I'm 100% in opposition to you here!

I think it looks A LOT better out of its BA colors!

Alpharius wrote:I'm 100% in opposition to you here! I think it looks A LOT better out of its BA colors!

I'll second that. I think the Grey Knights paint job makes it look great.

was in gw today and had a play with the storm raven kit, looks loads better in person and as to the dreadnought there is a magna grapple winch under the tail boom and it hangs from that. goes together real easy and the kit is quite nice

BrassScorpion wrote:Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool:

Flying Boxcar, C119


A-10 Thunderbolt II, "Warthog"

The A-10 is extremely cool looking, at least to me. Sure, it's not quite as streamlined and 'fast' looking as a lot of fighters, but ti looks like the airplane equivalent of a barroom brawler. Big, solid, and ready to hurt someone.

The C119 is a little harder to defend, but it is, unlike the Stormraven, mostly streamlined. Sure, it looks a bit ungainly, but it looks reasonable.

Having just checked out the picture of the sprue on the GW website, it looks like the hole cut for the turret is the standard size for the hatches from the tank kits. Just a thought but it might look a bit cooler with a Razorback turret on top?

BrassScorpion wrote:Ugly and functional often go together. Sometimes an aircraft can be so ugly it's cool:

This is not one of those times.

The A-10 is extremely cool looking...

I totally agree, but the pilots don't call it the "Warthog" instead of its official Thunderbolt II name for nothing. Compared to sleek fighter planes, they think it's ugly. And it wears ugly like a badge of honor. I've seen A-10 demos many times at airshows and walked up close to them in the static display areas at those shows and it never fails to impress.

This is the funniest complaint I've seen about the Stormraven. It comes from another forum. It's not the fact that they hate the model that's funny, there's plenty of that around and way too much to be funny. Rather, the humor is in the phrasing of the complaint which chases it's own tail in endless circles. Notice the obsessive, repetitive use of the words, "boxy" and "stupid".

We're not complaining that it's boxy, we're complaining that it looks stupid at certain angles. The reason it looks stupid is because it's too boxy, but they could have kept it boxy while making it look not-stupid from those angles.

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone is adept at expressing themselves. Hilarious.

Having just checked out the picture of the sprue on the GW website, it looks like the hole cut for the turret is the standard size for the hatches from the tank kits.

GW uses that measurement over and over again and I love it. It's not only helpful to them with their production process, the swap options this creates for us modelers is endless and fun. Now there's just one more kit one can interchange parts with. I've already taken advantage of this to use a Defiler Chaos looking turret in place of the one that comes in the Land Raider kit for my Tzeentch Land Raider and many other more subtle bit swaps between Imperial vehicle kits.

It sounds like some stores have Black Box samples of the Stormraven this week based on some of the posts here. Maybe I'll stop by my local GW today and see if they have one. Then I can see if it's fugly, cool or somewhere in between for myself.

I think the grey knight paint scheme looks cooler, but then Again, I incorporate black and yellow into my BA vehicles, so I will have an oppurtunity to break of the red and hopefully design some nice hull markings for it. The greyknight one kind of reminds me of WW2 color schemes, just not khakis obviously. In any case to each their own, I just can't wait to bust a knife and plasticard on that kit!

Just ordered my stormraven from GFG, looking forward to having a play around with it and fielding it in a list! I think the GK coloured one looks alright!

Since the turret seem "standard", do we have any confirmation that FW doors (either the Rhino doors or LR) doors would fit on the SR?

Phil

H.B.M.C. wrote:My problem with the turret - other than the fact it has one on that part of it at all... - is that it doesn't fit with previous Marine imagery. All the Marine weapons, be they turreted or on sponsons, follow a very specific visual design.

This turrent on the other hand is alien to that design, and is more befitting the Imperial Guard. It's like when everyone first saw the Wave Serpent for the first time and went "Why has it got a Tau turret on top?"

Putting the guns somewhere else would have been better.

I agree wholly. I have decided to order one of these, but I intend to remove the vent and rework the turret so it's similar to the turrets on a Land Raider\Razorback etc.

boreas wrote:Since the turret seem "standard", do we have any confirmation that FW doors (either the Rhino doors or LR) doors would fit on the SR? Phil

Someone said here earlier that the side doors are Rhino and the main door Land Raider.

You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

puma713 wrote:Those look like the DC dreads from the codex. Wonder if they've been ready for that long and just waiting on the Chibi-hawk to get the green light.


