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Post by: BigJon
GW has posted a sample list using the new Stormraven model that includes some nice looking shots of
the model. There are also some shots of the Librarian Dreadnought.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a
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Post by: reds8n
work blocked assiting post..
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Post by: AlexHolker
It also confirms the contents of the BA Battleforce, unfortunately:
Two Blood Angels Battleforces form the basis of this army, providing two full Tactical Squads and their Rhino transports, ten Assault Marines and a large squad of the Death Company
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Post by: Osbad
You know, those Stormchickens are growing on me. They're still as ridiculous as heck, but somehow, they are developing a gawky sort of charm...
I can, in my head, imagine them flapping their wings and saying to their dsisgorged progeny "Go, my pretties, go cleanse the nasty heretics, fly, fly....cluck cluck cluck!"
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Post by: plastictrees
Looking good to me. I like the relatively low profile on the hurricane bolters.
I'm looking forward to the years of _hilarious_ pelican/chicken/chibi jokes on Dakka, maybe punctuated by that laughing Ork head just so we know how hilarious they are being.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Prices are 41£, 66$ or 52 €, so about Land Raider/Valkyrie priced as many have predicted,
We don't need the dig, thanks. Here some new pics:
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Post by: Ouze
I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.
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Post by: Osbad
plastictrees wrote:I'm looking forward to the years of _hilarious_ pelican/chicken/chibi jokes on Dakka, maybe punctuated by that laughing Ork head just so we know how hilarious they are being.
Maybe all they need is some Industrial Corridors and Towers to show them off to their best advantage...
Anyone know where I can get me some?
(  )
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
You know, I could handle the Marine-sized helmet on the Venerable Dread. It went against all previous Dread designs, but it wasn't the end of the world. I could even live with the 'skull' head of the Death Company Dread. Who's to say it's a real skull and not just a representation of one? But this?  A bare head Dread? No... just a new level of Ward-ism. Christ I hope the Dreadknight looks better than that... As far as the Chibi-Hawk goes, it has some charm, I'll give it that, but to be hones the kit's greatest boon is the wealth of heavy weapons it comes with. That's a lot of guns. But for the love of all that is holy - will someone take a photo of it from the rear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I'm glad the Battleforce is as I suspected it would be, and not as I'd feared it'd be. 5 Assault, 5 DC, 10 Tac and a Rhino. No Scouts. *phew*
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Post by: Kroothawk
Look 4 posts above you.
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Post by: Corrode
What exactly is upsetting you about that? It's a death mask, which have become more prominent in the fluff recently. Seems pretty sound to me.
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Post by: Commander Endova
H.B.M.C. wrote:A bare head Dread? No... just a new level of Ward-ism.
Actually, I think that's a death mask right there. It looks more gold than flesh to me, not to mention the bright, glowing eyes. Anyway, a death mask would fit with BA aesthetics. Also, how the hell is this Ward-ism? I'm not a fan of the guy, but he's a writer, not a sculptor, no?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kroothawk wrote:Look 4 posts above you.
That's the front.
Unless you're talking about the post you quoted, in which case - are we at all surprised?
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Post by: Gargskull
It really doesn't look any better then previous pictures, a shame.
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Post by: ryanstartalker
It seems the bits composition in the librarian dread box doesn't include any Grey Knights bits...
So if the previous rumors are remotely right... Will there be new dread bits just for GK?
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Post by: LakotaWolf
so is the S.S. KFC just a BA toy
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Post by: AlexHolker
I always assumed it was just an in-built reliquary, holding the interred Space Marine's helmet in a niche above the sarcophagus. Actually having the Space Marine's head inside that helmet (as the Dreadnought Psychic Hood suggests) is just stupid.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Commander Endova wrote:Actually, I think that's a death mask right there. It looks more gold than flesh to me, not to mention the bright, glowing eyes. Anyway, a death mask would fit with BA aesthetics.
If it's a Deathmask, then ok. Just looks like flesh to me. And 'glowing eyes' isn't exactly unheard of when it comes to Librarians.
Commander Endova wrote:Also, how the hell is this Ward-ism? I'm not a fan of the guy, but he's a writer, not a sculptor, no?
Wardism
ward·ism
[ wawrd-iz- uhm]
-noun
A type of style that can be applied to almost any object to signify a level of absurdism usually only possible when created via the hands of Matt Ward.
Examples:
"My army venerates Roboute Guilliman as their spiritual liege!"
"Derp! That is such a Ward-ism!"
—Related forms
Ward·esque, noun
Ward·is·tic, adjective
Word Origin & History
Wardism
2008, from GW. Said to have been coined at the after the 2008 release of Codex Space Marines. A vague term that later become more generally accpeted around the time of the Blood Angel Codex release.
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Post by: HudsonD
I take it this is a frag cannon ?
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Post by: Ehsteve
Holy crap it's more expensive than a Land Raider.
Still doesn't do anything for me. The indignity to my PAGK leaving that vehicle would be too much.
The BA dreadnought however is an epic kit, for so little above the venerable kit, you get options for 3 different dead types and awesome blood talons and an awesome force weapon.
It might well balance out my dislike for the storm raven, and the death mask doesn't really bother me that much, I mean at least you get some awesome psychic hood action going on.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
HudsonD wrote:I take it this is a frag cannon ?
Yes. I'm trying to figure out why it has an exposed ammunition link. I mean, even the Assault Cannon/Heavy Bolter ones don't have a chain of rounds hanging there. That's so... Orky. Also, let's do a quick count: I'd like a show of hands from those who use the Frag Cannon? How 'bout the Magna-Grapple?
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Post by: KOS
ok... 50 € for a Chibi-hawk.... excellent.
Now I'm going to buy some and make an army based on those birds.... the Chicken Marines!
EDIT
By the way those images are a proof that the leaking happened some months ago was right. Luckily they modified the horrible Eldar like turret on top.
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Post by: Ehsteve
H.B.M.C. wrote:HudsonD wrote:I take it this is a frag cannon ?
Yes. I'm trying to figure out why it has an exposed ammunition link. I mean, even the Assault Cannon/Heavy Bolter ones don't have a chain of rounds hanging there. That's so... Orky.
Exposed cabling, fuel lines etc, what will one extra exposed vital component mean in the world of 40k?
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Post by: Cnevets
It just looks like a Rhino and a Valkyrie had a baby w/ down syndrome -_-
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Post by: niallkissick
I am quite happy with the dreadnought kit, i will definitely be getting one of those bad boys!
And like some of the rest of you, the flying bird thing is growing on me!
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Post by: abatha
im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
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Post by: niallkissick
abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
Yes, yes it does look feething awesome!!! I can't wait!
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Post by: Superscope
Great.. Plastic furioso... Just as i finished my ven dread + forge world dread claws conversion.. Oh well..
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Post by: Listrel
I'm thinking the the death company version with some simple conversion work might make a very good looking iron clad hmmmmmmmm.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Commander Endova wrote:Actually, I think that's a death mask right there. It looks more gold than flesh to me, not to mention the bright, glowing eyes. Anyway, a death mask would fit with BA aesthetics.
If it's a Deathmask, then ok. Just looks like flesh to me. And 'glowing eyes' isn't exactly unheard of when it comes to Librarians.
It looks more like gold to me also.
Maybe it's just that it's a really pale gold color that's throwing you off?
I am pretty damned impressed with that Dreadnought kit though. Kind of thrown off by the force weapon though. Is it meant to be a spring loaded harpoon of doom?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's got a twin-linked grappling hook and a weapon called a 'Bloodfist', so would that be such a stretch?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Void whale hunting Dreadnought is a go!
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
HEY!! he stole the Sub-Woofer from my noise marines 
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Post by: Acardia
Yup I'm getting both of those kits, just finished my libby dread conversion, so likely get the storm raven finished first.
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Post by: Ratius
The SR is definetly growing on me but 50+ squid? Jaysus.
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Post by: warboss
$66 for an ugly model? they priced it more than the valk? ughh.. gw sure is making it difficult for me to want to pick one up, even if only for conversion. i'll have to see if all marines get to use it for my deciding factor now that the price tier is higher than i was expecting (LR or valk price). if i can use it with my counts as deathwing in addition to my normal BA, i might. if not, pass.
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Post by: Maelstrom808
As others have said...SR is also growing on me. I looooove the Furioso Kit, pure awesome. The head on the libby looks like either a death mask or just a bust imo. The battle force is pretty lame, as expected. Who uses mostly tac marines in BA lists?
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Post by: Padre
FM Ninja 048 wrote:abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
Very cool indeed - I actually like the look of the frag cannon, though!
I'll definitely be buying those "lightning claw"-style bits to add to my regular dreads for use as Dread CCWs - very cool, and hopefully cheaper than the FW dread claws.
Old mate above out-Bjorns Bjorn! 2 claws?...you could almost say he's "bjorn-again..."
Pade^.
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Post by: Snord
As someone who was guardedly optimistic that the Stormraven would look better once we got some more views of it, I've still got mixed feelings. It's dimensions look okay, and it's less box-like than it first appeared. But the wings look too long, and the configuration gives it a very ungainly appearance from the front - like a duck that's just made a bad landing. And the turret still doesn't quite work. I will definitely get one, but I think it will need some surgery. I reckon I will shorten the wings and replace the turret.
The photo showing 3 of them is definitely photoshopped - they're all weathered exactly the same way.
I really like the Dread - the Librarian version looks great (it's obviously not a bare head - and even if it was it's easily fixed), and the Death Company version is even better.
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Post by: Revarien
Huh... kinda liking it (the stormraven)... good thing too, cause I see the Grey Knights book symbol on the 6th picture on their site for the vehicle
2nd sprue pic... that *is* the GK book symbol, right?
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Post by: SkaerKrow
The Stormraven still looks too much like someone slapped a small fuselage on a dumpster. Glad that other people are enjoying it, though (I'll convert mine out of a scale model kit, if I ever decide to finish my Blood Angels).
That Dreadnaught is a thing of beauty, though.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
ryanstartalker wrote:It seems the bits composition in the librarian dread box doesn't include any Grey Knights bits...
So if the previous rumors are remotely right... Will there be new dread bits just for GK?
maybe this dread knight thing will be replacing regular dreads for GK.
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Post by: Just Dave
I'm actually less keen on the SR than I was in previous leaked pictures. The sprues are good, but it just looks gawd-awful to me. The weaponry and assault ramp looks good, but the turret on top and the rear-wing/tail/thing just looks horrible.
The dreadnought on the other hand looks freakin' awesome! Particularly the Libby version!
Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.
Yeah I noticed that too, as someone just said, they're all weathered in exactly the same way and everything. So GW either photoshops the same model or has a weathering STC...
H.B.M.C. wrote:It's got a twin-linked grappling hook and a weapon called a 'Bloodfist', so would that be such a stretch?
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Post by: MajorTom11
Chibi- hawk go!
*quickly heads over to battle road games to order an sr and 2 dreads  .... And lots of plasticard for the sr too lol*
In all seriousness, it would have been cool if they could have released a new mephiston and corbulo too though....
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Post by: Kanluwen
Just Dave wrote:
Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.
Yeah I noticed that too, as someone just said, they're all weathered in exactly the same way and everything. So GW either photoshops the same model or has a weathering STC...
It likely is the same one, they've got a history of photographing a single display model and then using it as a "repeater" for photos where more than one is needed, but they've only got one painted example.
