brass Scorpion said, it's a marketing logic reason for the most part though.

It's a testament to how abused GW's customers feel that in this thread so many have noted "but there was nothing about a new codex . . ."

BrassScorpion wrote: to Dark Eldar, the actual topic of this thread if I recall.

Yeah, I appreciate we still aren't exactly overburdened with DE intell, but let's please not turn this into an argument over what an entirely separate release quite some time ago got. Ta.

AFAIK there is no battleforce, at least in the initial wave of releases, that said I wouldn't be too surprised if they, and perhaps some of the other forces, got xmas army deals/similar.

And it only took them 12 years. In related news, GW to re-release Zoats and Squats in 2012.

Kanluwen wrote:And the Daemons likely won't, just like there currently isn't a Dark Angels battleforce(before you say anything: Yes. I know there was one, but it was pulled when the Space Marine Battleforce was redone when the Codex was redone), Black Templars Battleforce, Grey Knights Battleforce, or a Blood Angels Battleforce, etc.

Well, there was actually a Black Templar battleforce, I myself own it. But it was pretty boring (or lame). It was something like 15 standard marines, a command squad and a rhino, and not enough BT bits sprues.

reds8n wrote:got xmas army delas/similar.

Would be awesome. Those deals are very, very tempting. I still have a huge mess'o'tau (totally untouched) from the Armageddon deals a few years back. What was I thinking? Too much eggnog . . .

Erasoketa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And the Daemons likely won't, just like there currently isn't a Dark Angels battleforce(before you say anything: Yes. I know there was one, but it was pulled when the Space Marine Battleforce was redone when the Codex was redone), Black Templars Battleforce, Grey Knights Battleforce, or a Blood Angels Battleforce, etc.

Well, there was actualy a Black Templar battleforce, I myself own it. But it was pretty boring (or lame). It was something like 15 standard marines, a command squad and a rhino, and not enough BT bits sprues.

Key word in my post is "currently".

@Red:
I'm leaning towards the battleforce either retaining the same product code as the current one(which does occasionally happen, and throws everything out of whack. If you have the product code, you can actually still find the old Empire Battalion that has the Great Cannon, Outriders, etc on the GW website as an example) or being released around Christmas time(which is not the "November" release they're supposedly aiming for on the rest of it).

Gaz Taylor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Then ignore them.
The battleforces are always within 1st wave of releases, at least when we're talking about armies where a large amount of the range has been redone. There's not been any point where they've not done that, and I'd be completely surprised if they missed the opportunity here.

Daemons didn't and still haven't got a battleforce. But otherwise you are right

I would be very surprised if there isn't some kind of set, most likely involving a Raider, Wych set and warrior set

Whoah! A bit generous arent you?

You know you're not going to get more than three warriors for $90 right? Its a savings of -7%!

...they keep toying with us by using that same artwork...

either way, I'm going to be glued to my monitor Sept 26th!

Just out of wild curiosity, what would you call the Ravenwing battleforce?

evilsponge wrote:

reds8n wrote:

This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

Why would GW shoop a photo for a fake DE announcement? Even GW isn't that mean.

Kanluwen wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And the Daemons likely won't, just like there currently isn't a Dark Angels battleforce(before you say anything: Yes. I know there was one, but it was pulled when the Space Marine Battleforce was redone when the Codex was redone), Black Templars Battleforce, Grey Knights Battleforce, or a Blood Angels Battleforce, etc.

Well, there was actualy a Black Templar battleforce, I myself own it. But it was pretty boring (or lame). It was something like 15 standard marines, a command squad and a rhino, and not enough BT bits sprues.

Key word in my post is "currently".

My bad, I misread it. I thought you were putting BT in the GK and BA "team". IIRC any of this two armies got ever a battleforce, unlike DA and BT.

But... whatever, I don't care about battleforces. I'm gonna have a new codex!!!! FINALLY!

Fiend wrote:Why would GW shoop a photo for a fake DE announcement? Even GW isn't that mean.

He is just kidding, posting like using this kind of pic for fakes: http://images.google.es/images?hl=es&source=imghp&biw=1366&bih=575&q=this+looks+shopped&gbv=2&aq=3&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=this+loo&gs_rfai=

I'm gonna have a new codex!!!! FINALLY!

Just a reminder, that's not always a great thing. If it turns out like the last few Codex books, great! If it's more like Dark Angels or even Chaos Marines, well, let's call that mixed results.

Hah. I'm feeling fairly chuffed with myself now.

Back in September last year at Games Day UK, I had a chat with Phil Kelly

Compel wrote:


Another wee tidbit from him. "I only tend to work on one army book and one codex a year." Also, Robin Cruddace added that "the development for the Imperial Guard codex lasted a year."


Now, some good news, ish from Phil.

Phil Kelly would really, really love to write the Dark Eldar codex. He said that the work he was most proud of was the Eldar codex and he feels that him writing the Dark Eldar one, I can't think of the exact words he said but it was along the lines of, "it would be a great extension and conclusion of it." I can't understate the feeling I got from him about this, it's like he feels he was meant to write the Dark Eldar codex. Almost as if the Eldar one is an unfinished tale without their dark reflection being done justice. So, the good news is. Dark Eldar players really do have someone batting for them in the studio and quite heavily too. Secondly, from what Robin Cruddace was suggesting, if you want GW to hear your opinions, don't whine on internet forums or write emails. Games Workshop pays attention to actual physical letters sent to them via the postie. If you want to be heard, that's how you do it.

And, the bad news. From Phil Kelly's talk, the Dark Eldar codex is not written yet.

So, that was me pretty much right I think. It'd also strongly suggest that Phil Kelly wrote the codex.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I'm gonna have a new codex!!!! FINALLY!

Just a reminder, that's not always a great thing. If it turns out like the last few Codex books, great! If it's more like Dark Angels or even Chaos Marines, well, let's call that mixed results.

Oh well, I keep it mind. I'm in a point where I don't care if the new codex is too "killer" or too "sloppy". The previous one wasn't exactly the best codex ever published. Maybe GW thinks it was and that's why they needed so many time to develope a new one xDDD but I didn't.

A new codex means new fluff, new pics, possibily new gamestile. It's going to be refreshing for me anyways.

Wow, it's been a long time waiting for this one. When the last codex was released, Jar Jar Binks had yet to be inflicted on the world, 9/11 was still at the brain storming stage and David Beckham wasn't even on Tom Cruise's radar, letalone in his rollerdex.

Hmm... makes you wonder what disasters the release of DE v2.0 is an omen for

Surtur wrote:Just out of wild curiosity, what would you call the Ravenwing battleforce?

A Ravenwing Battleforce?

It's not "Dark Angels". It's not "Deathwing". It's "Ravenwing". There's more to the DA 'dex than just Ravenwing.

That's like if they were to release a White Scars battleforce, you wouldn't call it the Space Marines Battleforce now would you?

BrassScorpion wrote:Just a reminder, that's not always a great thing. If it turns out like the last few Codex books, great! If it's more like Dark Angels or even Chaos Marines, well, let's call that mixed results.

One can only hope that they don't get a Dark Angels quality codex, where the sublists are better than the standard list by miles.

Oh, and then six months later, Codex: Eldar comes out with the same options but better

You know what I find funny. I remember reading in one of the many Dark Eldar threads someone saying they won't believe they are coming until they see it on the back page of White Dwarf. Then we get that as official announcement. Someone in GW reading thread with sense of humour?

Wahey! Operation Wallet Drainer, Go Go Go!

Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Great news! Not a DE player myself, but as a Necron player this gives me hope. I'll be buying this codex just to help Xenos sales

Hmmm...Ill be watching this.

Doubt Ill build a whole army but DE have always provided good bits for chaos conversions.

Mad4Minis wrote:Hmmm...Ill be watching this.

Doubt Ill build a whole army but DE have always provided good bits for chaos conversions.

Funny you should say that. I remember seeing some Dark Angels with Dire Avenger Heads. I wonder if the same could be done by combining Chaos Space Marines with Dark Eldar Heads. Somebody needs to investigate that, it could turn out fantastic!

I'll be investing in around 1,000 Points to begin with. Then I'll expand when my Wallet has recovered slightly.

Alpharius wrote:Given how the date was picked rather arbitrarily, and given J.H.D.D.'s conviction that they'd NEVER be out, he should really allow the +/- one month(ish) and just accept the LOSS like a man!!!

If we go back a couple years to when the wager was made, that might be helpful in understanding things:

On 10/11/2008, Yakface threw down the gauntlet declaring that DE would be released "in the next two years" and "Phil Kelly is writing the codex and Jes Goodwin is sculpting an entirely new line of models. Both have confirmed this fact at the last LAGD. "
- Yakface set the date, not I.

On 10/11/2008, I accepted the challenge, with clarification of the terms for winning and losing.
- Yakface wins if a Phil Kelly DE Codex appears with Jes minis by 10/10/10
- I win if nothing before 10/10/10
- otherwise it's a push

On 10/14/2008, Yakface accepted, and the wager was on.