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And is that a new Sicarius-type captain in the second pic? Or has he always been around?

That capatain is a plastic conversion, featured in the BA codex release issue of WD

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

The Dreadnought?

The Rhino?

The Drop Pod?

Hard to say, really.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

The Dreadnought?

The Rhino?

The Drop Pod?

Hard to say, really.

Actually, he's referring to the current space shuttle.

It's affectionately referred to as "the Falling Brick".

Kanluwen wrote:

Gibbsey wrote:You guys do know the stormraven is meant to fly down from orbit to deliver its cargo (also why it has ceramite plating), now what other vehicle from orbit is described as a brick...

Actually, he's referring to the current space shuttle.

It's affectionately referred to as "the Falling Brick".

bet the space shuttle looks KEWL, with the areodynamic shape and the black/white contrast (NASA has good painters)

this just looks meh. will get one probably, but only to convert

Just Dave wrote:Tell you what, as posted by BHSman (British Home Stores man?!) earlier:



The storm raven looks even worse in this picture IMHO.

That looks good, but painting the plasma cannon barrels metal, no drybrush, is just...wierd.
I can easily imagine this with a yellow front ramp, to be referred to as the stormpelican.

It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Maybe the turrets are armed wrongly - anti-aircraft guns in the servitor turret, anti-ground guns in the nose.

I ahve been convinced to make my Stormraven in Imperial Fists colors.... STORMPELICAN AWAYYYY!

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

So where's the "bottom-mounted turret" on the AC-130 Spectre? I mean, it's supposed to be logically designed and it only fires at the ground.

Yet, all the guns are mounted on one side of the plane.

Simply put:
You wouldn't put the weaponry for "shooting the ground" in the bottom on anything that is potentially going to be landing or dropping off troops. Top mounted weaponry (or as we really only see on actual aircraft right now) and waist mounted weaponry make better sense in those situations, simply because it means even when the aircraft is on the ground it can still engage targets.

The Stormraven follows that ideal, and takes up the same method of weapon emplacement that you see on the UH-60 Black Hawk "Direct Action Penetrator" variant, which would have a role similar to the Stormraven. All the weaponry faces forward and is set up to clear a landing zone before they come in.

Does it mean the Stormraven has to alter its flight later on in order to provide ground support?
Yes.

But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AC-13,000 gunship, stormraven version,


Kanluwen does have a point, although I would say the AC-130 is a special case, don't se many planes set up like that, most have nose/front facing weapons

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus?

FM Ninja 048 wrote:AC-13,000 gunship, Stormraven version,


Kanluwen does have a point, although I would say the AC-130 is a special case, don't see many planes set up like that, most have nose/front facing weapons

Well, the thing that makes the AC-130 different from...well, pretty much every other aircraft out there, is that it's meant to "orbit" and remain on station to provide constant, precision(relatively speaking) fire support to the ground forces engaged below.

Even the A-10, which has the same relative role as the AC-130, has to set itself up for strafing runs to bring all its guns to bear.

The Stormraven isn't unique in that regard.

I like that new bird,if I ever got some cash and had my army finished I'd get it.

But I really want to get that new Dread.
And combine it with the Ven Dread to make a really fancy Dread.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

Phew. Thought my memory was finally overloaded!

But yeah. I'm kind of surprised there's no Psycannon option in the box for Knightravens.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:But doesn't the Stormraven have a reinforced forward facing anyways?

AV 12 all round actually.

I thought there was some kind of anti-melta armor on the Stormraven's front facing, or am I just flatout confusing it with the Casteus

Nope, ceramic plating all round. Fluff says its because it's an orbital thingy so needs to withstand extreme heat all round, like the real Thunderhawk.

Phew. Thought my memory was finally overloaded!

But yeah. I'm kind of surprised there's no Psycannon option in the box for Knightravens.

Chances are, you will need to scrounge that one from the obligatory Grey Knights vehicle / upgrade kit in April. A bit like how ork Meks found in the Burnas / Lootas boxed set lacks the arm needed to hold a big shoota / rokkit launcher, which you had to take from a Boyz boxed set which, DERP, only had one of those.

Pft. If that's the case, screw that noise.

Get a Psycannon Razorback turret from FW.

...Which interestingly enough, has been renamed to simply "Psycannon Upgrade" and no longer just says "To upgrade a Daemonhunters Rhino to a Daemonhunters Razorback with Psycannon".

But yeah.