Less likely is they just repeated the weathering across three models, but...it's not actually that big of a stretch to weather things the same without needing a "weathering STC"
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Post by: Pyronick
Planning on getting the SR and two Dreadnaught kits. Question is... Do you think it's possible to make all 3 versions of the Dreadnaught from two kits? I assume the Deathcompany would be just that. But I wonder if i could magnetise the torso to legs and arms to torso to swap out libby for furioso?
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
I really hope that the SR looks better in the flesh. Its so ungainly it makes the flying brick that is the T-Hawk look like it has sublime mastery of aeronautics...
Also, is it just me or is the quality of some of the 'eavy metal paint jobs becoming truly awful? If they want to sell new and shiny at least make an effort to make it look half-decent.
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Post by: HungryTaz
They've yet to show a picture of the SR that shows how the dreadnaught is going to be 'hung'...
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Post by: Kroothawk
FM Ninja 048 wrote:abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
HEY!! he stole the Sub-Woofer from my noise marines
Now someone must paint this in Scot/Dixie flag colours and build in a sound chip playing "Scotland the Brave"/Dixie-Song 
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Post by: puma713
Those look like the DC dreads from the codex. Wonder if they've been ready for that long and just waiting on the Chibi-hawk to get the green light.
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And is that a new Sicarius-type captain in the second pic? Or has he always been around?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
They've yet to show a picture of the SR that shows how the dreadnaught is going to be 'hung'...
Dreadnoughts are already "hung", that's why the are called Dreadnoughts. But seriously, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. There aren't any pictures of 8 Terminators riding in a Land Raider Crusader or 10 Spaced Marines riding in a Rhino or 20 Ogryns riding in a Stormlord either. I believe a little imagination is required here.
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Post by: Gibbsey
Pyronick wrote:But I wonder if i could magnetise the torso to legs and arms to torso to swap out libby for furioso?
I've been thinking about the same thing... arms should be fine, just the front plate if you can switch them out or not
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Post by: abatha
anyone else notice how the battleforce would be slightly worse value compared to the regular marine one if it were the same price, but its actually 8.50 more.
on your marks, get set.. . .. terrible
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Post by: BrassScorpion
In the USA, the Blood Angels Battleforce saves $32.75 over buying what is in it separately at list price. The regular Marine Battleforce has a larger savings built into it, made even better by the price increase on the individual contents last June 1 while the bundle remains at $90.
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Post by: Lurker
Just looking at the sprues from this thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/336515.page
If you were able to find 2 pairs of legs and 2 paris of arms you could build three dreads from this kit. Correct?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
If you were able to find 2 pairs of legs and 2 paris of arms you could build three dreads from this kit. Correct?
No, because several major essential components of the torso are only supplied once. Only the differing decorated fronts are redundant.  
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Post by: Pyronick
$44.50 for Dreads and $66 for the Storm Raven is actually less then I was expecting to be honest. Granted its because they are all plastic but when you consider the options / upgrades / shiney cool stuff you get in the Dread kit $44.50 seems like a steal. The Storm Raven might be a lil steep on second thought but I need to see how physically comanding it is first before I can make that judgement.
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Post by: Gibbsey
BrassScorpion wrote:No, because several major components of the torso are only supplied once. Only the differing fronts are redundant.
Yep so unless there is a way to magnetize the front your stuck with picking one
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Post by: inzeos
Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.
I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a
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Post by: puma713
abatha wrote:anyone else notice how the battleforce would be slightly worse value compared to the regular marine one if it were the same price, but its actually 8.50 more.
on your marks, get set.. . .. terrible
$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.
Stormraven for $66 is about what I expected. I expected for it to be near the LR price. $44.50 for the Dread is nice. I was wondering if it would be more expensive than the Ironclad. Nice that you get 3 variants out of the box for the same price.
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
Death Company Dread looks really cool! and cant wait to get a storm raven, even if it does not end up as all marines i will still paint one up for my da as it will be cool scenery and the conversion/canibalisation value will be quite good by the look of the sprues.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.
Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy. Death Company Dread looks really cool! and cant wait to get a storm raven, even if it does not end up as all marines i will still paint one up for my da as it will be cool scenery and the conversion/canibalisation value will be quite good by the look of the sprues.
Agreed. I'll do one Stormraven for Grey Knights and maybe one for my custom chapter too. I was thinking of adding some BA only units to my SM army so I could run it as BA once in a while just for the fun of using the BA models, albeit with my own chapter paint scheme. Maybe my DA will get one too because it looks cool.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Cnevets wrote:It just looks like a Rhino and a Valkyrie had a baby w/ down syndrome -_-
Do you hav to try to be this offensive or does it come naturally?
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Post by: puma713
BrassScorpion wrote:$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.
Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.
Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).
It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Hmm, the idea that the contents were "useless" was not explicitly stated in the original post. I thought it was a complaint about price and how much one gets. Guess my Librarian psychic abilities aren't working well today.
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Post by: Regnak
Not really sold to be honest. The heads on the Dreads are way too small. I like the weapon arms but would get these and wack em' on a FW dread. A skull like the one on the FW Chaplin Dread would have worked way better for the Death Company one...
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Post by: CT GAMER
puma713 wrote:
If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house.
Quotes like this make sad panda sad...
I rememebr the good 'ol days when the BA fluff talked about how they had a curse, but that they tried to hide it and function like a codex chapter for the most part with actual tac squads and everything...
It used to be fluff>powergaming.
Sorry panda those days are gone...
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Post by: Gibbsey
BrassScorpion wrote:$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.
Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.
Its a shame they dont have the new dread model in there, or a razorback.
A better battlefore would be something like
Assault Squad
Death Company
Razorback
Furioso Dread
$100 or $110
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Battleforces contain things that people generally use in quantity so they'll maybe buy more than one. That often means they are heavy on Troop choices and basic transports. As one long-time hobbyist I know likes to say, "you can always use more Space Marines". And I've found him to be correct, somewhere along the way you always end up working on more of the little buggers. I've learned that if someone waves more of them under your nose at the right price to snap them up, they'll come in handy and if not you can always trade them and get their value back.
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Post by: puma713
BrassScorpion wrote: I thought it was a complaint about price and how much one gets.
Well that is directly related to how well a gamer can use the contents. It establishes the value of the box and then you determine if the asking price is worth the value.
Just plain mathhammer, yes, the box is worth every penny. But value-wise, I'm not so sure. I've yet to see a Tac squad and rhino heavy BA list. Now, if there was a Razorback instead of a Rhino and 10 assault marines with no Tac Squad, the price would be almost the same but the value ( imo) would be much greater.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Wild, shot in the dark:
It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.
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Post by: Just Dave
God No would a better battleforce include a Razorback. In that case you may as well sell one that includes four and no infantry. Would the existing battleforce does is provide a good set of units that sticks to the background.
puma713 wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.
Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.
Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).
It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.
Personally, although I'm no powergamer, if I was starting BA I'd likely buy at least one of those battleforces. I like Tac squads and I feel they'd do a good job of supporting the assault units and cowering on objectives.
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Post by: puma713
CT GAMER wrote:puma713 wrote:
If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house.
Quotes like this make sad panda sad...
I rememebr the good 'ol days when the BA fluff talked about how they had a curse, but that they tried to hide it and function like a codex chapter for the most part with actual tac squads and everything...
It used to be fluff>powergaming.
Sorry panda those days are gone...
It makes me a powergamer because Assault Squads are the more sound choice than Tactical squads in a fast-moving, assault-oriented army? I enjoy fluff as much as the next person (in fact, a lot of my lists have backstories and fluffy names), but if you give me a unit that can function similarly or better at a cheaper cost, then I'm probably going to field them. It doesn't make me a powergamer. It just makes me a gamer.
Edit: Another thing - just because you take optimized units does not mean you don't appreciate or enjoy fluff. Fluff does not equate to purposefully taking poor lists. If you don't want to take Tac squads, don't take them, but come up with a fluffy reason why not. Don't take Tac squads to be fluffy, build fluff around your other choices. After all, we gamers didn't create the point values and wargear choices - GW did.
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Post by: abatha
inzeos wrote:Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.
I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a
they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?
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Post by: warboss
Kanluwen wrote:
Wild, shot in the dark:
It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.
the helmet and sword are also from the sanguinary guard set. they had a daily article a few months back IIRC about converting heroes and this guy was on of the models in the spotlight. he's not a new character, just a cool kitbash.
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Post by: snake
Go flying brick chicken! Go!
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Post by: warboss
abatha wrote:inzeos wrote:Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.
I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a
they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?
from the very beginning, all marine chapters could use the crusader, albeit in a limited fashion. BTs (and i can't recall if salamanders got it in abundance as they also had a sublist in codex armageddon) could take crusaders as a heavy choice (so 0-3) while other chapters were limited to 0-1 crusaders. i suspect they'll do the same thing here until 6th edition comes out (invariably with a new marine codex with no restrictions on it).
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Post by: deleted20250424
That Captain is the one the featured in the Blood Angels WD issue #363. Page 91, in the Eavy' Metal area. It is just a kitbash of kits.
Personally I'm all over the Dread kit. I have something like 8-9 unassembled Dreads in a box just waiting for this kit. So I'm loving all the extra front plates in the new kit.
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
He is also pictured in the BA codex,pg 66 center. The power weapon is from the DC kit.
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Post by: vaatbak
Cnevets wrote:It just looks like a Rhino and a Valkyrie had a baby w/ down syndrome -_-
Sorry, but I had to do this.
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Post by: MajorTom11
+1, confirm kitbash -
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Post by: Pyronick
I too am the farthest thing away from a Power Gamer. I have a gaming circle of about 4-5 people really and play casual for fun only. That being said I like to own one of each model my codex can use and then every game switch up the list so I play with something different. Had I the option to buy that Battle Force a year ago when I got back into the hobby I would have gladly done it for getting 4 different unit / models in one go rather then buying each one individually *Which I did of course*. It makes a great core of guys to start playing games with that still has some good BA fluff aka Death Company / Assault marines.
The way I see it Battle Forces are made to do two things, get new players into the game, and help support older players with a boost of models for good price. I don't typically see them as being hey this is the most powerful unit go buy 3 of these boxes for your latest Tourney Spam.
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Post by: puma713
Pyronick wrote:I too am the farthest thing away from a Power Gamer. I have a gaming circle of about 4-5 people really and play casual for fun only. That being said I like to own one of each model my codex can use and then every game switch up the list so I play with something different. Had I the option to buy that Battle Force a year ago when I got back into the hobby I would have gladly done it for getting 4 different unit / models in one go rather then buying each one individually *Which I did of course*. It makes a great core of guys to start playing games with that still has some good BA fluff aka Death Company / Assault marines.
The way I see it Battle Forces are made to do two things, get new players into the game, and help support older players with a boost of models for good price. I don't typically see them as being hey this is the most powerful unit go buy 3 of these boxes for your latest Tourney Spam.
Yeah, I suppose it is a sound financial model. When the new player buys a battleforce, realizes he's only going to really use a couple units out of it after playing a few games and then realizes he has to go buy more boxes to actually field the army he wants, then GW wins.
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Post by: Pyronick
Why do you only field a few units there? Am I truely the only person who plays with Death company and 1 Tac squad? I don't use them every single game but a little variety never hurts either. Yawnfest 2011 over at the 4 Assault squad guys table.
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
warboss wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Wild, shot in the dark:
It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.
the helmet and sword are also from the sanguinary guard set. they had a daily article a few months back IIRC about converting heroes and this guy was on of the models in the spotlight. he's not a new character, just a cool kitbash.
cool, ill have to see if i can dig out the article thanks.