As you can see from the message trail, the actual dates were never within my control, although I did offer to test Yakface's conviction by asking if he wanted to start his clock with GD Spain (2/18/2008). Realistically, I expected him to win within the first 3-6 months. The fact that it looks to go the full duration is interesting, given how hot the DE rumors over the year were leading up to the wager.


BTW, I have *huge* respect for Yakface for having the stones to throw down the gauntlet. Nobody else had the stones to do it at the time. And nobody else was willing to pick it up...

Anyhow, Alphy, now that we're at the point of finally seeing the wager complete, it's amusing that you're so eager to want to change the conditions that were laid down two years ago, as I don't recall *you* stepping up and getting another naysayer on the hook.


Finally, it's not 10/10/10 yet. We still have nearly a month to go before the wager formally closes. See you in about a month.

I'm still not convinced.


Heavily implied sarcasm.

DE have always provided good bits for chaos conversions.

They really have. I used a lot of left over spikey bits from my Dark Eldar army on Chaos conversions years ago. I still have my original Dark Eldar army that I built and painted in 1998-1999 and something tells me that if the new models look great I'll be adding at least a few for the hobby fun of it.

Sheesh J.H.D.D., I was kidding!

Sensitive much?

Alpharius wrote:Sheesh J.H.D.D., I was kidding!

Sensitive much?

I know, I saw the smiley.

Nah, just a stickler for accuracy.

Hmm, okay. Wow.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Given how the date was picked rather arbitrarily, and given J.H.D.D.'s conviction that they'd NEVER be out, he should really allow the +/- one month(ish) and just accept the LOSS like a man!!!

If we go back a couple years to when the wager was made, that might be helpful in understanding things:

On 10/11/2008, Yakface threw down the gauntlet declaring that DE would be released "in the next two years" and "Phil Kelly is writing the codex and Jes Goodwin is sculpting an entirely new line of models. Both have confirmed this fact at the last LAGD. "
- Yakface set the date, not I.

On 10/11/2008, I accepted the challenge, with clarification of the terms for winning and losing.
- Yakface wins if a Phil Kelly DE Codex appears with Jes minis by 10/10/10
- I win if nothing before 10/10/10
- otherwise it's a push

On 10/14/2008, Yakface accepted, and the wager was on.

As you can see from the message trail, the actual dates were never within my control, although I did offer to test Yakface's conviction by asking if he wanted to start his clock with GD Spain (2/18/2008). Realistically, I expected him to win within the first 3-6 months. The fact that it looks to go the full duration is interesting, given how hot the DE rumors over the year were leading up to the wager.


BTW, I have *huge* respect for Yakface for having the stones to throw down the gauntlet. Nobody else had the stones to do it at the time. And nobody else was willing to pick it up...

Anyhow, Alphy, now that we're at the point of finally seeing the wager complete, it's amusing that you're so eager to want to change the conditions that were laid down two years ago, as I don't recall *you* stepping up and getting another naysayer on the hook.


Finally, it's not 10/10/10 yet. We still have nearly a month to go before the wager formally closes. See you in about a month.

Mini release wagers are serious business. I think we can all appreciate the serious intestinal fortitude it took for everyone involved to continue reading anything you post be part of such a monumental undertaking.

Did an ant just pass wind?

This is like the 3rd time I have witnessed Alphy win a wager in these forums and get shut down on technicalities... poor Alphy, can't catch a break!

Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

MajorTom11 wrote:This is like the 3rd time I have witnessed Alphy win a wager in these forums and get shut down on technicalities... poor Alphy, can't catch a break!

Have you got a link to what you're talking about?

I don't remember, I think it was a bet with Kan or something lol, these wagers never seem to go well lol!

I half expected the Incubi to be a metal/plastic set based on the new warriors, but I guess GW don't really do that sort of thing anymore.

Assuming he's the sculptor, when was the last time we had full metal minis by Goodwin?

So to clarify then John, DE don't actually have to have been released, we just need to have who wrote the rulebook, and who sculpted the miniatures clarified by the 10th?

That's still possible. Could go either way,

If the Incubi and Mandrakes are still going to be metal then given what the price of metal miniatures is these days I'll probably stick with my existing minis. Mandrakes are adequate and Incubi still look cool. I like a bit of retro in my armies anyway.

I will be interested to see how the plastic sets look. A less fragile and fiddly Talos model made of plastic would be cool.

Illumini wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

idk, man. I was kind of thinking the same thing. The newest codexes are always the best, right? So why not use the latest one for your army?

Though when I switched from Space Wolves to Blood Angels, I started losing more games than I'd like.

I may get some speeders to counts-as those Dark Eldar skimmer things, and run my marines as counts-as Dark Eldar as well.

MajorTom11 wrote:I don't remember, I think it was a bet with Kan or something lol, these wagers never seem to go well lol!

Oh, OK. I was wondering if I had somehow missed something.
____

Ketara wrote:So to clarify then John, DE don't actually have to have been released, we just need to have who wrote the rulebook, and who sculpted the miniatures clarified by the 10th?

No, it has to be released. See Yakface's original post.

This is not true, april fool. Oh wait that was done already.

OMG, OMG this must be really.

Oh wait this isn't april...... Ahhhhh

Sorry for all the taunting. I take it back Dark Eldar may yet get a second release.

8D

Well if they aren't getting squatted (sad face), I'll just have to hope the new models and fluff will make me tolerate their existence

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It does make me chuckle that they never actually mention a new codex, just new 'Dark Eldar'.

I'm still grinning like a Cheshire cat.

Good news/ Bad news

I just want to see some pics!!!!!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
O hai, for several years that I was absolutely sure Dark eldar were getting squatted just like my own beloved dogs of war, it seems I was actually wrong.

I'd like to take the time to humbly apologise for all the threads I pulled into the abyss in the meanwhile...

Darth Bob wrote:I'm still not convinced.


Heavily implied sarcasm.

I know that was sarcasm, but "the Studio has made some brand-new Dark Eldar" doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence. Usually, when there is a codex release, they are pretty proud of it and they let you know.

Hopefully, the vaguery of it is because it is still a couple of weeks out and it'll start to shape up into a whole new release. However, "some brand-new Dark Eldar" sounds like a couple of new boxes, not an entire range + codex.

KPCommissar wrote:

Illumini wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Lol, I really hope this is a joke.

idk, man. I was kind of thinking the same thing. The newest codexes are always the best, right? So why not use the latest one for your army?

Though when I switched from Space Wolves to Blood Angels, I started losing more games than I'd like.

I may get some speeders to counts-as those Dark Eldar skimmer things, and run my marines as counts-as Dark Eldar as well.

KPCommissar gets the idea. I wasn't joking, why would you think that

Going to use my rhinos to count as ravagers. While people will be scrambling to paint their stuff, I'll be playing the codex
And if it doesn't pan out competitively, I can just go back to Blood Angels or Space Wolves until Grey Knights roll out. Missile Spam with the SW is awesome.

Edit:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

Well ok, whatever floats your boat. But we wouldn't even play each other at first because you'd be busy buying and painting models while I'd actually play people

So are they just bringing out a codex and some new models or are they completely redesigning the dark eldar?

I think I just died. Like heart stop died. Oh sweet geeky heaven!!!!


Someone slap me?

So.. Dark eldar is going to beat duke nukem forever?! Amazing!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
O hai, for several years that I was absolutely sure Dark eldar were getting squatted just like my own beloved dogs of war, it seems I was actually wrong.

I'd like to take the time to humbly apologise for all the threads I pulled into the abyss in the meanwhile...

Nice one MGS.


And anyone here who's surprised to see Johnny trying to weasel his way out of this wager, raise your hand please.

No one? No one?

*crickets chirp*

Didn't think so.


JohnnyHDD:

Well, I do so hope, my dear, dear, Hwangman, that after years of flame baiting and trolling people who wanted a new DE army that you enjoy that heaping big slice of humble pie. I've said it to you a dozen times in the past on a number of issues, but, really, it's never felt any better than this:

You were wrong.


Ah! Feels liberating.

It would be so much more fun if Duke Nukem Forever and Dark Eldar were slated for 12/22/12-then the naysayers AND the hopefuls would do a massive facepalm. I'd give that a thumbs up for hilarity's sake. But rest assured, I'm excited for dark eldar-the models mostly...I will probably play them, regardless of how well they play, but mostly because of how beautiful the sculpts will probably be. If the sculpts suck...I won't play. Art will inspire me here, not codex creep

Dark eldar are no longer safe from updates... update your relevant images!



Need time with photoshop...

KPCommissar wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

Well, stupid as this idea is, you can of course do whatever you please in friendly games as long as you can keep finding opponents. It won't fly in tournaments, I don't have to spend my time playing guys like you, so have fun with your proxyhammer

Don't want codex creep just something to justify £17.50 on a book that will fall apart after 2 weeks.