That would look far better on the Knightraven, I think.

Wing and fixed forward weapons seem fine, but the turret still seems odd. It'd be in trouble for close-in firing, I'd think.

It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

Balance wrote:It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

No arguments there!

I really wonder how "fixable" this thing is. I think I need to see the actual kit.

I can see an 'upgrade sprue' getting released around the time of C: GK...

I really don't understand why you would put a melta (short range heat based weapon) on the front of an orbital dropship.

If it were really flying, it would outrun its range before it hit the target.

Saw it in person today. It doesn't photograph well.
The Black Box version came with the flight stand and there is a cruciform socket on the bottom panel.

Fun fact. For all that it looks front heavy and tippy, the model is actually back heavy. Its CG is just behind the rear landing gear.

skrulnik wrote:I really don't understand why you would put a melta (short range heat based weapon) on the front of an orbital dropship.

If it were really flying, it would outrun its range before it hit the target.

Saw it in person today. It doesn't photograph well.
The Black Box version came with the flight stand and there is a cruciform socket on the bottom panel.

Fun fact. For all that it looks front heavy and tippy, the model is actually back heavy. Its CG is just behind the rear landing gear.

it's a terminator capable transport which is an assault vehicle... so it'll be used to drop off marines within 8" (2" disembark, 6" charge) of the enemy. having a multimelta (with a 24" range, not the regular melta you might be thinking) with POTMS to boot is very effective for the role people will use the vehicle in.

Tabletop it works. For the reasons you stated. That isn't why it bugs me.

But as an aircraft armament, I find it suspect.

The only time it will be used is while a unit dumps out right below it. Seems high-risk.
Dunno about you, but having a microwave gun firing over my head would be a bit disconcerting.
They aim a little low, and you got lobsters.

Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

That is why smart Techmarines put the guns in *front* of the side doors...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

That is why smart Techmarines put the guns in *front* of the side doors...

Style over functionality, that's the unofficial motto of my Chapter.

Balance wrote:It's a sci-fi ship and it's down to personal aesthetics, of course. I think it'd look cooler if it was more 'Valkyrie' derived, with multiple side-hatches for Space Marines to deploy from and some sort of enclosed cargo bay where a Dreadnought could be stashed.

That's exactly what I've been suggesting, with a hexagonal cross-section to the hull, two assault doors on either side, and a recess at the rear to protect the Dreadnought during reentry.

You know, it always bothered me that the T-Hawk transporter has ceramic plating to protect itself during entry into orbit, but its cargo of Land Raiders, Rhinos and other tanks don't. I should write a concerned message to Warwick.

boreas wrote:

BrookM wrote:Seeing the rear for the first time I can't help but wonder how a Dread is supposed to fit into that tiny hatch.

That's how:

ROFLMAO!

I like the SR, but gonna have to convert the hell out of the rear. Its just weak, lets the whole model down. Dreads are pretty cool but the filthy libby is pants, especaily his force weapon.

Well, I'm happy - with the wings hacked off and some tracks added, this will make a fabulous battlewagon for my Orks

Some parts of it certainly look a bit odd - I'm sure the various resing accessory manufacturers are already busily designing replacement turrets etc.

Balance wrote:It's also got the common sci-fi plane oddity of a top-mounted turret, when presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

Except it doesn't strafe the ground like a fixed-wing aircraft. Once it comes in from a landing and deploys cargo, I'd imagine it fights exactly as would a modern chopper, a.k.a. gunship. It's even got gunship in the name. I'd assume after delivering it's payload, it simply goes nose down a bit, and then strafes side to side like an Apache, Super Cobra, Hind, or what have you. It looks like it will be in this position when it's on the stand.

skrulnik wrote:Almost as bad as exiting a door in front of large guns, ala the Land Raider.

I've never understood why anyone modeled it like that since you have the option not to.

Balance wrote:presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

We discussed this in another thread. If the turret was fixed underneath, then that means that when the ramp comes down, it'll be shooting through it.

shrike wrote:

Balance wrote:presumably a bottom-mounted turret would make more sense for, you know, shooting the ground.

We discussed this in another thread. If the turret was fixed underneath, then that means that when the ramp comes down, it'll be shooting through it.

lol i was talking about this with the guy in gw, i said that if it wasnt for the ramp a chin mounted razor back style turret would be cool and then jokingly said to put bomb bay style doors in the bottom and kick the marines out whilst its hovering death from above for the win!! lmao

The StormRaven literally allows you to deploy marines in mid-flight so that's pretty much what's happening...