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Post by: puma713
Pyronick wrote:Why do you only field a few units there? Am I truely the only person who plays with Death company and 1 Tac squad? I don't use them every single game but a little variety never hurts either. Yawnfest 2011 over at the 4 Assault squad guys table.
Dunno, I guess I'm bitter about battleforces. I don't even play Blood Angels.
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Post by: Maurin
Loving the dread kit. Still can't stand the Stormraven. Flying brick ftl
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Still not a chickenhawk fan. At $66 US, though, it's probably the best bargain of the lot. The one that's priced closest to what it's worth, at least.
They want $44.50 for a plastic dread kit? Ridiculous. IMO, you've got to buy it online for 20% off just to pay what it's worth. Even then, it might still be a bit overpriced. Of course, that's par for the course with most of their models, IMO. Especially the regular dreads.
Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
Marneus or the classic Njal for $16.50? Please. I'd insert a punch-line, but I'm fairly certain that *IS* the punch-line. Feels like punch, at the very least!
About the only positive thing I can say about any of the Advance Order items is that, at least, the Furioso Dread seems to come with a lot of extra bits for $1.50 more than the cost of a regular Dread. You could probably use the extra bits to accessorize a few other regular Dread kits to get a horde of varying BA Dreads.
Eric
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Post by: bhsman
Stormraven looks fine, and at worst you can replace the top turret and the 'cover' for it looks like it's separate, ie optional.
EDIT: MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
Are you serious?
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Post by: Xca|iber
Anyone notice the reference to a "modified Magna-grapple" in GW's product description of the Stormraven?
Any idea what they're talking about?
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Post by: Gibbsey
Xca|iber wrote:Anyone notice the reference to a "modified Magna-grapple" in GW's product description of the Stormraven?
Any idea what they're talking about?
Dread carrying part i assume
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Post by: Darknite
My FLGS is expecting a Black Box any day and I pre-ordered a Stormraven and Furioso now that the prices and release dates are up.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
A 360-degree view of the Stormraven just went up on the GW website. Here's today's What's New Today link. It's a piece of Thunderhawk with the sort-of tail of the F-4 Phantom and a little of the famous "Flying Boxcar" maybe thrown in. I like it well enough.
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Post by: HellRestaurant
Anyone noticed the comment Matt Ward posted at the very bottom of the Storm Raven page?
"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first fought them with your Blood Angels? Well be prepared to see it again because nothing inspires terror quite like this vehicle - it's a flying red fist of death that's going to punch their army until it begs for mercy. There is something extremely satisfying when you transport your most devasting unit (and potentially a Dreadnought) across the table and right into the face of the enemy army. And after you unleash the troops? Well, you can just blast chunks out their tanks and monsters with Bloodstrike Missiles until there's nothing left to blow up."
I guess he can't contain his inner fanboy.
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Post by: Bloodwin
MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
You do realise this is a very old classic model they've reissued? I'm curious about the timing though as the first thing I thought when I saw the Furioso sprue was to kit bash a Bjorn. With the metal one being reissued it's cheaper to buy him on his own, which is kinda nice. I am also suspicious of the number of old models getting reissued that were done by Jes. I love his work but it looks a bit sus. I will be getting Bjorn at some point as I am going to strip my old metal dreadnought I did for a Death Co army back in the 90s. Hulking great metal models feel great.
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Post by: Lycaeus Wrex
The Stormraven would look much better if modellers simply didn't stick on either the gun turret or the weird vent thing that sits behind the turret. Those two additions make the Stormraven look just too tall, remove them and it suddenly falls into how you would expect it to look; still boxy, but not a flying brick.
L. Wrex
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first fought them with your Blood Angels? Well be prepared to see it again because nothing inspires terror quite like this vehicle - it's a flying red fist of death that's going to punch their army until it begs for mercy. There is something extremely satisfying when you transport your most devasting unit (and potentially a Dreadnought) across the table and right into the face of the enemy army. And after you unleash the troops? Well, you can just blast chunks out their tanks and monsters with Bloodstrike Missiles until there's nothing left to blow up."
Somewhere someone is masturbating to that...
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Post by: Kroothawk
HellRestaurant wrote:"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first showed him the leaked Storm Raven pic? Well be prepared to see it again because the finished model is still ugly!"
Fixed
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Post by: Pyronick
SlaveToDorkness wrote:"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first fought them with your Blood Angels? Well be prepared to see it again because nothing inspires terror quite like this vehicle - it's a flying red fist of death that's going to punch their army until it begs for mercy. There is something extremely satisfying when you transport your most devasting unit (and potentially a Dreadnought) across the table and right into the face of the enemy army. And after you unleash the troops? Well, you can just blast chunks out their tanks and monsters with Bloodstrike Missiles until there's nothing left to blow up."
Somewhere someone is masturbating to that...
You caught me.... Blood Angels for LIFE!
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Post by: fett14622
The Dread looks awesome
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
Kroothawk wrote:HellRestaurant wrote:"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first showed him the leaked Storm Raven pic? Well be prepared to see it again because the finished model is still ugly!"
Fixed
WIN!
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Post by: Exopheric
Kroothawk wrote:HellRestaurant wrote:"Remember the terrified look on your opponent's face when you first showed him the leaked Storm Raven pic? Well be prepared to see it again because the finished model is still ugly!"
Fixed
Yeah. Seems that first picture really was the best angle. It looks... less good from all the others; in fact it doesn't even look like a coherent vehicle, more like a bunch of random shapes glued to a Land Raider. I can scratchbuild a more pleasing shape, and will be.
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Post by: MajorTom11
There is a 360 on GW's site, we can finally see the 'ass'... nothing to write home about unfortunately...
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Post by: Pyronick
MajorTom11 wrote:There is a 360 on GW's site, we can finally see the 'ass'... nothing to write home about unfortunately...
I can't see it at work will have to wait till later tonight. Does it have a hookup assembly or anything at least trying to represent it?
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Post by: warboss
MajorTom11 wrote:There is a 360 on GW's site, we can finally see the 'ass'... nothing to write home about unfortunately...
i can't get the flash to load. it just stays stuck blank with "loading one more item" on the menu bar at the bottom of the screen.
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
Pyronick wrote:MajorTom11 wrote:There is a 360 on GW's site, we can finally see the 'ass'... nothing to write home about unfortunately...
I can't see it at work will have to wait till later tonight. Does it have a hookup assembly or anything at least trying to represent it?
It's at a very slight angle, you can't see top of the underside, but there may be something there
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Post by: warboss
thanks for the pic! wow, it's just as ugly from the back as that first leaked pic...
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Post by: CT GAMER
HellRestaurant wrote:
I guess he can't contain his inner fanboy.
If your boss asked you to say a few words about an upcoming product that was gonna be put in print are you telling me you would do anything but the same?
Is he supposed to make fun of it?
Claim he would never field it?
If we are gonna nerdrage and rant, at least put some thought behind it...
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Post by: Soladrin
God, this makes me glad I started playing hordes, GW has really lost it.
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Post by: shrike
Shrike remains unconvinced by the stormpelican/stormfish- type thing. It has the areodynamics of a brick, there's no way 5 marines (let alone 10) can fit in that, the wierd massive vent shadowing the turret is too big and awkward (heh heh heh- ward) and I fail to see how a dread can hang onto the thing based on those pics. The libby dread...meh. I hoped for better.
the DC dread? That's gonna be my raven guard chaplain dread...
It'll take a bit of plasticard, but I'm getting two of the stormravens, maybe even 3.
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Post by: Pyronick
Well from what I can see there is no rig for hooking up the Dreadnaught, I guess this was to be expected really. However I think I will stick a few of my big heavy rare earth magnets to the top of dread and the bot of the hatch there and ghetto rig my own lil harness.
Does anybody know if this kit is supplied with a flying base? I see it with a valk base in some pics, but the sprue pics show no presence of one.
TBH, Flyers as a whole tend to kind of confuse me in the gaming aspect. I always have trouble figuring out how line of sight or cover would work for my brothers Valk. I assume this will play practically the same way.
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Post by: CT GAMER
shrike wrote:. It has the areodynamics of a brick, there's no way 5 marines (let alone 10) can fit in that
You just described EVERY SM vehicle in the 40K universe...
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Post by: shrike
5 marines can fit in a rhino. This thing is just overstepped the "marines are contorionists" line.
rhino- looks like 5 can comftably fit.
razor- see above.
land raider- 10 marines can comftably fit.
this? 5 marines can squish in.
Oh, and most SM vehicles don't need to be aerodynamic. The TH has enough engines and stuff to keep it in the air IMO.
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Post by: CT GAMER
shrike wrote:5 marines can fit in a rhino. This thing is just overstepped the "marines are contorionists" line.
rhino- looks like 5 can comftably fit.
razor- see above.
land raider- 10 marines can comftably fit.
this? 5 marines can squish in.
Oh, and most SM vehicles don't need to be aerodynamic. The TH has enough engines and stuff to keep it in the air IMO.
The Stormraven shares the same aesthetics as all marine vehicles regardless of how you want to rationalize your stance...
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Post by: fox40
that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.
as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.
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Post by: whoadirty
abatha wrote:
they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?
I'm just getting back into the game - are the rules for the Storm Raven in the BA codex?
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Post by: Gibbsey
whoadirty wrote:abatha wrote:
they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?
I'm just getting back into the game - are the rules for the Storm Raven in the BA codex?
yep
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Post by: Kroothawk
CT GAMER wrote:shrike wrote:5 marines can fit in a rhino. This thing is just overstepped the "marines are contorionists" line.
rhino- looks like 5 can comftably fit.
razor- see above.
land raider- 10 marines can comftably fit.
this? 5 marines can squish in.
Oh, and most SM vehicles don't need to be aerodynamic. The TH has enough engines and stuff to keep it in the air IMO.
The Stormraven shares the same aesthetics as all marine vehicles regardless of how you want to rationalize your stance...
+1.
And I guess the body has EXACT Land Raider body size (sans tracks of course)
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Post by: GalaxyGames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tee9XodZou8
OFFICIAL GW YTUBE VIDEO ON THE RELEASES.
OP post it in your post?
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Post by: Emperors_Champion
Over all I'm disappointed! 
Agree with the Stormraven being too stubby but I can live with that, I'll be getting at least one for sure. (Pre-ordered)
The Dreads....well, don't really know what to say? Feels like a bit of a cop-out really. They could of done so much more with the Librarian variant. The DC one looks like my Chaplain one that I'm working on and the Frag Cannon looks like a total rip from Khador!
I'm probably get the Dread box anyway cause I always need more right-hand fists and the icons/bits are usually nice. Not sure which variant I'll do though. 
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Post by: MajorTom11
fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.
as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.
People are willing to forgive a lot if they think it looks cool. Those that do or don't like it don't need to justify themselves either way as far as their attempts to articulate what the problem is. For me, your examples are bad, as they as none of them are meant to be in-atmostphere aircraft. Would a land-speeder fly either? No... but it's sillouette looks balanced evenly distributed, hopefully if you agree on that point I think you will see what people really mean when they say 'aerodynamic' in this context. It's just a question of visual balance and opinions thereof.
As to the back section, IMO -
A you couldnt fit a dread under there anyways, the tail strut is too big
B there are no gubbins or servos visible, and if they are there, they are going to be a little too atrophied for my personal tastes.
Still. Kit is ordered, I look forward to working on it, despite my criticisms, I think it will be fantastic source material to convert and paint up!
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Post by: Emperors_Champion
whoadirty wrote:
I'm just getting back into the game - are the rules for the Storm Raven in the BA codex?