Not to derail the thread Illumini, but how do you feel about one set of SM models to be used with any/all SM variants? I play BA, but I also have a vanilla codex, SWs, BT, Chaos and I'll get DA eventually. All of my models are appropriately armed for whatever army is playing them, just the paint jobs and symbols are all BA. Actually, everyone I know who has SM models does the same-in tournaments locally even. 'Course, I run the tourney's in my FLGS and I have no problem with it, but other than testing out armies...yea, different species shouldn't count for proxying in tourneys.

To rerail the thread-can't wait for a plastic Talos-might buy a couple just on looks alone!

Space marines are also a lot easier to paint than other things. I tried painting some eldar once because I heard Eldrad was awesome, but it's way too much work. Even my orks have enough paint on them to make them green; their clothes are black thanks to the primer, and the weapons are all just painted with metallic.

Dark eldar models look like a lot of effort to paint for something that's just going to be obsolete by the next codex to come out anyway. This way I can just spray a new layer of paint on my marines (probably a dark blue or purple or something) to counts-as dark eldar, and then spray them grey when the grey knights come out.

KPCommissar wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

Seriously? So you'd proxy stuff in to play a completely different army? That just sounds ridiculously bad to me. I mean if you've made a custom chapter or whatever then you're free to use any marine codex as you can easily say "My marines are a successor chapter of . . . Or are a part of . . . Legion."

But to go and use Marines as a compeltely different army? Jeez if you want to play an army that bad go out and start buying some models . . . or maybe you can just use cardboard boxes and pieces of foam. This means you don't have to buy any models or spend time painting them. Just go and spend the money on hookers and drugs. Live it up a bit.

Oshova

KPCommissar wrote:Space marines are also a lot easier to paint than other things. I tried painting some eldar once because I heard Eldrad was awesome, but it's way too much work. Even my orks have enough paint on them to make them green; their clothes are black thanks to the primer, and the weapons are all just painted with metallic.

Dark eldar models look like a lot of effort to paint for something that's just going to be obsolete by the next codex to come out anyway. This way I can just spray a new layer of paint on my marines (probably a dark blue or purple or something) to counts-as dark eldar, and then spray them grey when the grey knights come out.

A piece of my soul just died...

KPCommissar wrote:Space marines are also a lot easier to paint than other things. I tried painting some eldar once because I heard Eldrad was awesome, but it's way too much work. Even my orks have enough paint on them to make them green; their clothes are black thanks to the primer, and the weapons are all just painted with metallic.

Dark eldar models look like a lot of effort to paint for something that's just going to be obsolete by the next codex to come out anyway. This way I can just spray a new layer of paint on my marines (probably a dark blue or purple or something) to counts-as dark eldar, and then spray them grey when the grey knights come out.

The avatar makes sense..

timetowaste85 wrote:Not to derail the thread Illumini, but how do you feel about one set of SM models to be used with any/all SM variants? I play BA, but I also have a vanilla codex, SWs, BT, Chaos and I'll get DA eventually. All of my models are appropriately armed for whatever army is playing them, just the paint jobs and symbols are all BA. Actually, everyone I know who has SM models does the same-in tournaments locally even. 'Course, I run the tourney's in my FLGS and I have no problem with it, but other than testing out armies...yea, different species shouldn't count for proxying in tourneys.

To rerail the thread-can't wait for a plastic Talos-might buy a couple just on looks alone!

IMO, it needs some work to pull off, but one marine-army as all marine armies can work out very well if enough thought is put into it. If you include thundercav in your blood angel army, I would expect to see some effort in trying to make them fit in as blood angels - at least in a tournament setting.

My issue here is using marines - T4, S4 3+ save guys with bolters as dark eldar - T3 S3 6+ save guys with eldar weapons. It crosses all kinds of lines and is just silly. It is faaaar away from count-as at that point and into pure proxy land. Why not just play with empty bases at that point?

KPCommissar wrote:I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

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KPCommissar wrote:Space marines are also a lot easier to paint than other things. I tried painting some eldar once because I heard Eldrad was awesome, but it's way too much work. Even my orks have enough paint on them to make them green; their clothes are black thanks to the primer, and the weapons are all just painted with metallic.

Dark eldar models look like a lot of effort to paint for something that's just going to be obsolete by the next codex to come out anyway. This way I can just spray a new layer of paint on my marines (probably a dark blue or purple or something) to counts-as dark eldar, and then spray them grey when the grey knights come out.

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Oshova wrote:Seriously? So you'd proxy stuff in to play a completely different army? That just sounds ridiculously bad to me. I mean if you've made a custom chapter or whatever then you're free to use any marine codex as you can easily say "My marines are a successor chapter of . . . Or are a part of . . . Legion."

But to go and use Marines as a compeltely different army? Jeez if you want to play an army that bad go out and start buying some models . . . or maybe you can just use cardboard boxes and pieces of foam. This means you don't have to buy any models or spend time painting them. Just go and spend the money on hookers and drugs. Live it up a bit.

Oshova

I was planning on using the tyranid codex with my marines so I called them genestealer hybrids who raided a ultramarine armory, because there's 'stealer' in their name so I think that's the kind of thing they would pull off, but the tyranid codex sucked so I gave up on that. There's like tons of way of justifying that kind of choice for the fluff nuts.

A piece of my soul just died...

Actually mine flew a little...
needed a good laugh.

the fellow doth but jest and play the fool for our merriment...

Hopefully some kind rich soul leaves at least one boxed set for us old school DE players

KPCommissar wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
If you don't buy the minis for other ranges, all GW will do is extent the period between this and the next Dark Eldar codex and increase the release of more marine codices...

Also, if you set up marines opposite me and told me you're using the brand new Dark Eldar codex to represent them because it's powerful, I will be very happy to move to another table and place you on r/l ignore.

I'd prefer more marine codexes, I think. The tyranids codex was crap, full of a lot of confusing options that people say weren't any good to even bother with. With the newer marine codexes they keep making things better and better (predators that can move fast? yes please!) and I can't wait to see what will happen with the rumored grey knights codex.

That said, with as long as the dark eldar codex has been in coming, I bet its' going to be full of kickin rad stuff that blows the current marine books out of the water. So why not use my models for dark eldar until an even better marine codex comes out? It's just the natural progression of power, man.

And honestly, what do you care what models I use for my army? So long as I use landspeeders for the dark eldar skimmers and my squads are the right size, and special weapons can be told, what does it matter to you what rules I'm using for them?

This is why the Xenos players can't have nice things!

Edit: Never mind, noticed it was a troll profile

Kurgash wrote:
This is why the Xenos players can't have nice things!

Wins thread.

Successful troll is successful...

KPCommissar wrote:Space marines are also a lot easier to paint than other things. I tried painting some eldar once because I heard Eldrad was awesome, but it's way too much work. Even my orks have enough paint on them to make them green; their clothes are black thanks to the primer, and the weapons are all just painted with metallic.

Dark eldar models look like a lot of effort to paint for something that's just going to be obsolete by the next codex to come out anyway. This way I can just spray a new layer of paint on my marines (probably a dark blue or purple or something) to counts-as dark eldar, and then spray them grey when the grey knights come out.

But then the paint gets like super thick, like right now with my marines and it's not very nice

edit: sorry this is a bit off topic :(

Vhalyar wrote:Depending on how good the codex is, I think that I might have a use for it. Right now I'm using the Blood Angels codex for my marines (started out as Ultras and then moved to Wolves and then to BA), but I think that the Dark Eldar fluff would be closer to what I envision my marines as (my chapter is called the Shadow marines btw), so I'll just use my current models as stand-ins. Most of my troops are not magnetized though, so what I do for weapon coherency when using a new codex is paint a dab of colour on the bases. That way I don't need to touch the models in any way. Like a green dab is a lascannon, but in this case it'll be something like a dark gun or whatever the dark eldar use. So anyway, I'm really looking forward to them because at last my space marines will play like I've wanted them to! I'm also really stoked about the upcoming grey knights, I love having options

Peace

Be careful of the hobby naziis out there who won't play against such an affront to the collecting/modeling/painting efforts they themselves make.

Oh wait, I my self am a hobby nazi. A POX ON YOUR LAZINESS! If you want to play Dark Eldar, play Dark Eldar. If you want to play Space Marines, play Space Marines.

Yeah, but KPCommissar is dead serious

A piece of my soul just died.

Vhalyar wrote:

Oshova wrote:Seriously? So you'd proxy stuff in to play a completely different army? That just sounds ridiculously bad to me. I mean if you've made a custom chapter or whatever then you're free to use any marine codex as you can easily say "My marines are a successor chapter of . . . Or are a part of . . . Legion."

But to go and use Marines as a compeltely different army? Jeez if you want to play an army that bad go out and start buying some models . . . or maybe you can just use cardboard boxes and pieces of foam. This means you don't have to buy any models or spend time painting them. Just go and spend the money on hookers and drugs. Live it up a bit.