I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

Look forward to seeing some pictures shrike!!!

It'll be in about 3 months, so don't hold your breath...

*waits patiently in a corner somewhere*

Ha, i have plenty of time to wait that long! Im just going to build mine up and leave out the vent and find somewhere to put the turret on, my modelling skills are next to none so will not be plasticarding or greenstuffing the life out it

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

Youd better hope those rappel lines are chains. Space marines are heavy.


Question: Is the storm raven an assault vehicle? If so, I will be forced to replace my land raider with one. Can they scout?


Scouting, moving 6 first turn, assaulting. Foolproof.

I wonder if a Nemesisraven can carry dreadknights.

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

It says that if it moves 12" (full speed), marines can disembark from a point the SR crossed over. SM jump off 2nd storey buildings and make cracks in the pavement. Imagine doing that 4 storeys up onto a 100mph giant conveyor belt, weighing several hundred kilos. Ouch.

Game Play =/= Background.

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:I don't get that part. It's travelling at literally 100mph, flying 10 metres off the ground, and 12 1-tonne space marines jump off it. WTF?!
I might do one, and make some rappelling lines, like SWAT or whatever do it off helicopters. Maybe having the lines connected to each marine's belt? That'd be cool...
I'm gonna have to do that, attached to the belts, swinging down off a gunship, one hand holding onto the line, the other firing the bolter one-handed...

You're neglecting the fact that Power Armour is able to, theoretically, survive reentry from orbit and the Marine inside being fight-capable.

10 meters off the ground at 100 mph is nothing compared to that for a Power Armoured Marine, especially since they'd likely slow down before hitting a deployment zone, let the Marines inside jump out and then the Stormraven fires its engines up then.

It says that if it moves 12" (full speed), marines can disembark from a point the SR crossed over. SM jump off 2nd story buildings and make cracks in the pavement. Imagine doing that 4 stories up onto a 100mph giant conveyor belt, weighing several hundred kilos. Ouch.

So what you're saying is that the ground gives before the Marines do?

I'd say the Marines will be okay. The armor has shock absorption and all kinds of other neat tricks that, along with the Marines' reinforced bone structure, etc means they'll have no problems doing it.

It's also why non-jump pack models need to make a Dangerous Terrain Test when they jump out.

Lines? Why would the need lines? They have grav-chutes.

is there a scale pic of it with a valkyrie yet?

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:is there a scale pic of it with a valkyrie yet?

I haven't yet seen one, and I'd say the Valkyrie is probably it's toughest competition saleswise: it's an awesome looking model that can be repurposed with very little alteration, I think.

I gave in to the dark side and pre-ordered one, because I'm a sucker like that. I don't plan on building it until I see what other people do. I know for sure that top vent is going, and the turret is getting swapped out.

Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

WTF! ITS SMALLER THEN A LANDRAIDER!?!?!

The stormraven is now the most out of scale model in production. I could see 10-12 guardsmen in a valk, but the stormraven is TINY! It is now, truly, the "Chibihawk".

EDIT* I am going from the size of the troop compartment, not the entire craft.

How are you interpreting it's troop compartment as being smaller than a Landraiders? You know the LR doesn't have troops huddled inside it's tracks right?

wait...stormraven-valkyrie...
same size interior...
valk- carries 12 IG...
SR- carries 12 SM...
WTF?! This thing needs to be at least the volume of a LR- similar firpower, same transport capacity, just LR has smaller engines (or so I'd imagine).
The troop holding bit is the same width as a LR's, but is shorter lengthways.
Oh and I really hope someone will make a LR with wings. A second one, without dante riding on top playing guiter on his axe but a DREADNOUGHT RIDING ON TOP PLAYING GUITAR ON IT'S LASCANNON!!!
Hurricane bolters, AC, a front ramp, 2 side ramps, all that's missing is wings and a MM...

plastictrees wrote:How are you interpreting it's troop compartment as being smaller than a Landraiders? You know the LR doesn't have troops huddled inside it's tracks right?

You could fit the troop compartment, which includes the turret/vent forward, all the way to the cockpit. This is holding all the ammunition, all the controls, and 12 space marines WITH JUMPPACKS.

The fact you could fit that section in the footprint of the landraiders troop hold and STILL have room for marines is what makes this so wrong.

You are complaining about scale. From a GW kit. Really.