Yeah they're in there!
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Post by: Flashman
Quite like the Librarian Dreadnought, but it's still a daft idea. The rest is complete "Meh" to me, but totally wrapped up in Fantasy at the moment so ho hum.
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Post by: bhsman
CT GAMER wrote:If we are gonna nerdrage and rant, at least put some thought behind it...
I don't think you 'get' Dakka.
I wonder if Grey Knights'll have access to a Psycannon turret.
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Post by: Alpharius
shrike wrote:Shrike remains unconvinced by the stormpelican/stormfish- type thing...
Did you just refer to yourself in the third person?
Anyway...
It looks WAY better than I thought, but dammit - where is the dread supposed to fit?!?
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Post by: warboss
fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.
as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.
the brick criticism comes in when a significant portion of people responding simply don't think the vehicle looks "cool". if something is cool (whether an official model or a conversion), you tend to gloss over things and suspend disbelief. when you simply don't like a model's aesthetics overall, you'll start criticising individual details if someone disagrees with your opinion. the borg cube is cool (and operates in space where you don't need aerodynamics - see the ISS). the tardis doesn't look cool but is bigger inside so IS cool. the stormraven is a flying brick with a stupid looking turret in front of a chimney... not cool.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
On the back in a clamp I guess.
Bit disappointed in the lack of a rear view. But hey, Blackboxes in Stores this week. I'll go have a hands-on methinks.
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Post by: warboss
Mr Mystery wrote:On the back in a clamp I guess.
Bit disappointed in the lack of a rear view. But hey, Blackboxes in Stores this week. I'll go have a hands-on methinks.
check about a page back. someone posted a screenshot of the even uglier end of the bird.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, which doesn't appear to show ANY mechanism whatsoever for holding a Dreadnought, hence my question...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
abatha wrote:im not entirely sold on the chickenship, or the totally unprotected ammo feed.. i think somebody is getting a flank full of shrapnel when that gets shot up.
magna grapple looks awesome tho
Not nearly as awesome as the Blood Fist / Blood Talons / whatever the claws are called...
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Post by: warboss
i may be turning into majortom11 now but i just noticed that the dread has protection for his frank and beans ala the crotch armor plate. the dread definitely looks cool though, with enough parts to clearly distinguish between the three flavors visually.
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Post by: sonofruss
FM Ninja 048 wrote:
If you look between the rear landing gear there is a door under the hull on the bottom of it there is no outside ride for the dread
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Post by: boreas
So the Stormraven... like... gives birth... to the dread?
Somehow, that's nasty.
Still, 2 ordered! Thank you, Mr Wayland Games!
Phil
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Post by: ceorron
I'm slowly being brought round to the chibi hawk. Might be good to get a conversion out of.
As for the dreads, think they are probably conversion fodder too, perticularly the Libby dread. Needs more to it really but a good start for a conversion. Having 3 in 1 box like that there was always going to be some compremise somewhere.
Good point about the death company dread, front will probably work for a caplain dread conversion Will IMO look better than the Forgeworld one anyway.
Looking back to the orginal picture and my comments that the chibi hawk may have been some kind of test mock up, I think I have been proved correct. The top turret is smaller, the front retros bigger (I think), the back wing a bit smaller and better positioned.
There is still the problem of the gap at the back, but then people were arguing where to put the dread, and GW will no doubt go down the buy a Stormraven and buy a Dread(or vise versa) you can use them together marketing (i.e. squeasing every penny).
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Post by: Ironklawmadgutsmek
looks like i'll be ordering mine from UK, not our local GW store as the price difference is crazy... $96 nz dollars =46.2746 GBP
or buy for UK website at ...27.70Pound... uk Dread...
and flying chicken /chibi hawk .. $142 New Zealand $ ==68.7882 GBP
or buy at 41 pound...
even with postage I'll be saving........Our store over here's only excuse is .... BUT YOU DON"T HAVE TO WAIT.... YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW.......
i can wait....3 weeks for post.... With that kind of saving I think ALL Us DAKKA's would? Or am I Wrong?????
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Post by: boreas
Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.
Phil
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Post by: TBD
The regular Furioso front reminds me of a clown the way GW painted it up with it's wing-ears and blood drop nose
Too bad the first time they chose to not give us several separate sarcophagus fronts they give us a built in one that isn't that good looking ( Imo).
The Librarian version looks good enough (I was hoping the Blood Fists would be the same as the Ironclad's close combat weapon arm though, and the Force Weapon to be "hand"-held), and the Death Company dread's skull just needs a metal paint job to make it not appear as if it is somehow supposed to be a real (hugely oversized) skull.
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Post by: Gibbsey
Maybe you guys who complain it cant fly can just use a librarian dreanought as the cargo and model it like the dread is flying across the board carrying the stormraven
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Post by: Kilkrazy
boreas wrote:Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.
Phil
What the effing eff is going on with GW's pricing structure?
Still, we can use the export orders, so, please, buy three!
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Post by: Gibbsey
boreas wrote:Yeah, two of thoses are 182$ here with taxes (in Canada). From UK, 107$, delivered. A whooping 40% less and I don't have to get my lazy bum to the store.
Phil
just make sure you took conversion rates into account
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Post by: Ironklawmadgutsmek
don't worry I did... i never buy anything from our local GW, Always from our local web Auction/trademe or ebay, bitsbox.uk or similar.
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Post by: TBD
sonofruss wrote:If you look between the rear landing gear there is a door under the hull on the bottom of it there is no outside ride for the dread
I think that "door" is the rear assault ramp. No way 10(?) marines AND a Dreadnought fit into the interior of that thing. A dreadnought doesn't fit through that opening either.
GW will probably use the "scale isn't entirely accurate" excuse again like with the other Marine transports, even though there is a correctly scaled Marine in the cockpit
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Post by: Balance
TBD wrote:
I think that "door" is the rear assault ramp. No way 10(?) marines AND a Dreadnought fit into the interior of that thing. A dreadnought doesn't fit through that opening either.
GW will probably use the "scale isn't entirely accurate" excuse again like with the other Marine transports, even though there is a correctly scaled Marine in the cockpit
To be slightly generous, 'drop ships' that carry mecha tend to be a little weird. RIFTS actually had a cool one: the German book detailed one that looked kind of like a transport helicopter and had the power armor suspended on a drop rack.It still looked awkward, and was faster than walking the mecha, but probably not by much. Orbital transport wasn't relevant in the setting, as space was supposed to be very, very scary.
The root issue is just that a Dreadnought is, what, twice as tall as a Space Marine, maybe three times? So that's 14-21 feet tall in scale for the transport compartment, which makes things awkward. I still think it might have been nice if they had done the design with space or hatches that was obviosuly designed for a Dreadnought in it. As is, this looks like the modeling team wasn't talking to the writing team.
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Post by: shrike
"and here it goes! Hey, ward- we've finished sculpting the stormraven!"
"you do know it's meant to have a dread in it, right?"
"...no problemo! I'll just make it taller here, cut this chunk off the back...presto!"
"...how does the dread cling on?"
"...it holds on!"
"to what?"
"...it punches a hole through the back and hangs by it's arm!"
"what if it has two AC's?"
".......then it sticks it's...foot...in it...and hangs...upside down?"
"...meh. Okay."
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Post by: MagickalMemories
bhsman wrote:EDIT: MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
Are you serious?
Why wouldn't I be?
Metal Dreads weigh too darn much and are a pain in the butt to assemble.
Eric
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Post by: Alpharius
shrike wrote:"and here it goes! Hey, ward- we've finished sculpting the stormraven!"
"you do know it's meant to have a dread in it, right?"
"...no problemo! I'll just make it taller here, cut this chunk off the back...presto!"
"...how does the dread cling on?"
"...it holds on!"
"to what?"
"...it punches a hole through the back and hangs by it's arm!"
"what if it has two AC's?"
".......then it sticks it's...foot...in it...and hangs...upside down?"
"...meh. Okay."
At least you didn't third person bomb us again...
I wish there were a few less blood drops on some of the bits, but it is plastic, so converting will be somewhat easy!
That DC dread is going to make an awesome Chaplain dread!
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Bloodwin wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
You do realise this is a very old classic model they've reissued?
Yes. So?
My point still stands.
Eric
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Post by: Mr. Burning
I like the storm raven, its out I guess so that is a 'good thing'.
But that turret and the gubbins behind it is what is making the whole thing look a mess.
'Jenkins! Those red 'arsestarts' need more guns, get to it!'
'But'
'Just do it!'
'They also need a pointless air intake thingy'.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Alpharius wrote:Yeah, which doesn't appear to show ANY mechanism whatsoever for holding a Dreadnought, hence my question...
Mechanism?
The Dread got claws.....
he can hang on there!
Imo, 2 access ramps and 2 side hatches are the correct loadout.
The lack of any Dread transport cage was to be expected. Thats why we need proper T-hawks, dreads inside FTW.
This SR still needs a lot of redesign
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Post by: Gibbsey
1hadhq wrote:Imo, 2 access ramps and 2 side hatches are the correct loadout.
Im still waiting to see what people say about exiting side hatches when hurricane bolters are attached
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Post by: Pyronick
Few notes,
Magna Grapple: Absolutely love the idea that there are two winches attached to these so you can really invision those things shooting like a taze gun at a tank then winding it back in.
DC Dread: The nut protector and the bracer type arm plates absolutely look awesome and really buff up the model. Love it.
SR: No hooks is sigh. But I will come up with a way to cleverly do it, or I'll have a dandy time pretending my dreadnaught drops off when i deploy him from off the table. Either way i'm happy, but I guess i'm one of those easy to please customers that just really enjoys playing to play.
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Post by: TBD
Alpharius wrote:That DC dread is going to make an awesome Chaplain dread!
A nice Chaos dread too, probably.
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Post by: Raxor
TBD wrote:Alpharius wrote:That DC dread is going to make an awesome Chaplain dread!
A nice Chaos dread too, probably.
Chaos players still take those things?
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Post by: shrike
Mr. Burning wrote:But that turret and the gubbins behind it is what is making the whole thing look a mess.
1hadhq wrote:Alpharius wrote:Yeah, which doesn't appear to show ANY mechanism whatsoever for holding a Dreadnought, hence my question...
Mechanism? you are 100% right IMO mr. burning. I saw a photoshopped one without these and it looked decent.
The Dread got claws.....
he can hang on there!
what if it's a rifleman?
Alpharius wrote:That DC dread is going to make an awesome Chaplain dread!
That is exactly what I thought! I'm gonna buy one as a libby (but redesign the head) and one as a chaplain.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
MagickalMemories wrote:Bloodwin wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
You do realise this is a very old classic model they've reissued?
Yes. So?
My point still stands.
Eric
Bloodwin's point was that back then almost EVERYTHING was made of metal ( I think only a select few Space Marines and Genestealers were actually made of plastic). To make your point valid GW would have had to jump through time for about 20 years to satisfy that.
Now to contribute to the thread: I just noticed that the DC dread featured in the BA codex shares some design elements with the plastic one we have now. Was that a prototype or something?
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Post by: shrike
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Was that a prototype or something?
Probably. Notice in the 5th ed. rulebook- the section on buildings and flamers IIRC. They have the prototype bastion there.
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Post by: 1hadhq
shrike wrote:
what if it's a rifleman?
You don't hold a rifleman back ( ie throw in per Stormraven aka chibihawk ) don't you?
Or magnetic clamps in his feet could solve this...