Oshova

I was planning on using the tyranid codex with my marines so I called them genestealer hybrids who raided a ultramarine armory, because there's 'stealer' in their name so I think that's the kind of thing they would pull off, but the tyranid codex sucked so I gave up on that. There's like tons of way of justifying that kind of choice for the fluff nuts.

Oh there are definitely ways of making anything seem fluffily correct. But you're pulling at such extreme straws that your story becomes full of ridiculous-ness (?), whereas using marine models painted grey as different chapter codices can easily be justified. No extremes being pulled at there.

Oshova

My god, can we get off the subject of ridiculous counts-as and insulting the counter-as'ers and get back to the topic and trying to claim this as a hoax?

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I can't believe that Dark Eldar are actually being redone. Fingers crossed they don't make it an Imperial-Guard/Blood Angel kind of Codex and instead one that isn't hated by everyone that doesn't play it.

Even so, from the only sculptor mentioned so being Jes Goodwin, suggests that some people were right and he may well be redesigning them all himself?!

Modquisition Frazzled is deleting this as its unnecessarily flamy against another poster.

Do it like this Dave:

Modquisition on.
Quit trolling this thread people or the hammer will fall.

EDITED FOR FEAR OF MODQUISITION

I like how people are still seriously being skeptical when GW flat out said DE are coming...ffs.

Frazzled wrote:Do it like this Dave:

Modquisition on.
Quit trolling this thread people or the hammer will fall.

*hugs*


ahem. *dusts self off*


So how much info are we expecting to scrounge from Games Day then?

Just Dave wrote:
So how much info are we expecting to scrounge from Games Day then?

Well usually we expect nothing. This is an unprecidented turn of events where GW actually wants to tell us what they've been up to.

Darth Bob wrote:Off Topic: Anyone who would seriously venture to count-as Marines with the Dark Eldar codex should be flogged for sheer idiocy. I mean seriously? Marines counting as Eldar? Jesus Christ...

That's not very nice at all, no need for calling names :/
I enjoy the rules aspect of the game, that's all, and if the rumors about the dark eldar being terrifying on the first turn/arrival are true I think it'd make for a very dynamic playstyle. Also lots of poison, that's pretty unique. So if anything I'll try them.

Darth Bob wrote:

Just Dave wrote:
So how much info are we expecting to scrounge from Games Day then?

Well usually we expect nothing. This is an unprecidented turn of events where GW actually wants to tell us what they've been up to.

No, they can't give any info away! HBMC will have nothing to complain about!

(I''m kidding. I love HBMC, and would have quit this place a long time ago if not for him)

Man I just wet my pants

I just hope DE don't become the big popular army now

So Raiders to be totally redesigned or is the one in that pic simply artistic license do we think?

I thought I heard that they might get redesigned?

fett14622 wrote:I just hope DE don't become the big popular army now

Just as sure as the seasons come, so too do the Flavor of the Month-ers.

Where are the stat leaks/rumors? We usually have a good guess as to half the codex by now.

Yeah
It'll pass. But if people that who wouldn't have previously bothered with DE get to like the new minis and fluff, well that's fair enough.

As has been said before, when the FotM dudes move on to the next new thang, they will be selling off the DE to help fund it.
Nice new second hand toys on ebay!

CT GAMER wrote:So Raiders to be totally redesigned or is the one in that pic simply artistic license do we think?

I thought I heard that they might get redesigned?

They're getting a new kit, I'd expect them to change as much as any other model in the DE range.

I am certainly keen to see what a brand new Jes Goodwin range is going to look like.

That alone is what's attracting me to the idea of Deldar as a second 40k army.

Yeah, I personally dislike pretty much all of the current Dark Eldar models, the new stuff could be really very interesting...

Maybe a Brain-Blessed related picture to celebrate the biggest Wargaming news for a while?!

He has already graced this thread with a most excellent picture.

Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

HAHAHAHAHAHA so GW finally decided to do it

I havent bought a GW product for nine months. I think this is my time to break that streak

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I am certainly keen to see what a brand new Jes Goodwin range is going to look like.

Yeah, this!

When was the last time he had a major input/output for a line?

4th edition skaven? He designed the whole range pretty much .. probably some of the only really GOOD models from that era

Then of course 5th and 6th ed skaven were a total disaster

The monkey Skaven were horrible, but the recent stuff isn't bad at all.

It will be interesting to see what the codex really is and if all the rumors are even close.

KPCommissar wrote:Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

WOW you really try to have a second go in the same thread trolling excelence!

Nice that they finally are coming these Dark Eldar. Now we can laugh at the new models in thongs instead of the old ones .
Nah im actually very glad i will most likely be alive when the Dark Eldar hit the stores.

Cheers all

Excellent. Doesn't sound anywhere near an entire new range though. Not enough excitement.

Iron Angel wrote:WOW you really try to have a second go in the same thread trolling excelence!

No, I'm not trying to "have a second go", and I'm not trolling. I honestly do feel that the proxy thing is a valid thing, but I won't continue that discussion here (will probably make a thread for it or something.)

Back to my recent post, I do think that the Black Reach box was a good way to get people into the game. I play both IG and Marines (check my sig), but the work needed to put the guard together was honestly pretty annoying. I don't see what's wrong with wanting something that's quick and easy to assemble and play with that still looks good.

Plus, new models are expensive (as I'm sure everyone would agree.) If they did something like the Black Reach box with its' massive savings/discount for Dark Eldar, it'd make collecting the new army a lot easier.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It does make me chuckle that they never actually mention a new codex, just new 'Dark Eldar'.

I'm still grinning like a Cheshire cat.

My thoughts exactly

"Six plastic boxed sets plus two metals" doesn't sound like an entire new range to you?

Consider the WHFB Empire boxes. The Empire State Troops and Crossbowmen box sets alone account for five different army list entries between the two boxes.

Six plastic boxed sets is absurdly close to an entire range, depending on how it's setup.

Ravager or Raider could be one complete plastic boxed set, which knocks down two army list entries.
Wyches could easily incorporate parts to also make Mandrakes.
Warriors could probably incorporate parts to make anything similar to them(depending on how the army list entry is. Because we don't know what's in there yet).
Hellions could be used, potentially, to make either Hellions or with some creativity--whatever the Dark Eldar equivalent to Jump Troops is.
Jetbikes, of course, are probably going to be their own thing.

That's just going by what we've had "confirmed" by reliable sources. Warriors, Wyches, Hellions, Jetbikes, Raiders and Ravagers(which make sense, since it's a metal/plastic hybrid kit now).

But noone seemed sure if Raiders and Ravagers were going to be one kit or two.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It does make me chuckle that they never actually mention a new codex, just new 'Dark Eldar'.

I'm still grinning like a Cheshire cat.

My thoughts exactly

Right. I'm still holding my breath. "Some brand-new Dark Eldar" doesn't make any mention of a codex. Usually, the Codex is the first thing that gets mentioned, iirc.

Kanluwen wrote:"Six plastic boxed sets plus two metals" doesn't sound like an entire new range to you?

Consider the WHFB Empire boxes. The Empire State Troops and Crossbowmen box sets alone account for five different army list entries between the two boxes.

Six plastic boxed sets is absurdly close to an entire range, depending on how it's setup.

Ravager or Raider could be one complete plastic boxed set, which knocks down two army list entries.
Wyches could easily incorporate parts to also make Mandrakes.
Warriors could probably incorporate parts to make anything similar to them(depending on how the army list entry is. Because we don't know what's in there yet).
Hellions could be used, potentially, to make either Hellions or with some creativity--whatever the Dark Eldar equivalent to Jump Troops is.
Jetbikes, of course, are probably going to be their own thing.

That's just going by what we've had "confirmed" by reliable sources. Warriors, Wyches, Hellions, Jetbikes, Raiders and Ravagers(which make sense, since it's a metal/plastic hybrid kit now).

But noone seemed sure if Raiders and Ravagers were going to be one kit or two.

Sounds pretty tasty

Oh! Well, I meant Gw's attitude didn't seem excited enough to warrant an entire new range. I wouldn't be totally surprised if this ends up in a "Half november-Half december" sort of thing, and we end up waiting for the next wave.

I can see: The Raider, Warriors and something metal getting released first, then everything else afterwards.

Darth Bob wrote:

Just Dave wrote:
So how much info are we expecting to scrounge from Games Day then?

Well usually we expect nothing. This is an unprecidented turn of events where GW actually wants to tell us what they've been up to.

Well, you must remember now that it's getting close to the release date for DE and WFB has had its few months as the center of attention in the GW universe, GW wants to tell us all about the new 40k army so we open our wallets and hand over the cash. Which I'm more than happy to do.

I expect we see a whole lot of the DE 1st wave probably followed shortly by pre-orders on GW in their 'Eavy Metal glory to get people drooling. They've kept it under wraps very well until now, with this announcement I'm sure the floodgates will open at GDUK. I will be parked at my desk on the 26th for most of the afternoon I'm sure, hopefully with jaw rested comfortably on my keyboard.