Actually, models with jump packs count as two models because they are bulky. Says so in the Vampire Marine codex.

Still not seeing the shocking truth behind the SR/LR comparison pic. The SR hull looks to be within a quarter inch of the LR hull in length and definitely appears to be wider.
At least the pilot of the SR is fully accounted for. The LR commander apparently stands on the shoulders of the troops he's carrying.

fair point...I'd love to see a demotivational of that...wouldn't it make more sense to use the vision ports/cameras mounted on it, or at least a periscope?

Just Dave wrote:Game Play =/= Background.

Which remains a huge failing of 40K...

plastictrees wrote:Still not seeing the shocking truth behind the SR/LR comparison pic. The SR hull looks to be within a quarter inch of the LR hull in length and definitely appears to be wider.
At least the pilot of the SR is fully accounted for. The LR commander apparently stands on the shoulders of the troops he's carrying.

On a land raider the crew sits in seats elevated above those being transported, the fact the models don't show that and pictures do is mostly a matter of details being left off the land raider.

Having seen the model in person, it is too small; the troop compartment especially. That section should be at least, at a minimum, an inch to and inch and a half longer. The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't. I think the model really should have been just a smaller thunderhawk and people would have more strongly appreciated it.

shrike wrote:It'll be in about 3 months, so don't hold your breath...

So in 3 months, not only do I expect your rappeling lines, but your chuck norris, and uber rhino

saw the bitz in the store, it doesn't look as bad as the pictures, the pilot's head is very cool.


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it is def wayyy too small to hold marines and a dred..

Happygrunt wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

WTF! ITS SMALLER THEN A LANDRAIDER!?!?!

The stormraven is now the most out of scale model in production. I could see 10-12 guardsmen in a valk, but the stormraven is TINY! It is now, truly, the "Chibihawk".

EDIT* I am going from the size of the troop compartment, not the entire craft.

Hey even in the darkness of the future, traveling long distant in a compact space just means...HUGS! everyone needs hugs in times of war :p

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

Calibanite Lion wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

LOL!
That sounds so last second

Calibanite Lion wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: The model should also show in some way how it carries a dreadnought, which it doesn't..

Yes it does, it's just pretty half-assed.

+1, magna grapple winch in tail boom like one of those teddy grabber machines at the sea side

I'm not imagining a huge one of these on the Battle Barge;



...except full of Dreads.

"Brother Liberas, move here comes the claw!"

Lol that would be so funny

Guys- If the dread-holding mechanism is non-existent/terrible, and I have the right materials, I'll make a giant claw.
also on it will be some marines on rappel lines connected to thier belts, holding on with one hand, firing one-handed with the other. This will take a lot of glue, wire and plasticard, but it'll be funny and so OTT-looking that it'll suit the OTT-ness of BA, even though I'll be painting it in RG colours. anyone got any ideas for the claw's pincers?
EDIT: If it's the right material, I'll make it so the claw is holding a dread, which I can then remove and use in-game.
If it isn't, I'll magnetise the pincers and the dread's torso. Maybe one of these:

My local store had the Stormraven(Chibihawk), and the Furioso kits for looking at, not for sale, just "demo" models, I still wouldn't know whether to run around the room with the thing going "VROOOOOOOOOOOM!" or cuddle the little thing!

Nice details though on both kit, and that includes inside passenger compartment. The box has it painted as both BA and GK, came with GK icons for the kit and confirms that the GK will have it for their own use as well.

I just hope the upcoming GK will have a plastic dread. If not, I'll kitbash the libby dread with a venerable dread. Force weapon and plasma cannon FTW!!!

shrike wrote:I just hope the upcoming GK will have a plastic dread. If not, I'll kitbash the libby dread with a venerable dread.

You don't need any more bloody plastic dreadnoughts.

We need a CSM one and a GK one. That's it.

I reckon the Dread hangs off the rear ramp with one hand, blasting away with the other one.

As the dreadnought capacity of the SR is a big point, you can be sure GKs will get one.

Yay, books with swords! I can't wait, since it is basically confirmed that the Stormraven will be in the GK codex, I guess I'll pre-order one on Wednsday so I can get the measly 10% off to bring it down to $60, then use the rest to buy more paints. Hopefully I can pack a powerful dread on the back to deploy when the codex releases...

puma713 wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).

It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.

Cant be bothered to read 15 pages, but you probably will be able to convert these tacs into assaults with no jumppacks without a problem. There are many spare parts in the DC sprues.