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Post by: ceorron
Alpharius wrote:
I wish there were a few less blood drops on some of the bits, but it is plastic, so converting will be somewhat easy!
How so Alpharius? If you look at the sprues on the GW website you will note that all the blood angels iconography on the chibi is all completely seperate. No need to stick it on if you don't want it. You will also note that there is for each of the blood drop wing icons the "book with a sword in it" icon with is of course the icon of the Grey Knights. Edit: Realised you were talking about the dreads. Point taken.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
I don't mind the look of the bird now, as it has grown a bit on me.
Although I had pushed my BA to the side and started orks and SW, I LOVE the new dread kit. I may have to go get one.. Or three.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
THe bird was growing on me, then GW hired a photographer that took a picture in the absolute worst angle ever. Feels like someone took the thunderhawk and cropped the rear off.
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Post by: WarsawTom
I can't wait to put these new models together, paint them up nice, and blow things up with them.
Mephiston and a dread, taking a ride in a flying dumpster is gonna be hilarious at the next GT I go to! lol!
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Post by: MagickalMemories
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:Bloodwin wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:Bjorn the fell handed? Apparently, GW still hasn't caught on that Dreads *should*not*be*made*of*metal.
Sheesh.
You do realise this is a very old classic model they've reissued?
Yes. So?
My point still stands.
Eric
Bloodwin's point was that back then almost EVERYTHING was made of metal ( I think only a select few Space Marines and Genestealers were actually made of plastic). To make your point valid GW would have had to jump through time for about 20 years to satisfy that.
Or, to make my point valid, they could just create a new model (which is my point).
Really, all they need is a "Bjorn" accessory sprue for an existing Dread, package them together at the same inflated price and *blammo* New Bjorn.
They need to retire that antiquated monstrosity, stop trying to milk money off of a humdrum brick of metal and make a "new shiny" plastic one.
Eric
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Post by: Chowderhead
Now that I have gotten a good look at them, they look like massive sky whales.
Is this just me?
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Post by: Augustus
MajorTom11 wrote:Chibi- hawk go!
YAY
Every time I see Chibihawk getting closer to common useage my heart sings a little more! Ha ha ha!
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Post by: btemple0
I just pre-ordered myself the Stormraven, and plastic furioso/libby/Death Co dread. Because I want to make sure I get what I want for my birthday.
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Post by: fox40
MajorTom11 wrote:fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.
as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.
People are willing to forgive a lot if they think it looks cool. Those that do or don't like it don't need to justify themselves either way as far as their attempts to articulate what the problem is. For me, your examples are bad, as they as none of them are meant to be in-atmostphere aircraft. Would a land-speeder fly either? No... but it's sillouette looks balanced evenly distributed, hopefully if you agree on that point I think you will see what people really mean when they say 'aerodynamic' in this context. It's just a question of visual balance and opinions thereof.
how about the landing craft from starship troopers then, same as the stormraven, boxy and designed to fly from space to landing with plenty of storage hence boxy.
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
MagickalMemories wrote:
Or, to make my point valid, they could just create a new model (which is my point).
Really, all they need is a "Bjorn" accessory sprue for an existing Dread, package them together at the same inflated price and *blammo* New Bjorn.
They need to retire that antiquated monstrosity, stop trying to milk money off of a humdrum brick of metal and make a "new shiny" plastic one.
Eric
They've never produced a dedicated plastic set for any character to date, and I doubt they ever will. Besides, do you really want them to spend money and time making ANOTHER Space Marine set?
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Post by: Necros
Well, the new pics actually look much better. But, I still wish they'd do something with that empty space under the tail.. I think that's my whole problem with it .. just makes it feel incomplete to me, like something needs to be there or the troop transport area just need to be longer or something...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:
Or, to make my point valid, they could just create a new model (which is my point).
Really, all they need is a "Bjorn" accessory sprue for an existing Dread, package them together at the same inflated price and *blammo* New Bjorn.
They've never produced a dedicated plastic set for any character to date, and I doubt they ever will. Besides, do you really want them to spend money and time making ANOTHER Space Marine set?
How about a plastic Space Wolf Dreadnought kit which happens to also make a Bjorn-like Dread?
I'd be OK with that.
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Post by: Burgwatzk
Without exagerration I can say the the Ravenwing is the ugliest model released by GW in several editions. It is a brick. An ugly squat brick with an unattractive, impractical design. Load your blood angels onto the Space Marine Shortbus everyone!
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Post by: MajorTom11
MajorTom11 wrote:fox40 wrote:that turret that people keep moaning about will look so good as a razorback turret, i have ordered one already but plan on getting 3.
as for the brick/aerodynamics criticism - its fantasy, based in the very distant future where there are hovering tanks, jet bikes, jump packs etc. they dont need to worry about aerodynamics. how aerodynamic is a borg cube? or the tardis? aerodynamics mean nothing when you have cheap abundant power and anti grav capability.
People are willing to forgive a lot if they think it looks cool. Those that do or don't like it don't need to justify themselves either way as far as their attempts to articulate what the problem is. For me, your examples are bad, as they as none of them are meant to be in-atmostphere aircraft. Would a land-speeder fly either? No... but it's sillouette looks balanced evenly distributed, hopefully if you agree on that point I think you will see what people really mean when they say 'aerodynamic' in this context. It's just a question of visual balance and opinions thereof.
fox40 wrote:how about the landing craft from starship troopers then, same as the stormraven, boxy and designed to fly from space to landing with plenty of storage hence boxy.
That's actually a perfect example, good one! Despite it literally being as boxy as possible, the ST dropship still has distributed weight and a solid look to it. Again, I think it is more about how you are interpreting the words 'aerodynamic' and 'boxy'... just replace them with 'front-heavy' and 'unstylishly out of proportion'. Again, it will just be the individuals opinion in the end.
This was my re-design that made the rounds a month or 2 ago, I actually didn't do much other than extend the body to disribute the weight further back, add some solidity to the engine and wing attachment zones, and of course, cut down the height by getting rid of the turret and lowering the vents to give it a sleeker more 'aerodynamic ' profile. The thrusters I added to the front as we now see were actually on the model as we can now see, so really, it's just the 1st 2 items that fix it for me personally. I called it boxy and front-heavy, but as you can see the reasons why were not some all-reaching condemnation based on physics and engineering principals, just a few things that unbalance it for me.
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Post by: bhsman
MagickalMemories wrote:They need to retire that antiquated monstrosity, stop trying to milk money off of a humdrum brick of metal and make a "new shiny" plastic one.
It WAS retired, why else do you think they're rereleasing it? And who cares if it's metal, it's represents a famous character, whether or not it's a Dreadnought.
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Post by: Happygrunt
Not sure if this has been said, but thats the most expensive battle force available. (I might buy one, its still a good deal)
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Post by: cgage00
haters are gonna hate. I think the new stuff looks good.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
They've never produced a dedicated plastic set for any character to date, and I doubt they ever will. Besides, do you really want them to spend money and time making ANOTHER Space Marine set?
To your comment: Because they *haven't* doesn't necessarily mean they *shouldn't*. The thing about creating a Bjorn sprue for a basic Dread is that it could be used as a really cool SW Dread. It wouldn't HAVE to be used as Bjorn. KWIM?
To your question: Yes, actually. Especially when the other choice is metallibrick.
Eric Automatically Appended Next Post: bhsman wrote:It WAS retired, why else do you think they're rereleasing it? And who cares if it's metal, it's represents a famous character, whether or not it's a Dreadnought.
Yeah. It's the Brett Favre of models. It needs to actually STAY retired.
Who cares? Me. I'm not alone, either. There are a lot of people who don't like metal models.
Plus... you ever tried to assemble a metal Dread? If the pull isn't PERFECT, it's a HUGE PITA to assemble.
Eric
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Post by: Mukkin'About
Finally they released it! Can't wait to give it all a go!
Oh wait my empty wallet says otherwise :(
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Post by: Red Comet
I'm sorry. I love the Blood Angels, but the Stormraven is an awful design through and through. I think that chibi picture pretty much describes what I think it looks like. Its a chibi Thunderhawk in every sense of the word "chibi". Its also somewhat of a points sink. I would have considered buying the model just to have it, but right now it doesn't seem all that appealing.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons? There are 4 Blood Angel (blood drop with wings) and 4 Grey Knight (book with sword). I guess that confirms that GK get them but not that other chapters will (at least until the next vanilla codex).
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons?
Yes, nearly everyone, starting several days ago when the sprue pics first leaked out.
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Post by: warboss
BladeWalker wrote:Did anyone notice that on the second sprue pictured for the Stormraven there are chapter icons? There are 4 Blood Angel (blood drop with wings) and 4 Grey Knight (book with sword). I guess that confirms that GK get them but not that other chapters will (at least until the next vanilla codex).
that doesn't necessarily mean anything. the drop pod just happened to spoil us with the number and breadth of the icons it came with; the rhino and land raider don't have any chapter icons but that doesn't mean vanilla chapters can't use them. gw needs sales and i think they'll LRC the stormraven into other chapters sooner rather than later (with the full codex fluff redo next edition).
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Post by: bhsman
In retrospect, I'm surprised they didn't paint a Stormraven in Grey Knight colors.
MagickalMemories wrote:Yeah. It's the Brett Favre of models. It needs to actually STAY retired.
Who cares? Me. I'm not alone, either. There are a lot of people who don't like metal models.
Plus... you ever tried to assemble a metal Dread? If the pull isn't PERFECT, it's a HUGE PITA to assemble.
Eric
Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it.  It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Just thought it was cool to see something new for GK even if it's just a icon for a vehicle.
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Post by: Happygrunt
So I looked at the Storm Raven. I was excited. I thought it would look better from a different angle. I slowly turned to the back of the model, and then vomited in all directions.
ITS AWFUL! WHY GOD? WHY COULDN'T THE HULL EXTEND JUST TWO MORE INCHES!?! AT least I can remove the STUPID DRAG CREATING VENT and make it a passable model.
Although they are accepting pictures of Blood Angels Armies. Wounder if a DYI successor chapter counts...
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Post by: MagickalMemories
bhsman wrote:Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it. It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.
Well, I admit you've got a point, re: critical resources. I couldn't and wouldn't dare say it does that.
Still, though, that fact doesn't keep me from looking at the beast and feeling like GW is hosing everyone who buys it.
Eric
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Post by: Happygrunt
After looking at the Dreadnought sprues again, I begin my quest to figure out how to make a magnetized dread for both options (Blood Talons and Librarian) out of one box.
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Post by: Ouze
OK, I think I'm going to get one of these. It's really grown on me.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.
I was thinking that too. The paint details down to the various exhaust port soot stains are identical on all three.
The vehicle itself would be awesome if its fuselage was twice as long as it actually is.
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Post by: Ouze
Kilkrazy wrote:Ouze wrote:I'm reasonable sure that all 3 stormravens in that picture are actually the same model, composited together into a single image. I've seen them do that in WD a few times now, too, but unlike the WD cloning, at least this time they made the effort to photoshop the number on the side.
I was thinking that too. The paint details down to the various exhaust port soot stains are identical on all three.
If you look at the back of the WD issue where Spearhead was released, you can see this several times - the same battlewagon appears 3 times, the same leman russ appears twice, and a deff dread is cloned, as I recall (i'm at work, so don't have it with me).
It is pretty ironic that for a company which is all about pushing you to buy metric tons of plastic crap and then paint it all to 'eavy metal standards, they clearly can't be bothered to do so themselves in their own marketing materials.