EDIT: So this is the new thing now? Since GW confirms DE are coming people are going to claim, "they never said it was a codex release" and, "it's probably just a few boxes - maybe." Seriously, guys, for whatever reason you still don't believe it - just stop. You just look foolish at this point.

KPCommissar wrote:Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort. So it's not going to happen.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Oh! Well, I meant Gw's attitude didn't seem excited enough to warrant an entire new range. I wouldn't be totally surprised if this ends up in a "Half november-Half december" sort of thing, and we end up waiting for the next wave.

I can see: The Raider, Warriors and something metal getting released first, then everything else afterwards.

Think again.

This is something that they can afford to be secretive with. Just the fact that something new has been announced is amazing news. They don't have to do the 6 month window here.
They can be as secretive as they want, and yet people still claim they will buy it(whatever it will be).

I'm willing to guess that they'll do most of the Dark Eldar range as one huge release in November, with supplementary content in December and January.

Kanluwen wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Oh! Well, I meant Gw's attitude didn't seem excited enough to warrant an entire new range. I wouldn't be totally surprised if this ends up in a "Half november-Half december" sort of thing, and we end up waiting for the next wave.

I can see: The Raider, Warriors and something metal getting released first, then everything else afterwards.

Think again.

This is something that they can afford to be secretive with. Just the fact that something new has been announced is amazing news. They don't have to do the 6 month window here.
They can be as secretive as they want, and yet people still claim they will buy it(whatever it will be).

I'm willing to guess that they'll do most of the Dark Eldar range as one huge release in November, with supplementary content in December and January.

Yeah, that makes sense too

I mean, people have been waiting for almost 14 years now, soo....

This is where the punters have it all wrong.
We should DEMAND to know or threaten not to buy!

Guess we just have to wait until GayDayUK
*twiddles thumbs*


*drums keyboard with fingers*


the suspense is killin' me already.
JUST SHOW SOME PICS DAMMIT!

YES!

I don't even play Dark Eldar, but now with their new codex I can proudly say that Marines won't be next!

Now if they could get started on my Necrons please...

Hokiecow wrote:

KPCommissar wrote:Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort. So it's not going to happen.

Yeah, of course DE would never be considered for a starter box.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Hokiecow wrote:

KPCommissar wrote:Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort. So it's not going to happen.

Yeah, of course DE would never be considered for a starter box.

Being ironic, right?

YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Would be fun if the printed Codex is on display at Games Day UK, which is before 10th October
Would also be fun if JohnHwangDD would use the won dollar to buy the Dark Eldar Codex.
Anyway, most GW shops will have the Dark Eldar Codex on display in October, not all before 10th October though.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Excellent. Doesn't sound anywhere near an entire new range though. Not enough excitement.

We know for years that the whole range is resculpted. November wave consists of:

Codex
6 plastic boxes (Warriors, Wyches, Raider, Ravager, Hellions and most certainly Reaver jetbikes)
3 metal boxes (most certainly mandrakes, Incubi and a third unknown one)
3 metal blisters (including HQ/characters)
a specialty item

A 1.5 and second wave will follow next year.

So don't get fooled by this I-work-at-GW-Nottingham-and-found-out-about-the-new-Dark-Eldar-release-by-reading-WD marketing crap. GW has its own rules not allowing for proper marketing, not even for big risky releases.

I just finished revising my DE armylist =(
Anyways, about time. visit commorragh.proboards.com *cough *cough

Hokiecow wrote:DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort.

Nope.

Kroothawk wrote:Would also be fun if JohnHwangDD would use the won dollar to buy the Dark Eldar Codex.

No thanks. GW got my Dark Eldar money once before and never again.

bhsman wrote:

Hokiecow wrote:DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort.

Nope.

Spamming dark lances is a challenge that only the finest of tacticians can handle.
Speaking of dark lance spam, I guess that this is a goodbye?

Platuan4th wrote:Being ironic, right?

Sarcastic. Ironic would be agreeing with him, and even that'd not be true irony.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Hokiecow wrote:

KPCommissar wrote:Any hope of getting something like the Black Reach box for the Dark Eldar? It was nice getting a lot of my marines in an easy to assemble form. If I do go through the effort of actually using DE models, I'd like it to be a fast and easy process.

DE would be considered models for experience player, who don't mind the effort. So it's not going to happen.

Yeah, of course DE would never be considered for a starter box.

I'm speaking of going forward, of course. Besides, lets see if that ever happens again; DE or any new race for that matter. GW has learned there lesson from that one.

Vhalyar wrote:

bhsman wrote:

Nope.

Spamming dark lances is a challenge that only the finest of tacticians can handle.

Pretty much the only config a new player can remotely be successful at. Just because a lot people find it the only way play does not mean they are easy army to master.

Satan needs a parka.

You rang Mulady?

This is good news. Can't wait for some pics!

Hallejuah! I feel hope for us Necrons now! I'm glad they aren't dropping the Dark Eldar, all the more eager for Games Day UK now.

Finally My Dark Eldar will have COOL models!!!!!!

thnx for the info. i know a certain friend of mine who will be getting heart attacks over the news.

Yay BDSM space pirate elves!

i saw this and was really excited! maybe DE forums will takeover all the ba and sm lists and forums on dakkadakka!

I think i'm going to need a dump truck to take away the empty sprues from my home come november.

Warboss Gubbinz wrote:I think i'm going to need a dump truck to take away the empty sprues from my home come november.

Don't waste; make some good terrain with ground-up sprue as rubble.

don't get me wrong. I love the DE but anyone else feel like this a day late and a dollar short?

WWWWWWAAAAGGHGHGHG< err. i mean for corrmoragh.or something. I am so stoked. May they be the marine killers that they were in the old dex times 10. i May have to sell my nids. smiles.

If theyre somewhat compatible with Eldar then GW will gain money from me!.. If not, they better have no fluff that shows me their not a bunch of spikey 1990s goth space elves

physcosamatic wrote:Yay BDSM space pirate elves!

Cause i'm that kinda guy, I'm that kinda guy

awsome! and its about freaking time.

Dark Eldar.... Dark Eldar..... Are they an Imperial Fists successor?

/joke.

Looks awesome.

*eadbang*

KPCommissar wrote:

Iron Angel wrote:WOW you really try to have a second go in the same thread trolling excelence!

No, I'm not trying to "have a second go", and I'm not trolling. I honestly do feel that the proxy thing is a valid thing, but I won't continue that discussion here (will probably make a thread for it or something.)

Back to my recent post, I do think that the Black Reach box was a good way to get people into the game. I play both IG and Marines (check my sig), but the work needed to put the guard together was honestly pretty annoying. I don't see what's wrong with wanting something that's quick and easy to assemble and play with that still looks good.

Plus, new models are expensive (as I'm sure everyone would agree.) If they did something like the Black Reach box with its' massive savings/discount for Dark Eldar, it'd make collecting the new army a lot easier.

Heroclix is that way =======>

aseraphin wrote:don't get me wrong. I love the DE but anyone else feel like this a day late and a dollar short?

A day late, yes. Whether it comes up short remains to be seen...

What im suprised about, is the fact that its this close the release, and yet no one has seen any pics.

It's the GW marketing strategy. Instead of get everyone all pumped before hand, they just say "surprise, here's a redone 12 year old model range with 15 new kits and a codex".

I don't really mind the old models so I am kind of ambivalent about new stuff. MY most fervent hope is that the codex is redone and not just the model range. I picked up a second hand DE army from ebay so would hope to still be able to use that without having to invest too much further. Knowing GW there will be a whole bunch of spangly new units requiring purchase.

I talked to my redshirt friend yesterday (yes yes, I know, 'redshirts', but I've known him for a while and I trust him) and apparently he saw the new range, though briefly.

I don't know if he'd mind me posting this, but he didn't really make a secret out of it. As he only saw the range very briefly, he wasn't able to remember much as there was too much to see.

What he could tell me was:
- He was really impressed with the quality of the models.
- Thankfully the Dark Eldar have now also lost the top-knots.
- It was hard to describe to overall style, as he couldn't think of a good comparison model/army.
- The Raider will be like the one in the well-know black 'n white picture, including Dark Eldar jumping off and 'sail'.
- Wyches will be both male and female.
- Wyches at least include one head with a blank faceplate (like the Shadowseer).
- The army has a really evil look, including bone-piercings and spikey bits.

I know it's not much, but I think we'll all just have to wait until the pictures of GDUK are back.

Enginseer wrote:- The Raider will be like the one in the well-know black 'n white picture, including Dark Eldar jumping off and 'sail'.

Yup, IIRC the hanging passengers, whilst optional, are also compatible with the Ravager kit.

Enginseer wrote:- Wyches will be both male and female.

I don't get it: does GW not want my money?

reds8n wrote:

Enginseer wrote:- The Raider will be like the one in the well-know black 'n white picture, including Dark Eldar jumping off and 'sail'.