LunaHound wrote:
Of course the angle and such might be off , but worth a shot :3

Thanks very much Luna.

From what I see between the StormRaven & Valkyrie:
- wings are comparable in size
- StormRaven passenger compartment is comparable in size, not Marine-scaled
- StormRaven engines are shorter, but thicker, with much heavier armor.
- StormRaven has larger secondary thrusters
- StormRaven body is shorter and wider, due to lack of pilot/copilot forward nose
- StormRaven has no extended tail boom
- StormRaven tail is deeper and heavier

In general, all StormRaven elements are squatter and broader than their Valkyrie counterparts - the "chibihawk" label is clearly valid.

As I see it, the StormRaven would require considerable rework to make this look acceptable, and that excludes the bizarre oddities of the vertical layout. I think this kit was badly-designed and rushed into production. It is pretty obvious that Jes didn't have a hand in its design.

when doing the comparison on troop capacity how about comparing actual seats, the rhino has 6 seats (3 each side) and land raider has 8 seats (4 each side) and the stormraven 8 seats (4 each side)
on that basis they are all presumably designed with standing passangers or actually its just artistic lisence just like 40k as a whole, how do you get 40 IG troops inc heavy weapons teams in and on a storm lord?

i actually think the 8 seats in the stormraven is proportional considering that just in the front 2/3rds of the craft so there is room for standing passangers in the front and rear still to go.

rather than complain about it use your power as a consumer and dont buy it.

personally i love it and have ordered 1 and will get 2 more ofter that. i can use the turrets on my razorbacks when playing razor spam and back on the raven when playing Air cav. win win in my book

i cant wait to magnetise it to death so i can get all weapon load outs.

I hope I don't have to magnetise it, and that all weapons will be removable like the leman russ ones.

I bought the promo kits from my local gamestore...dreadnought is cool. Stormraven is ok. Definitely not the best GW model to date. It does have a small wench and grapple thingy underneath the tail for a dreadnought.

WarsawTom wrote:I bought the promo kits from my local gamestore.

Make sure that you never give away the name of your local gamestore, or the owner is in big trouble.

Thanks for posting clear pics of the dread mechanism, but really? that thing doesn't look like it could hold a SM, let alone a dreadnought. I'm going with my arcade claw.

Kroothawk wrote:

WarsawTom wrote:I bought the promo kits from my local gamestore.

Make sure that you never give away the name of your local gamestore, or the owner is in big trouble.

Pretty sure that its illegal to sell the promo kit.

It's only trouble when they find out.

For people whining about scale:

How many of you have actually ridden in an APC or a C-130?

It does have a small wench and grapple thingy underneath the tail for a dreadnought.

Pretty sure this is supposed to be winch, not wench.

Pretty sure that its illegal to sell the promo kit.

Not nearly as much as selling a model with a wench.

Stormraven gunship......now with added wenches

[Mod Edit - We're on it.]

Guess someone blew a fuse.

ah whatever! I work there and payed for the kits to paint and display for store use and also use in my own army.

Wench is so much cooler than winch. haha!

niallkissick wrote:Stormraven gunship......now with added wenches

LOLOL! BAAHAHAHAH!

That made my day.

Now that I've seen the Chibi Hawk in person I think I can safely predict the direction of the summer of fliers.

hahaha!!! the wench is a great add on. get served a pint while deploying your units from the Stormraven!!!

btemple0 wrote:For people whining about scale:

How many of you have actually ridden in an APC or a C-130?

I've ridden in an APC.

But then, I'm the size of an Imperial Guardsman.

I'm not a genetically-engineered metahuman standing 8 feet tall and wearing inches-thick Power Armor, possibly wearing a Jumppack roughly the size of a modern refrigerator nor carrying a "Heavy weapon" roughly the size of a modern automotive engine & transmission...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Now that I've seen the Chibi Hawk in person I think I can safely predict the direction of the summer of fliers.

You say chibi vehicles like it's a bad thing...
I stomp over your argument *StompStompStomp*

Who makes those chibi Star Wars toys?

They're so awesome!!

Kilkrazy wrote:Who makes those chibi Star Wars toys?

They're so awesome!!

Hasbro. If you think those are cool, look up Galactic Heroes Slave 1 and Galactic Heroes Rancor

Effing Hell!

The ATAT is £45!!

Bang goes my dream of a chibi Star Wars tabletop demo game.