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Post by: pj-brainz
I love the new dreads its taking a bit of incoming fire but i suppose you cant please everyone but the models are still gonna sell loads regardless. The new models are definetely making me consider doing a BA army.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
JohnHwangDD wrote:
How about a plastic Space Wolf Dreadnought kit which happens to also make a Bjorn-like Dread?
I'd be OK with that.
I kinda think there are other kits that should be made before 1000 loyalist chapters each get their own plastic Dreadnought. But that's just me. I'm guessing there will be at least two more ( GK, BT) before Chaos gets one.
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Post by: Capt. Rex
I shoulda seen this coming
The day after I buy a Venerable Dread to convert, GW puts the new ones up and I don't like a single one of the designs.
Making the mad dash to buy the now old metal version before they sell out.
But damn, AUS $110 for The Flying Brick?
Think I'll just jump on the DIY bandwagon and make mine own for cheaper (and it'll look better).
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Post by: Jaon
I was tempted to start a new thread in general discussions, but Ill just ask here.
Looking at the pictures of the chibi hawk, notice that there are large bulky something or others in front of the hurricane bolters? It almost looks like it will prevent the hurricane bolters from firing forward. The stormraven is pretty much going to have to point where it is going to fire to hit with both hurricane bolters, if it can fire them forward at all. I dont want to be wasting POTMS on firing both hurricane bolters at different targets, especially when they are defensive weapons.
Thoughts?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
bhsman wrote:In retrospect, I'm surprised they didn't paint a Stormraven in Grey Knight colors.
Because GW doesn't do previews?
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Post by: bhsman
H.B.M.C. wrote:Because GW doesn't do previews?
You mean like the email we got at the start of last year previewing the Deff Dread? Y'know, previews like that?
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
If the 3 SRs are one model shopped into 3, they took 3 different pics of it. The reflections on the canopies are all different.
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Post by: HiveFleet
SlaveToDorkness wrote:If the 3 SRs are one model shopped into 3, they took 3 different pics of it. The reflections on the canopies are all different.
thats exactly how they do it. The camera and lighting are kept in static, constant positions, and they merely take 3+ pictures with the models in place, and then blend them together in photoshop...its a fairly easy trick. One they used copiously in their Dark Eldar photo shoots and throughout the warhammer rulebook.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Exactly. Sometimes they don't even bother moving the mini, just clone it over to the next spot. Need to look again but they did it with the DC Furioso in one of the army shots.
Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.
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Post by: Ouze
MajorTom11 wrote:Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.
Legitimate in that it's marketing material, sure. Absolutely. I'm not giving them one iota of grief over that.
But if you're one of those people who has a hard time motivating yourself to cranking out a giant army just like the epic ones you're always seeing in WD, you should keep in mind that these guys don't bother doing it, either - and they get paid to. Remember it when you're reading their subtle exhortations that "this is the way to play warhams" as they represent this as a typical army. No one actually buys 3 stormravens and paints them to 'eavy metal standards, not even the guys who do it for a living. So don't feel like you need to, if you don't want to.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
guys don't bother doing it, either - and they get paid to.
GW staff get paid to complete the minimum work needed to get the job done before moving onto another project, just like any job at any company. Efficiency, deadlines and cost are all in play. Customers are doing it as a hobby. The use of a single model multiple times in advertising shots is not really a valid argument as to whether customers should or should not paint a lot of models for their hobby. I can't believe this is now a bone of contention for some hobbyists, but then, complaining seems to be the primary purpose of the forum, especially when it comes to the Stormraven kit. That is, till the next source of GW customer outrage is released.
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Post by: abatha
MagickalMemories wrote:bhsman wrote:Bjorn is a classic model and kinda owns, deal with it. It's not like re-releasing him takes crucial resources from developing new models or anything, so chill.
Well, I admit you've got a point, re: critical resources. I couldn't and wouldn't dare say it does that.
Still, though, that fact doesn't keep me from looking at the beast and feeling like GW is hosing everyone who buys it.
Eric
not only was it originally released a good 15 years ago when GW couldnt even begin to consider injection moulded kits on that scale, but it is indeed a well loved classic, which the youngsters in the hobby are getting a chance to appreciate (for a classicly high price). if you wanted a plastic SW dread then between ironclad, venerable, multiple plastic spacewolf parts, a ton of forgeworld variants and now this new furious chap im sure anyone with a little patience and imagination could come up with something pretty ace...
on another note..
was anyone else expecting something more along these lines? ..that is some serious cop-out to resort to 'yeah, dread hangs on the back with a magna grapple'
i dont mind the cloning so much in the sample armies but why the hell do they put up sample army with a picture but the picture only has half the stuff in the list?!? (theyre there, cant be bothered finding a link right now)
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Post by: theduncan
Why tacticals in the battleforce?
Why?????
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Post by: Balance
Kind of a neat model, abatha. Are the thingies on the wingtips the actual landing gear, ro do the grabbers on the cargo area do double duty?
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Post by: Kanluwen
That's the Valkyrie Sky-Talon.
And yes, those "thingies on the wingtips" are the landing gear. They're like that on every Valkyrie, meant to reinforce the idea that they're "helicopters" rather than "jets", if that makes sense.
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Post by: warboss
Balance wrote:Kind of a neat model, abatha. Are the thingies on the wingtips the actual landing gear, ro do the grabbers on the cargo area do double duty?
what grabbers in the cargo area? i thought one of the complaints here is that there isn't a visible exterior clamp for the dread?
edit: ahh, you're talking about the sky talon. never mind. yeah, definitely a cool model.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
was anyone else expecting something more along these lines? ..that is some serious cop-out to resort to 'yeah, dread hangs on the back with a magna grapple'
Oh I'm sure they could have designed something at least 50% larger that would look more plausible for toting Dreadnoughts around and it would take up more space and cost considerably more. I'm thankful the 40K transports are generally a bit undersized and require some suspension of disbelief, it's more practical and less expensive than if all the models were larger and even pricier.
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
Jaon wrote:I was tempted to start a new thread in general discussions, but Ill just ask here.
Looking at the pictures of the chibi hawk, notice that there are large bulky something or others in front of the hurricane bolters? It almost looks like it will prevent the hurricane bolters from firing forward. The stormraven is pretty much going to have to point where it is going to fire to hit with both hurricane bolters, if it can fire them forward at all. I dont want to be wasting POTMS on firing both hurricane bolters at different targets, especially when they are defensive weapons.
Thoughts?
I should think they act like normal LR sponsons or Pred sponsons with line of sight?
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Post by: warboss
as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.
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Post by: bhsman
theduncan wrote:Why tacticals in the battleforce?
Why?????
By golly, you're right!
...they should be Scouts instead, right?
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Post by: Calibanite Lion
warboss wrote:as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.
size is good and i like the top down view, nice find
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
The only problem I find with the dread is that the Force Weapon is on his left arm. If it was made for his right arm you could make a second Furioso by putting the arm on a normal dread.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
You know, invert those wings and you've have something very similar to the old Wing Commander Broadsword heavy fighter. It is achieving the sort of pug fugly I like!
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Post by: abatha
bhsman wrote:theduncan wrote:Why tacticals in the battleforce?
Why?????
By golly, you're right!
...they should be Scouts instead, right?
they should have ditched the rhino and tac and put in more assault marines and a baal predator or DC and devastators or something.. you may as well just get a standard marine battleforce and DC box instead of this one
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Post by: Just Dave
pj-brainz wrote:I love the new dreads its taking a bit of incoming fire but i suppose you cant please everyone but the models are still gonna sell loads regardless. The new models are definetely making me consider doing a BA army.
Well, to be fair, I've read very few complaints about the Dreads. Only really complaints regarding their inability to be used for multiple purposes, therefore making you buy multiples... 
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Post by: MajorTom11
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The only problem I find with the dread is that the Force Weapon is on his left arm. If it was made for his right arm you could make a second Furioso by putting the arm on a normal dread.
Wouldn't worry too much about it anymore bud, now that there is a plastic right arm, I am betting you will be able to come across them easily enough from ebay.
Side note, not a Chibi fan in general as-is, but it looks pretty darned good from the top!
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Post by: vitki
I'm waiting for someone to build a model that shows a dread running and holding the chibihawk above it.
See - this is how they get them going. the dread just has to run fast enough then hangs on...
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Post by: niallkissick
I heard the SR is actually the gestalt form of the dreadnought
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Post by: Darknite
Has anyone seen a pic of it actually on a flight stand?
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Post by: warboss
MajorTom11 wrote:Side note, not a Chibi fan in general as-is, but it looks pretty darned good from the top!
agreed. if they had "leaked" the top down photo (definitely its best angle), i wouldn't have been disappointed until this week! from the sprues, this thing is going to be a PITA to transport, though. the wings don't slot-fit like the valkyrie and will probably have to be glued on in most cases. from the dimensions in the pic, i think one would be lucky to fit the bird in a GW size tray (the kind i use) with them glued on.
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Post by: Son_of_Iron
Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"
Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.
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Post by: Just Dave
Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"
Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.
That's been covered all ready in this thread and it's generally reckoned it's not a bare head. Apart from it being gold and completely smooth- despite it being the head of a semi-dead Space Marine Veteran.
Loreal Wrinkling Cream in 40K isn't that good that a bear head would be so silky smooth...
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Post by: abatha
Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"
Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.
its a death mask on the librarian and if its a genuine skull on the DC then well.. he's clearly not using his face a great deal right now.
i somewhat agree with the exposed face rage tho.... marneus calgar.. dead, tycho.. just put a helmet on, azrael.. very good, you have a midget slave, now put ur helmet on before someone has ur eye out. lysander.. what s the point in wearing the termi armour if ur not gonna put it all on?
all scouts! infiltrating and what not, definately dead with a garot or a bit of shrapnel. it makes no real sense, although spacewolves have the cheap excuse of "my hair doesnt fit" or "i cant smell stuff so good with it on"
..just my opinion you understand
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Post by: skull boy
I'm gonna have to start Blood Angels *drools*
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Post by: Alpharius
abatha wrote:Son_of_Iron wrote:Damn good looking models all of em!
But... the bare head dread is just well.... not very tactical... what if a vindicate rolls up and says "Oh BTW, ima kill you in the face because you don't have any armor plating. That cool with you?"
Also, I think that the Land Raider/Valkyrie combo model looks a little cooler than the new one.
its a death mask on the librarian and if its a genuine skull on the DC then well.. he's clearly not using his face a great deal right now.
Ha! Quote of the week, right there!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
MajorTom11 wrote:This was my re-design that made the rounds a month or 2 ago,
I rather liked that version.
With the final kit, suppose one were to remove the turret and the upper vents for a slimline "Razorback"-style turret, and extend the tail boom by about 3 inches - I could do that with plasticard. Maybe push the engines back a bit more.
But frankly, it's the sort of thing I'd rather kitbash starting with a Rhino.
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Post by: LunaHound
warboss wrote:as a side note, i saw this pic yesterday on someone's blog and saved it. unfortunately, i didn't save the actual link so i can't credit them directly... either way, it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.
Hmm its chibi alright. In Canada it still costs more than a Land Raider.
Important question , anyone know if the new Furioso chest plates and arms are interchangeable with Iron Clad and Venerable Dred?
i meant directly without any need for ( yes minor or not ) conversions.
Also, does the multimelta on the chibi hawk swivel? It sticks out stiff like a bad conversion...
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Post by: Just Dave
That's what she sai----
... No? 