Yup, IIRC the hanging passengers, whilst optional, are also compatible with the Ravager kit.

Though that wouldn't really make any sense, being a gunship and all (but may just look cool, perhaps even for a Vect conversion). I am curious though if they include both regular warrior and wyche hanging/jumping models.

The new Dark Eldar will be on display at GD Germany, which is 17th October (or a week after 10th October ).
Confirmed by the German version of the posted official announcement.

Wow. Duke Nukem Forever, AND Dark Eldar both officially announced in the same year, and within just a few weeks of each other.

- Thankfully the Dark Eldar have now also lost the top-knots.

!!!!

This is good news indeed! Maybe Hell really DID freeze over!

It goes without saying that it's been way too fething long, but I'm glad Dark Eldar are finally getting redone and I can't wait to see the models...and rules. I really hope they get good rules, too.

AlexHolker wrote:

Enginseer wrote:- Wyches will be both male and female.

I don't get it: does GW not want my money?

They most certainly DO want your money . . . They just want you to buy twice as many models to make all female squads =D

Or maybe you could make moulds of the females, melt down the males and recast them . . . using completely cheap and neccessary machinery . . . =p

Oshova

About damn time the Dark Eldar get a new codex.

Now sisters of battle?
*poke poke*

My son had a DE army and could never win with it, I only won twice with it and it was against him, never won if I didnt have first go. But I love the idea of them and they had SOME awesome figures but not many, if the figures are cool Ill have a punt at painting but unless the stats have chnaged no new army for me Im afraid..

Lord of battles wrote:Now sisters of battle?
*poke poke*

Please don't, even as a joke.

Next SoB project that I know of is a novel "Hammer and Anvil" around this time next year. I guess there's a chance that the audio book might be before this *shrugs*

.. anyway, back to the DE ...

Sisters are rumored to be mid/late next year, after Grey Knights in January and Necrons in early/mid next year.

But that doesn't matter at the moment, it's still a year off at least, and Dark Eldar are being announced, officially, right now.

I heard that the sisters were getting a new codex with plastic models next year as well.

Great to finally see the dark eldar getting some love at long last. Not sure it'll be enough to get me to get my old kabal restarted but I am looking forward to seeing the effect they have on the game.

doghouse wrote:I heard that the sisters were getting a new codex with plastic models next year as well.

Pray GW would know how to sculpt human females by then

So, that 2000 points of Dark Eldar I have to buy...it sounds like they'll be released before the end of this year, is there like a deadline or something for that? Because I probably won't have the money until January or even February.

I dunno if anyone has seen Alpharius's comments in other threads about that or not, but if you have then hopefully I gave someone a chuckle with that.

not to derail but - DoW SS = dark eldar and SoB ... co-incidence... drum up popularity?

If that's the case, it's how many years late?

Phototoxin wrote:not to derail but - DoW SS = dark eldar and SoB ... co-incidence... drum up popularity?

Didnt that game come out in 2008?

and that game wasnt too well liked anyways

Bleah. I have 90+ of the old Warrior minis - the new ones would have to be mighty impressive indeed to tempt me into replacing them all. Plastic Wyches, on the other hand, will be great as I didn't get many of the metals.

Whereas I have 40-50 Wyches . . . And around 100+ Warriors . . . And I would probably still buy more if the models are as nice as I think they will be =D

Oshova

*does happy dance*

Oh, yes, yes, yes! I'm so happy. Can't wait to see my DE back in the "main stream". I was surprised. I didn't think anyone was going to admit they were wrong. My faith in humanity is restored. Oh, wait. Just watched the news. Nevermind.

I'm going to use my old models w/ the new models. To much money was sunk into the old stuff to just toss them.

*trying to wait patiently, trying*

Looks at thread title...


Looks at people continuing to drag thread off topic, after being told not to...

Well, my interest is piqued. I'm withholding judgment until I see some pics, but this could potentially get me to actually buy a few new GW minis. For all of the original line's many faults, DE were my first army, so I have some nostalgic feelings about the army. I hope GW does them right this time.

Alpharius wrote:Looks at thread title...


Looks at people continuing to drag thread off topic, after being told not to...

And that's the way it will always be. Sadly.

And I know how you feel, they were my first army too. Good old 3ed Starter Box =p

At the time I never foresaw me playing so many different games and armies. And yet in the end it all comes back to DE . . . I hope GW do them well =/

What are you looking forward to the most people?

Oshova

Modquisitor Frazzled, the Worst Mod Evah! is deleting as its what the Immortal bard would call...flaming.

Oshova wrote:What are you looking forward to the most people?

AlexHolker wrote:An all-female Wych sprue, sculpted by Jes Goodwin and/or Juan Diaz, sold at Troops choice prices (15 pounds for 10).

Nothing.

I'm going to go ahead and call it: many Dark Eldar players will whine over the new codex, citing its problems over the old one.

AlexHolker wrote:
An all-female Wych sprue, sculpted by Jes Goodwin and/or Juan Diaz, sold at Troops choice prices (15 pounds for 10).

In that case expect a mixed female/male sprue with 10 models, sculpted by a recently re-hired Gary Morley, set at Goldsword prices.


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Culler wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call it: many Dark Eldar players will whine over the new codex, citing its problems over the old one.

And I'm going to go ahead and call it: The sun is totally shining somewhere in the world right now.

C'Mon Culler - everyone does that about every Codex that comes out. Twice if it's the Chaos Codex and it's me.

ph34r wrote:It's the GW marketing strategy. Instead of get everyone all pumped before hand, they just say "surprise, here's a redone 12 year old model range with 15 new kits and a codex".

An announcement made less than three months out from release that makes this thread explode to eight pages in less than 24 hours and that doesn't qualify as 'getting everyone all pumped beforehand"?

Nah ph34r's right. Something like this shouldn't appear as a happy-snap of an unreleased White Dwarf. This should be signposted months in advance on their website.

It's not like they sell much DE product anyway, so it's hardly going to impact sales while people 'wait', and, in fact, might improve them as people dash to get any of the few things they like.

Ill see your Codex whining and raise you complaints that DE will fit in the meta to beat mech guard or SW/BA/SM, NOT BOTH, and therefore not be "popular" and labelled a failed codex.

I have $5 says the Talos will look like ASS a la Pumbagore...there will be some fail in a critical unit. Something along the lines of the HE Pheonix Guard helmets. Hopefully this will be in nonessential units.

If the Talos is plastic we've got a better shot of it being a good model.






Oh... right...

AlexHolker wrote:

Enginseer wrote:- Wyches will be both male and female.

I don't get it: does GW not want my money?

No they understand you will buy 2X the models so you can have all MALE wyches...

H.M.B.C.: Oh snap!

AlexHolker wrote:

Oshova wrote:What are you looking forward to the most people?

AlexHolker wrote:An all-female Wych sprue, sculpted by Jes Goodwin and/or Juan Diaz, sold at Troops choice prices (15 pounds for 10).

Nothing.

Why do you want an all-female sprue?

kenshin620 wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:not to derail but - DoW SS = dark eldar and SoB ... co-incidence... drum up popularity?

Didnt that game come out in 2008?

and that game wasnt too well liked anyways

Yes, which is probably why DE were pushed to Late 2010 instead of back in 2008 when they filed for all the patents/copywrights for them.

It was decently-successful, and the modding community has still been keeping up with it (I'm working with a huge mod team as a VA for units in their "DoW 1.5" mod for the Soulstorm expansion). However, compared to Dark Crusade, it was very weak in terms of sales, however, most of the "negative" feedback was due to lack of innovation (adding flying units was weak, and the new mechanics for DE were interesting, but gimmicky at best, Soul-Spells are not necessarily game-breaking, as they are STRONGLY balanced towards other units, which means other races do BETTER then the DE when spells arent being used, and JUST AS GOOD when they are... make DE a harder race to play without much benefit) and the obvious "Sisters bug" that plagued the online META for quite some time (Sisters has an "Unlimited resources" bug that consisted of queing and cancelling their "Icon" upgrade for a listening post, so basically, if you had a post, you could alternate between two keys and have 10000+ of each resource in about 2 minutes, if not less) as well as the fact that literally weeks (about a month or two) after Soulstorm's Launch E3 08 had info about DOW 2, so people decided it might be best to save their money for the new game with Nids in it... and look what codex came out shortly afterwards...

I am quite pleased that GW has finally confirmed Dark Eldar however! I was kinda hoping for an october release date (Maybe some sort of "holloween" tie in) but I am fine to wait until November! I'm hoping the new model range is good, but not required, as I already own a good 20 Raiders, 4 Ravs, Vect, and 3000+ points of other stuff, I'd hate for all that to be a waste due to some new Super-Troop or some crap...

Anywho, I'm looking forward to more info on these guys! "Pray they don't take you alive"-its good to see that they seem to be sticking with the whole torture motif (as opposed to the rumors of GW making them more, "tween-friendly"!)

@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

And cuz i don't wanna paint little toy soldiers in thongs... *shrug*

New Codex, new models. Now sensibly, I'm not dropping more than what it takes to buy the new codex and maybe 1 new squad which will likely be Wyches. That's a nice benefit for us Vet DE players. I have more than enough models to find the strengths and weakness' that will come with new rules. I still have a modified Raider I have to finish yet and 60 warriors on sprue.

juraigamer wrote:Dark eldar are no longer safe from updates... update your relevant images!



Need time with photoshop...

Heehee, I made that.

As well as this one:

Note that the article reads that he told Rob to look at the back page. This suggests the it is the back page of white dwarf.
The back page of white dwarf is always a teaser for next month.
That would mean models to be seen in Novembers edition not Octobers (if that pic remains as the back page).

So : Pics November, release December.

Possible Advance Orders late November.

ceorron wrote:Note that the article reads that he told Rob to look at the back page. This suggests the it is the back page of white dwarf.
The back page of white dwarf is always a teaser for next month.
That would mean models to be seen in Novembers edition not Octobers (if that pic remains as the back page).

So : Pics November, release December.

Possible Advance Orders late November.

I don't really keep up with White dwarf (its bad) but I don't think this months white dwarf is out yet. Or it is white dwarf for October so it is still November I dont see where your getting December from.

ceorron wrote:Note that the article reads that he told Rob to look at the back page. This suggests the it is the back page of white dwarf.
The back page of white dwarf is always a teaser for next month.
That would mean models to be seen in Novembers edition not Octobers (if that pic remains as the back page).

So : Pics November, release December.

Possible Advance Orders late November.

Only December is hardly ever a release month, instead they toss out painting sets and other deals.

the dark eldar need redoing like, only having about 5 good figures in a range damages greatly.

BrookM wrote:

ceorron wrote:Note that the article reads that he told Rob to look at the back page. This suggests the it is the back page of white dwarf.
The back page of white dwarf is always a teaser for next month.
That would mean models to be seen in Novembers edition not Octobers (if that pic remains as the back page).

So : Pics November, release December.

Possible Advance Orders late November.

Only December is hardly ever a release month, instead they toss out painting sets and other deals.

I've crossed my fingers for more Realm of Battle panels. That would be cool!

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

So? There's a unit called Howling Banshees which consists of both male and female members despite 'banshee' being more closely associated with women than men.

bhsman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

So? There's a unit called Howling Banshees which consists of both male and female members despite 'banshee' being more closely associated with women than men.

Which is also dumb. Good catch!

Minies confirmed for UK Games Day - In only a weeks time.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=11500009a

bhsman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

So? There's a unit called Howling Banshees which consists of both male and female members despite 'banshee' being more closely associated with women than men.

There are men Howling Banshees? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

Once upon a time:



While they have Male Succubi (which is mythologically wrong) they also have female Incubi (same error)

In the grimdark future of the 41st millenium, there is only war (no gender roles, which is why I see "Sisters" of battle becoming the "Holy forces" of the imperium ((Battle-nuns and Battle-monks)) see the 40k MMO classes for details)

YES ! finaly!

I was hoping for the new codec to come out since the day I first bought the old dark eldar codex!

Ren
Your spoiler should read buy the new codex!
Those stats might be obsolete now anyways

bhsman wrote:Why do you want an all-female sprue?

Because I have no use for male Wych models. I wanted to use the female Wych models as the basis for conversions, but I'm not going to do that if they're effectively twice as expensive.

Also, I want GW to finally release an all-female plastic kit, and I want it to be successful so that they'd be willing to do so in the future. The Imperial Guard are supposed to have entire regiments of female soldiers (like the former Valhallan 296th), yet every plastic model is male.

pondering the price of plane tickets to the UK

puma713 wrote:There are men Howling Banshees? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

There are Stormravens? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

AlexHolker wrote:Because I have no use for male Wych models. I wanted to use the female Wych models as the basis for conversions, but I'm not going to do that if they're effectively twice as expensive.

Also, I want GW to finally release an all-female plastic kit, and I want it to be successful so that they'd be willing to do so in the future. The Imperial Guard are supposed to have entire regiments of female soldiers (like the former Valhallan 296th), yet every plastic model is male.

So what you're saying is that you want an army of half-naked women?

Stormravens are produced and sold to the imperium by Wonderwoman OBVIOUSLY.

You're seriously going to argue gender roles when Slaanesh is remotely involved?

Sarnath666 wrote:Stormravens are produced and sold to the imperium by Wonderwoman OBVIOUSLY.

bhsman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

So? There's a unit called Howling Banshees which consists of both male and female members despite 'banshee' being more closely associated with women than men.

The Irish/Scottish mythological creature, "Baen-Sidhe", is unequivocally female (Baen for "woman", Sidhe being a term for burial mounds-- representing a fairy woman who keened the death of important persons, and whose cry foretold death). Regardless of the fluff saying both males and females join the Ekdar Banshees, however, both of them take on a female identity and wear female-looking armor.

So male banshees are transvestites.

Regardless, I wouldn't want to paint a male wych's thong myself. Or own the model. Or... see one. Kinda like I'm currently in Inquisitorial queue for mind-scrubbing after seeing a... unique... daemonette on steed conversion. I DO want to see their new walker that's been talked about...

Modquisition on. Lets get this thread back on track AND NOT VIOLATIVE OF DAKKA RULE #1, thank you or it will be closed, and the offenders violated.

ceorron wrote:Minies confirmed for UK Games Day - In only a weeks time.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=11500009a

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeek!!!1!

bhsman wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Oshova wrote:What are you looking forward to the most people?

AlexHolker wrote:An all-female Wych sprue, sculpted by Jes Goodwin and/or Juan Diaz, sold at Troops choice prices (15 pounds for 10).

Nothing.

Why do you want an all-female sprue?

Looky here guy, if the idea of painting a bunch of tiny plastic elf boobs doesn't get your engine running then I think you just don't "get" Warhammer.

Melissia wrote:

bhsman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:@bsman
'Cause they're called 'Wyches', maybe, and are the 40K analogue of Dark Elf Witches, who are all female as well.

So? There's a unit called Howling Banshees which consists of both male and female members despite 'banshee' being more closely associated with women than men.

The Irish/Scottish mythological creature, "Baen-Sidhe", is unequivocally female (Baen for "woman", Sidhe being a term for burial mounds-- representing a fairy woman who keened the death of important persons, and whose cry foretold death).

Minor nit picky correction: Woman is spelt Bean (pronounced Ban) and Sídhe isn't really anything to do with burial mounds, but more a term for fairies and magic. (Draíocht is the actual word for magic, but you get what I mean.)
But yeah, probably everyone knows that anyhow.

If people want an all female kit buy those new terrible deamonettes ; ) ....

I don't have a problem with male Wyches, personally I think it is their name that should change. They are a cult of "space gladiators" I don't know about you guys but I think men whe I think of gladiators, lets just pray for less banana hammocks and better models in general.

@Ren
You do realize that Sphess mharines are monks right?

ceorron wrote:Minies confirmed for UK Games Day - In only a weeks time.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=11500009a

Actually a week and 5 days, or 276 hours from this point.

I'm counting down the hours!!

I just find it funny that both of the runnung jokes of nerd-dom, Dark Eldar and Duke Nukem Forever, have been announced within a month of each other

It's the end of nerd kind as we know it!

Nerf_IG wrote:Looky here guy, if the idea of painting a bunch of tiny plastic elf boobs doesn't get your engine running then I think you just don't "get" Warhammer.

I guess what I'm saying is that for the money he's willing to spend he could just go to a strip bar instead.

In any case, I'm looking forward to Gamesday. I probably won't be picking up Dark Eldar as an army, but if they have a cool model/suitable jetbike model I'll be interested.

Red Corsair wrote:If people want an all female kit buy those new terrible deamonettes ; ) ....
?

If you can't tell if something is a male or female, all creatures have male genitalia until proven female

It appears our first look at some of the new minis will be from photos taken at UK Games Day unless something leaks out beforehand. Personally, I still don't "hate' the old Dark Eldar models, but I'm sure the new ones will be miles above the old ones if for no other reason than Jes Goodwin supposedly designed them.

GW lore is based on history and mythology, it doesn't copy it exactly. Thankfully so or it wouldn't have that Warhammer twist to it. So the older Dark Eldar Wyches had male and female models and in Eldar lore GW has said that "most Howling Banshees" are female. I wouldn't infer anything else from that or the lack of male Howling Banshee models.

Dark Eldar minis at UK Games Day. Wow, they still do previews there, however brief the lead-time at the UK event. No previews at US Games Day for a couple years now, even on items that were already announced and no more product seminars on main product line GW products like they did for many years until fairly recently. They even canceled the pre-announced Space Hulk preview at Games Day Germany last year at the last minute, so the UK Games Day may be the only one left with any real previews at all.