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Post by: btemple0
Yes, some of us HAVE assembled metal dreads, but before I assembled it I got some advice from a gamer at my FLGS and he told me to pin it down, so I had no issues, and some of ther metal minis I actually happen to like, and to be completely honest I am happy I can buy a Bjorn model now.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
MajorTom11 wrote:Exactly. Sometimes they don't even bother moving the mini, just clone it over to the next spot. Need to look again but they did it with the DC Furioso in one of the army shots.
Anyways, I don't mind, it's perfectly legitimate for the purposes they use it for in my opinion.
They did it with the AoBR dreads in RedS8n's 2nd picture on page one.
Both have the exact same transfers on them. As in, one is just a photoshop.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
bhsman wrote:You mean like the email we got at the start of last year previewing the Deff Dread? Y'know, previews like that?
Wow really? Are you that desperate to make me look wrong bhsman that you're going to bring up a tiny picture from over a year ago when all recent 'previews' have been nothing other than " Soon we're gonna show you something... eventually... maybe!".
Jesus man, everyone here has noticed how tight GW is with info. Are you going to be wilfully ignorant of that fact because you don't like me and/or you're an ass?
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Post by: bhsman
I'm not saying they aren't tight with info, but it was obvious to anyone who read the fluff for the Stormraven knew the Grey Knights would get one. I'm just saying I was expecting maybe an alternate paint scheme, even a tiny picture. Chill.
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Post by: MajorTom11
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Post by: LunaHound
So... no one know if they are interchangeable? ah... comes out Feb 5th... no inside info then?
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Post by: MagickalMemories
abatha wrote:
not only was it originally released a good 15 years ago when GW couldnt even begin to consider injection moulded kits on that scale, but it is indeed a well loved classic, which the youngsters in the hobby are getting a chance to appreciate (for a classicly high price). if you wanted a plastic SW dread then between ironclad, venerable, multiple plastic spacewolf parts, a ton of forgeworld variants and now this new furious chap im sure anyone with a little patience and imagination could come up with something pretty ace...
I know it's old. I've only been playing 40k for 9 or so years, but I've been "Oohing and aahing" over GW miniatures since the early 80's.
My opinion re: brick o'metal won't change. They need better.
Turning around and talking about how someone could convert one doesn't really hold water with me. The thing is that GW's trying to present a model to represent a unit. That being the case, they should present the best that they're able to and that dread just isn't it.
Eric
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Post by: bhsman
Yes, how dare GW re-release a model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades.
We get it, you don't like it and won't buy it. GW would be better serving Space Wolf players by eventually making a plastic kit, but what they did instead wasn't wrong, either.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
btemple0 wrote:Yes, some of us HAVE assembled metal dreads, but before I assembled it I got some advice from a gamer at my FLGS and he told me to pin it down, so I had no issues, and some of ther metal minis I actually happen to like, and to be completely honest I am happy I can buy a Bjorn model now.
Pin it? All that's going to do it hold the pieces together. I've seen more than a couple dreads which had one half actually warped.
You can't do anything with that, but fill in the gap, have it look awkward, and lost the associated detail, as you have to make it look "right."
I like a LOT of their metal models. I'd just like them more in plastic. : )
Don't get me wrong. I think it's good they want to have a Bjorn model. I don't like that they just started recasting an inferior model, when they could've easily done it justice in plastic.
Eric Automatically Appended Next Post: bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
bhsman wrote:We get it, you don't like it and won't buy it. GW would be better serving Space Wolf players by eventually making a plastic kit, but what they did instead wasn't wrong, either.
Just because it wasn't wrong doesn't mean it was *right*.
Eric
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Post by: Commander Cain
Fantastic dreadnought kit. It is everything I wanted and more even if the librarian has to carry a massive harpoon launcher around with him I am also happy that it is priced the same as a regular dred despite all the extras.
As for the SR, I think I will wait to get it until one of our converting geniuses finds a way to make it look less chibi which I do not think will be too much of a problem given the skill that some of us have.
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Post by: Kroothawk
MagickalMemories wrote:bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
Man, just accept that GW wasn't in the mood to spend 10.000 $ on a new dreadnought mould when instead they could just rerelease the old model to see if anybody still wants to buy it.
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Post by: Goddard
Personally, I don't mind the Stormraven's looks, as handling it in person may change opinions. On a side note...what is this...chibi? Heresy?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Goddard wrote:Personally, I don't mind the Stormraven's looks, as handling it in person may change opinions. On a side note...what is this...chibi? Heresy?
It's a crappy nickname some have latched onto, it's from a Japanese word for small, diminutive, etc. And I already ordered a Stormraven model, so I guess I can live with the looks. Actually, with all the sprue options I think it will be a fun project.
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Post by: LunaHound
Goddard wrote:Personally, I don't mind the Stormraven's looks, as handling it in person may change opinions. On a side note...what is this...chibi? Heresy?
Chibi as in tiny or mini.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Bjorn model was the first Dread I ever bought, back when GW's metal models had a lot of lead in them... and when there only were two Dread models, that and the Blood Angel one.
I don't see a problem with them re-releasing the old kit as a Direct Only item. Taking up shelf-space with a Wolf-specific plastic kit would've been a waste of time and money.
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Post by: bhsman
EDIT: Actualy HMBC, looks like we may have spoken a little too soon.
Not a preview, but good to know they actually did paint it in GK colors for the box.
Last post on the subject:
MagickalMemories wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
So you're agreeing with me? You don't like the model. That's fine, but don't pass it off as being objective.
Just because it wasn't wrong doesn't mean it was *right*.
So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, no matter what you say. I like it when they release plastic kits meant to replace old metal ones as much as the next guy, but this isn't the grave insult you're making it out to be. Get over it.
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Post by: LunaHound
bhsman wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
So you're agreeing with me? You don't like the model. That's fine, but don't pass it off as being objective.
Just because it wasn't wrong doesn't mean it was *right*.
So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, get over it.
I think what Eric is saying is , recent years GW have done wonderful jobs on plastic kits.
And it shouldnt be hard to make a model thats better than the re-released Bjorn ( even if its metal )
So its a shame that we dont get something new and awesome?
And what i think: I think GW just have too many left over and dont want to melt them down...
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Post by: bhsman
Oh, I would've preferred a plastic kit as well, but getting upset at them putting Bjorn back up on the website? That's like saying they should'nt re-release Doomrider!
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Post by: LunaHound
bhsman wrote:Oh, I would've preferred a plastic kit as well, but getting upset at them putting Bjorn back up on the website? That's like saying they should'nt re-release Doomrider!
They shouldnt... and god i hope GW have more sense than that. Because
The gist of it represented by the pic:
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Post by: bhsman
LunaHound wrote:bhsman wrote:Oh, I would've preferred a plastic kit as well, but getting upset at them putting Bjorn back up on the website? That's like saying they should'nt re-release Doomrider!
They shouldnt... and god i hope GW have more sense than that. Because
The gist of it represented by the pic:
Welp.
VVV I admit defeat ;_;
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Post by: LunaHound
Surprised me for a sec there! collectors doesnt count. Only a re-release >:"D
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Post by: bellumdominus
It's not a very good view, but the flying stem can be seen. I have heard several people asking for this view. It takes up lots of room on the battlefield, and would be very good for blocking line of sight to a high up place...
I am sorry if this was already posted, skimming through 9 pages of Stormraven posts is hard.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
H.B.M.C. wrote:The Bjorn model was the first Dread I ever bought, back when GW's metal models had a lot of lead in them... and when there only were two Dread models, that and the Blood Angel one.
I don't see a problem with them re-releasing the old kit as a Direct Only item. Taking up shelf-space with a Wolf-specific plastic kit would've been a waste of time and money.
Not enough HBMC and I have a similar opinion, but what he said.
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Post by: Sageheart
the BA battleforce looks awesome, but the stormraven ehhh ehhh idont like it at all.
the dreds are kinda cool, i feel like they could have been done in a more ornate way that would work better with the DC set. Love the heads thou. not feeling the force weapons.
The lists they had as examples of play weren't very good, i found it kinda funny that they didn't put lists up that would actually be used in torties. Such as razorback spam, or DoA lists. Even the lists with lots of dreds and stormravens seemed badly done. myabe that's just me though.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
warboss wrote:it shows the scale of the storm raven to a landraider.
Anybody got a pic of the Stormraven beside a Valk?
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Post by: Tylerkabana
They nailed the Dreadnoughts, but the Stormraven? Not so much in my opinion. Looks like they slapped Valkyrie wings on a horizontally challenged Land Raider.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Y'know, to this day my biggest problem with the Chibi-Hawk remains that damned awful turret/air intake on the top. The fact that the vehicle has no rear is annoying, and makes it look stupid, but if it had a flat top with no vent/turret, it would at least be an improvement. bhsman wrote:EDIT: Actualy HMBC, looks like we may have spoken a little too soon. Not a preview, but good to know they actually did paint it in GK colors for the box.
Ah yes - the box! Of course. I hadn't thought of that. It is a release for BA's and GK's after all, and they certainly aren't going to re-release it with a different box when the GK Codex comes out.
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Post by: Sageheart
QFT ^ haha
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Post by: bhsman
H.B.M.C. wrote:Y'know, to this day my biggest problem with the Chibi-Hawk remains that damned awful turret/air intake on the top. The fact that the vehicle has no rear is annoying, and makes it look stupid, but if it had a flat top with no vent/turret, it would at least be an improvement.
Apparently the air intake piece isn't required to assemble the model, if it helps.
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Post by: plastictrees
It's pretty clear from the sprue pics that the intake just sits on top and isn't built in to the top plate, so it will be easy to leave off.
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Post by: warboss
plastictrees wrote:It's pretty clear from the sprue pics that the intake just sits on top and isn't built in to the top plate, so it will be easy to leave off.
correct, you can leave it off. (i looked at the sprues for that very reason) you'll just have a small "V" shape around the vents that are flush with the top but connected to the engine casing.
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Post by: Tyras
I haven't been keeping up with the recent codex releases, but Wow that thing is armed just as well, or better than a landraider, and it can fly <shiver>. How many points for one?
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Post by: vampyrehntrd
ordering mine next week for my GK army. I have no real idea what it's point cost will be, but with the army I am building it should not cost as much.
I wish GW put a pick up of the storm raven with GK colors.
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Post by: bhsman
vampyrehntrd wrote:ordering mine next week for my GK army. I have no real idea what it's point cost will be, but with the army I am building it should not cost as much.
I wish GW put a pick up of the storm raven with GK colors.
Click here
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Post by: dienekes96
H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't see a problem with them re-releasing the old kit as a Direct Only item. Taking up shelf-space with a Wolf-specific plastic kit would've been a waste of time and money.
Heresy, HBMC. Examining the facts, not only would a Wolf-Specific Dread NOT be a waste of time and money, it would in all likelihood be the absolutely most cost-effective and chronologically meaningful plastic kit GW would ever make. And that includes the Jes Goodwin Tactical Marine Sprue from 1998.
Why? Because there is simply nothing, NOTHING, more awesome than cramming the near-mortal remains, likely in a extremely viscous state due to some horrific battlefield injury sustained while choking out some weak-azz pansy alien, of a genetically optimized and philosophically purified warrior (distilled from the greatest traditions of Conan and Viking warriors) into a fictional war machine, built of adamantiumium with a Gatling gun or sun gun as one arm and a monster power claw with an underslung flamethrower as the other arm, whose ancient frame is haunted by the memories and spirits of previously grievously wounded warriors of the same clan.
And the warriors all had pimp beards before they were burned off.
I rest my case, fool.