As for some of the lore from which Eldar and Dark Eldar are derived: Far-Sídhe, male elf, Ban-Sídhe, female elf. In later times Ban-Sídhe got corrupted to Banshee and spirit lore from its original elf related meanings. Sídhe is pronounced, "shee". Some ancient people of the Isles, not knowing from whence the even more ancient burial mounds originated, believed them to have elves (Sídhe) living in them, also known as "fairy mounds", the Sídhe having been the mythological inhabitants of the British Isles before Celts migrated there from the Iberian peninsula. They also believed most of the Sídhe were gone because they had sailed west to parts unknown. Sound familiar? Tolkien based much of his Elf lore on the ancient Celtic mythology and so did GW. Methinks Far-Sídhe (Farshee) was the inspiration for the Eldar "Farseer" title too.

I thought that, given the thongs, Wyches was a corruption of the word Wedgies, but I could be mistaken.

It might be cool if the Wych cult emphasises the gladiatorial aspect more imho.
Some possibilities with gear and nets and accoutrements of a distinctly non sado-masochistic flavour.

but that is just my preference, with respect to others' predilictions.

Why does a real-world myth have to impose limits upon a made-up space race?

The names for the units are obviously Imperium identification names applied to them.
The Dark Eldar, if they existed, would not have the same myth base as the Imperium.

Any argument that there cannot be male Wyches or Banshees is a fail.
As does the "mis-application" of the succubus and incubus names.

I am sure that the fictional Dark Eldar have their own non-gender specific name for each type of troop.

Nice folklore info Brass
Saxon and Norse I believe also have elflore

it doesn't impose limits, but is the springboard from whence the elven races in GW did a half pike onto the gaming table.
So is just interesting background and I am gonna shut up know before the Hounds of Frazz do harry me to Hades.

Well, I'm already going over my expenses for the next two months and trying to find a spare hundred dollars or so to start a DE army. Of course, that is assuming the models are sweet looking. I might even break the bank and buy a new White Dwarf in Nov.

The pseudo-gladatorial looking weapons on some of the old Wyches were definitely interesting and set them apart from other 40K models. Has anyone seen any indication of something like that in the new Dark Eldar range?

My new army for definate!!! i hope the models live up to everyones expectations the DE deserve it after 12 long years when i stopped doing the hobby they had just come out and now i have taken the hobby up again there back

bhsman wrote:I guess what I'm saying is that for the money he's willing to spend he could just go to a strip bar instead.

My hopes that one of GW's greatest sculptors had created a plastic kit suitable for my purposes (which will involve adding more clothing with green stuff anyway) are not indicative that I'm creating the army for sexual pleasure, no more than my previous three all-male armies are evidence of latent homosexuality. So kindly listen to Frazzled's instructions and drop it.

I hate when people do that. Assume that all people who paint female models are pervy guys. It's just set theory. Perhaps all hetrosexual pervy male model painters paint female models. Even if that were the case that does not imply that all guys who paint female models are pervy.

On topic though I can't wait to see these models. DEs will probably be my next army. Always liked the idea of them, but not the look. Played them proxy a couple times and it's a pretty tricky army to get right under the current codex.

bhsman wrote:

puma713 wrote:There are men Howling Banshees? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

There are Stormravens? Where, in the lore? Because there are no models to support that.

Right. So there's no such thing as a Doom of Malantai, a Swarmlord, a Tyrannofex, a Stormraven, a librarian dreadnought. . .should I go on?

Sensitive much? It was an actual question. I play Eldar, but I believe the lore saying something about it being an all-female temple, but I didn't remember. Hence the question, "Where, in the lore?"

You stated that there are men Howling Banshees with such conviction that I was sure you'd have an answer as to where you came up with your conclusion.


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BrassScorpion wrote: in Eldar lore GW has said that "most Howling Banshees" are female. I wouldn't infer anything else from that or the lack of male Howling Banshee models.

Thanks, BrassScorpion. I didn't remember either way.

GW says there are male and female banshees and wyches... they are the gods of their universe. Accept their will. Pretty please.

Dark Eldar really deserve this. I don't think GW will them suck. They know they only have this one shot to redeem themselves on them.

Path of the Warrior has male Banshees. THey simply wear feminine masks and clothes, as that is part of the Path they are on.

I'm looking forward to a non-marine army!!

THey simply wear feminine masks and clothes, as that is part of the Path they are on.

Perhaps, perhaps not. That's inferring a lot from very little. There may be no male looking Banshee models simply because "most Banshees are female" and GW wanted to have one unique, all female set of models for the army. Some people are extrapolating and presuming an awful lot from very little. The bottom line is, the books with the text in them are a product and so are the models. Trying to squeeze the two together for some inviolable "hard reality" gets ridiculous and breaks the geek-meter pretty quickly.

It's also taking this way off-topic.

So who's going to UK Games Day that wasn't before just because you'll get an early glimpse of the new Dark Eldar? Are most of the "I'm buying the new ones" posts here coming from people with existing Dark Eldar armies or people looking to start one strictly with the new models for the first time?

Lets talk more about why certain genders shouldn't be in certain units its really interesting and not weird at all

Fizzics wrote:I'm looking forward to a non-marine army!!

True. I didn't care for the tyranid. I already play a Marine chapter, and IG (while nice) is just another Imperium codex, really. Dark Eldar should be fun.

Kroothawk wrote:The new Dark Eldar will be on display at GD Germany, which is 17th October (or a week after 10th October ).
Confirmed by the German version of the posted official announcement.

Sweet, so we might get an idea of the rules by then, if not sooner! :-D

I think that the male-female and mythology argues are out of place.

I don't remember where I read this, maybe an old codex or rulebook, but AFAIK Eldar do not give the same weight to the gender of the person as we do. IIRC the gender was considered just another feature like the colour of the eyes or hair.

About mythology, well, I think that anyone has ever thought that the Artic Troops of Valhalla were vikings, right? GW only uses the names they think they are the coolest. Even in the translations, the Sybarite of a DE warrior unit is called "Alastor" in the old Spanish codex. Alastor can be a lot of things in different myths. So what? They are just cool names.

However, I must say that all the info you guys are giving about myths is very interesting. Not all the world is Irish (even if you think they should xD), so things that are obvious for many of you, are in fact quite cryptic for many of us.

Heck, while I was starting to read Gaunt's Ghosts novels in Spanish I needed a lot of time to figure out what the characters actually meant in english with their use of "Feth" and "Gak".


On the main topic, I'm starting to worry. Two official comments about new DE, and it's all about minis. I know that publishing a new miniature range for a 12 years old codex would be stupid, but we are talking about GW. They aren't logic's best friends. Codexes do not age like whiskey or wine :S

So he can get all horney over his miniatures, I presume.

Lets get ready to cheer!

Dark eldar are sounding pretty nifty.

It will be so funny if they only produce the minis and no new codex
I would pee myself laughing.

c'mon! you'd have to see the funny side.


Before nuking Nottingham

It would be pretty hilarious to be honest.

Yeah, I thought it was funny just mentioning it.

Anyways, just the minis have me excited.

BrassScorpion wrote:

So who's going to UK Games Day that wasn't before just because you'll get an early glimpse of the new Dark Eldar? Are most of the "I'm buying the new ones" posts here coming from people with existing Dark Eldar armies or people looking to start one strictly with the new models for the first time?

I'll be starting Dark Eldar for the first time, however, way back when in 2nd edition when the original DE rumors were about, I was stoked as I played Eldar at the time, both Craftworld and some exodite stuff I converted. As with many others, I was really disappointed in the model range and started a new marine army with the multi pose plastics that were released at the start of 3rd. So for me, this is a long time coming and something that has me really excited. I just really hope I'm not let down again, I'm sure I won't with Jes Goodwin overseeing things and Phil Kelly having written the codex, but I just need to see some models, even a few, just to get me 100% on board to throw down for a 2k point army. If they are as great as I hope, I will most certainly pre-order a full army with codex no questions asked.

I don't think I'll play Dark Eldar regardless. I don't have a very strong desire to play such an overtly evil faction. Yes, I know, no good guys in 40k, but I think Dark Eldar go a bit beyond that, and that's often what attracts people to them.

Da Boss wrote:Minor nit picky correction: Woman is spelt Bean (pronounced Ban) and Sídhe isn't really anything to do with burial mounds, but more a term for fairies and magic. (Draíocht is the actual word for magic, but you get what I mean.)
But yeah, probably everyone knows that anyhow.

Your nitpicking is done without broader knowledge, and thus incorrect It depends on which dialect you use.

Irish has it "Baen Sidhe", while Scottish has it "Bean Shith". "Sidhe" refers to the Aos Si/Aes Sídhe again depending on which dialect you want to use, which are found to have been connected with ancient burial mounds.



edit: And no, it doesn't really matter to the Eldar. The Eldar "Banshee" isn't the same as the human mythological creature even if they were linked (Theoretically, one could say they were, if, say, a banshee accidently ended up on Earth...).