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Post by: Happygrunt
So the kit isnt released, and we are already talking about how to fix the kit. If I buy one (You dont have a lot of money in highschool AND when you start a guard army) the turret might stay, but they vent goes. No ifs, ands, or buts. The vent is stupid and should have never been attached to the model in the first place.
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Post by: Balance
Tylerkabana wrote:They nailed the Dreadnoughts, but the Stormraven? Not so much in my opinion. Looks like they slapped Valkyrie wings on a horizontally challenged Land Raider.
Also, doesn't this mean there's 2 plastic Dreadnoughts for the Imperials, while Chaos still has to use the metal one or convert?
(Or is GW trying to change it so Chaos is more about the Defiler to make the two forces more different?)
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Post by: Ouze
Balance wrote:Also, doesn't this mean there's 2 plastic Dreadnoughts for the Imperials, while Chaos still has to use the metal one or convert?
(Or is GW trying to change it so Chaos is more about the Defiler to make the two forces more different?)
Actually it's... 4, right?
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Post by: MajorTom11
2 dreadnoughts???
LOL
Standard
IronClad
Venerable
Furioso
That doesn't even count Metals and FW... Yes indeed, I surely think the Imperials have more than enough Dreadies. I think the only option now is to start doing pre-heresy models lol
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Post by: Kanluwen
There's 11 Forge World Chaos Dreads(with some being "God-specific" duplicates of a Legion, ex: Nurgle v. Death Guard Dreads) .
10 Forge World Loyalist Dreads(of which, at least 3 are non-Chapter specific)
So they're pretty even on the FW front.
The plastic ones should be pretty easy to convert for Chaos though, shouldn't they?
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Post by: bhsman
It's gonna own when they finally release a plastic Chaos Dreadnought kit.
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Post by: Vhalyar
bhsman wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Y'know, to this day my biggest problem with the Chibi-Hawk remains that damned awful turret/air intake on the top. The fact that the vehicle has no rear is annoying, and makes it look stupid, but if it had a flat top with no vent/turret, it would at least be an improvement.
Apparently the air intake piece isn't required to assemble the model, if it helps.
Finding that out made the SR move a notch up in style for me. Once you remove all the crap at the top and use a slimmer turret it does wonders for its silly front-heavy appearances. Plus with the extra space, it's perfect to slap on a big decal or stencil a symbol.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.
This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?"
Putting the guns somewhere else would have been better.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Kroothawk wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
Man, just accept that GW wasn't in the mood to spend 10.000 $ on a new dreadnought mould when instead they could just rerelease the old model to see if anybody still wants to buy it.
Since when does accepting something equate to liking it?
Also, if you think for a moment that, had GW made a SW Dread/Bjorn sprue to add on to an existing Dread, they wouldn't have made a profit, you can only be fooling yourself.
Eric Automatically Appended Next Post: LunaHound wrote:So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, get over it.
I think what Eric is saying is , recent years GW have done wonderful jobs on plastic kits.
And it shouldnt be hard to make a model thats better than the re-released Bjorn ( even if its metal )
So its a shame that we dont get something new and awesome?
And what i think: I think GW just have too many left over and dont want to melt them down...
Someone gets it.
Smart girl, there.
Eric
(though I doubt the "melt[ing] down" part is accurate)
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Post by: AlexHolker
MajorTom11 wrote:2 dreadnoughts???
LOL
Standard
IronClad
Venerable
Furioso
You forgot the AoBR one. But yeah, anyone complaining that we need more of the damn things is crazy.
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Post by: Vhalyar
H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.
This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?".
My guess is that GW wanted to do something similar to the B-17's top turret. Unfortunately, it looks abominable on the Stormraven. Personally I'm wondering how a more classic turret on the belly would look.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I did indeed forget the AOBR dread... so 5 plastic dread kits, 4 or 5 metals, and then 15 or so FW? I think we've got it covered. Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol
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MagickalMemories wrote:Kroothawk wrote:MagickalMemories wrote:bhsman wrote:Yes, how dare GW re-release an inferior model used to represent the same unit as it has for decades, when they could have done so much better.
With the above corrections, I think you're getting closer.
Man, just accept that GW wasn't in the mood to spend 10.000 $ on a new dreadnought mould when instead they could just rerelease the old model to see if anybody still wants to buy it.
Since when does accepting something equate to liking it?
Also, if you think for a moment that, had GW made a SW Dread/Bjorn sprue to add on to an existing Dread, they wouldn't have made a profit, you can only be fooling yourself.
Eric
Automatically Appended Next Post:
LunaHound wrote:So pretty much exactly what you quoted there? GW is far from being in the wrong for re-releasing Bjorn, get over it.
I think what Eric is saying is , recent years GW have done wonderful jobs on plastic kits.
And it shouldnt be hard to make a model thats better than the re-released Bjorn ( even if its metal )
So its a shame that we dont get something new and awesome?
And what i think: I think GW just have too many left over and dont want to melt them down...
MagickalMemories wrote:Someone gets it.
Smart girl, there.
Eric
(though I doubt the "melt[ing] down" part is accurate)
MM et all, probably best to leave it be now boys, points have been made, and frankly, both sides are ok from their point of view if you ask me. Plastic would most definitely be better, but on the other hand if you want to buy a metal one, good on ya. Frankly building the metal one would be a valuable lesson in rage suppression and a character building experience. Continuing this argument will be fruitless except for possibly making your testicles ache with frustration, and that's never a good thing , no matter the cause. Right?
Agree to disagree, and please, by all means remind me of this post next time I derail a thread arguing with someone who feels like telling me what I think LOL
Peace n love my nerd brothers!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol
Maybe next time they 'fix' our Codex we'll get one.
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Post by: MajorTom11
*does amusing but awkward interpretive dance to distract HBMC from thinking about chaos codex. I am horrible yet mesmerizing in my inability to express my inner giraffe*
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Post by: Destrado
H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.
Especially as, when the plastic Mark II Land Raider was released, they said they wanted a distinct look for the turret/sponsons, as if they're automatically controlled in order to distance themselves from Imperial Guard.
Then they do this...
Guess Space Marines are reaping the rewards from Jes going to work on the Dark Eldar.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Guess Space Marines are reaping the rewards from Jes going to work on the Dark Eldar.
Not all of the artists at GW are at the level of Jes Goodwin in artistic talent, but they don't work in a vacuum. Their designs get run by a committee of people above them, like Art Director John Blanche and I suspect that Jes Goodwin's opinion is also sought out for any major design before it is finalized and approved. So love it or hate it, one can hardly blame a single person for it. There's not some lone sculptor working in a room for years on this or any other model. And the mold cutting experts also review every design and request changes as needed to ensure it's practical to produce which also has an effect on the final design of any model.
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Post by: AlexHolker
MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol
*twitch*
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Post by: warboss
Destrado wrote:Especially as, when the plastic Mark II Land Raider was released, they said they wanted a distinct look for the turret/sponsons, as if they're automatically controlled in order to distance themselves from Imperial Guard.
i think you're actually talking about the mark III (the current style) with the remote turrets. the mk I is the old rogue trader version while the II and IIB have the blocky imperial guard-ish sponsons (and are epic and fw models only, not normal GW releases).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well either way, he's right. The various guns have been made with a certain aesthetic. Compare the Chibi-Hawk's turret to the Razorback Turret, Whirly Turret, Predator Sponsons and Land Raider Sponsons.
Notice the difference?
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Post by: Destrado
BrassScorpion wrote:Not all of the artists at GW are at the level of Jes Goodwin in artistic talent, but they don't work in a vacuum. Their designs get run by a committee of people above them, like Art Director John Blanche and I suspect that Jes Goodwin's opinion is also sought out for any major design before it is finalized and approved. So love it or hate it, one can hardly blame a single person for it. There's not some lone sculptor working in a room for years on this or any other model. And the mold cutting experts also review every design and request changes as needed to ensure it's practical to produce which also has an effect on the final design of any model.
I don't doubt this, but I think that his design notes from the Land Raider/Rhino were badly transported to this particular piece. If you compare both the Rhino and the Land Raider, they share similarities - I'm not saying that the Storm Raven should be a flying Rhino, but I think most people (here) would be a bit happier if it were. I just think that they let the ball down on this one.
Although I'll be the first to admit I should've put /sarcasm on what I said, as I don't think Jes Goodwin should or could be involved in every GW project.
EDIT : A cookie for warboss, I was indeed talking about the Mk. III, as the Mk. II was used by Jes in explaining the difference in sponson. Thanks
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Post by: bhsman
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well either way, he's right. The various guns have been made with a certain aesthetic. Compare the Chibi-Hawk's turret to the Razorback Turret, Whirly Turret, Predator Sponsons and Land Raider Sponsons.
Notice the difference?
It's a servitor-powered turret, therefore it's awesome. Might have to replace it with a Psycannon one, depending on the options the Grey Knight version will get.
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Post by: Thanatos73
Actually, looking at the sprues, the turret and intake behind it are seperate from the fuselage, so it'd be easy to leave them off and put some platicard over the hole and relocate the weapons elsewhere. I think it would do wonders as with the turret it does seem to be too tall.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I still say the thing looks like a plucked chicken from the rear.
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Post by: BrookM
Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.
Still, looks good from behind, should be easy enough to convert now knowing that the top intake can be left off with a minimal amount of conversion.
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Post by: boreas
BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.
That's how:
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Post by: vaatbak
boreas wrote:BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.
That's how:
............
You destroyed my last bit of innocence.
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Post by: Just Dave
Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:
The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.
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Post by: BrookM
boreas wrote:BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.
That's how:
I'm going to gouge the other eye out now, first a naked Danny Devito clawing his way through a backseat naked, now this donkey-cave..
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Post by: Earthbeard
H.B.M.C. wrote:MajorTom11 wrote:Give Chaos Dreads some love already lol
Maybe next time they 'fix' our Codex we'll get one.
Hope so, I really do.
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Post by: Just Dave
I'll just leave this here and be on my way...
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Post by: Padre
Gods above...the GW Australian Mail Order mark-up is an absolute RIPOFF!
I just noticed the price for the Storm Raven by Ozzie mail-order... AU$110.00 - not including postage... 
From Maelstrom...GBP 36.90, which works out at todays exchange rate to... AU$59.20...and includes postage.
Gee, I wonder where I'l be buying the kit from...
On a side note, will be buying one...but definitely will be lengthening that fuselage, try to make it a little more TH-like...
Padre^.
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Post by: Alpharius
Guys - NO MORE TALK ABOUT BJORN AND METAL DREADNOUGHTS IN THIS THREAD!
Enough is enough!
Go make a new thread about that subject, if you really have to!
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool: Flying Boxcar, C119  A-10 Thunderbolt II, "Warthog" 
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Post by: bhsman
Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:
*image*
The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.
You wouldn't be the first person to think that, nor the first to be wrong about it.
As for the paint scheme, I think it looks much better than all-red. Must be the alclad (sp?)-looking paintjob, makes it look more like an actual ship.
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Post by: Just Dave
bhsman wrote:Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:
*image*
The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.
You wouldn't be the first person to think that, nor the first to be wrong about it.
As for the paint scheme, I think it looks much better than all-red. Must be the alclad (sp?)-looking paintjob, makes it look more like an actual ship.
Well, to be fair, I didn't think an American would be called British Home Stores man, but it would've been nice!
I prefer the red one, the red/white markings on the Grey Knight SR look really bad and the top/turret area just looks wrong.
I do believe however, that the model could look really good with the crap taken off the top (namely the turret/air vent/maybe rear tail too), so I hope to see someones conversion of it as such!
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