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Post by: Overread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/21/lockdown-updategw-homepage-post-2/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=WHTV&utm_content=whtvlockdownupdate2104020&fbclid=IwAR3j053SJCWbc1EUxWsg8xzoWC65C_0W36f3fu__EHf3g_9kSZBaxg4cx24
GW is taking tentative steps to re-open some of their stores as some countries/regions are relaxing lockdowns. Stores will still be restricting service so no painting or gaming, purely just there to act as a vendor for selling with social distancing being enforced within the store and, in busy stores, likely restricting how many can enter at once. They note that at present no UK nor US stores will be open and that their GW Factories are still closed. So for now it would be stores operating with whatever they've got on the shelves and potentially whatever is in their local distribution chain.
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Post by: techsoldaten
This would be smart.
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The longer people have to get used to deliveries, the less appealing it will be to go to the store.
Feeling for the one-man GW stores, with nobody to fall back on.
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Post by: Overread
 techsoldaten wrote:This would be smart.
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The longer people have to get used to deliveries, the less appealing it will be to go to the store.
Feeling for the one-man GW stores, with nobody to fall back on.
In places where they are in short supply (most places) the Ebay prices have jumped up. People have been bidding £10 on regular paints!
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Post by: techsoldaten
 Overread wrote: techsoldaten wrote:This would be smart.
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The longer people have to get used to deliveries, the less appealing it will be to go to the store.
Feeling for the one-man GW stores, with nobody to fall back on.
In places where they are in short supply (most places) the Ebay prices have jumped up. People have been bidding £10 on regular paints!
Yeah, supply is going to become volatile for a while. That could be an even worse situation, having prices go past MSRP.
The main point is reopening some stores is a good thing.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Nuln Oil is gonna be more expensive than actual oil in a matter of weeks I think...
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Post by: GaroRobe
Hopefully this will lead to more selection on Ebay, now that people can refill their stocks. Though, if they open in the US, I'd prefer that instead. Buying models on ebay is one thing, but I wouldn't trust buying paints
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Post by: Overread
Oil is currently something like -£30 a barrel right now - so basically everything is more valuable than oil at present.
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Post by: Voss
GaroRobe wrote:Hopefully this will lead to more selection on Ebay, now that people can refill their stocks. Though, if they open in the US, I'd prefer that instead. Buying models on ebay is one thing, but I wouldn't trust buying paints
Given how gacked up the current GW paints can be on the rack in stores, I hesitate on buying them direct from GW online. I'd never do it from a third party.
I've spent an hour in a store before taking every bottle of paint (of colors I specifically wanted) off the rack, shaking them thoroughly, and putting them all back because none of them are in good enough shape to actually buy.
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Post by: JWBS
techsoldaten wrote:
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The couple of things I'm looking for on ebay at the moment (since my usual online retailers obviously don't have reliable restocking) are priced at 150% rrp, ie double what I'd pay from an online discount seller.
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Post by: Ghaz
Overread wrote: techsoldaten wrote:This would be smart.
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The longer people have to get used to deliveries, the less appealing it will be to go to the store.
Feeling for the one-man GW stores, with nobody to fall back on.
In places where they are in short supply (most places) the Ebay prices have jumped up. People have been bidding £10 on regular paints!
On Amazon Nuln Oil is going for $19.20 a pot... 
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Post by: tulun
I hope they do a limited reopening of their warehouses. It would be nice to get some of the orders fulfilled, even if it's done slowly (IE - they do a serious attempt at social distancing in their warehouse).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Very unlikely at the present time.
Yes they could I suppose obey social distancing, but that’s without taking into account any other laws and regulations they’re obliged to follow.
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Post by: Overread
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Very unlikely at the present time.
Yes they could I suppose obey social distancing, but that’s without taking into account any other laws and regulations they’re obliged to follow.
The problem is likely that plastic factories are designed to push out product at a fast rate. The actual machine side they could likely operate with a skeleton crew with safe distancing. I'd imagine the issue would be the packaging side and just keeping up with the machines.
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Post by: techsoldaten
JWBS wrote: techsoldaten wrote:
Right now, anyone who is buying anything is getting their stuff on eBay at 25% off.
The couple of things I'm looking for on ebay at the moment (since my usual online retailers obviously don't have reliable restocking) are priced at 150% rrp, ie double what I'd pay from an online discount seller.
I suspect we're going to see the opposite before this is all over.
There's a lot of hobby stores that don't have a way to sell right now. Even if they have an internet storefront, stay-at-home orders can prevent them from shipping anything.
If GW comes back online around the same time stores can start selling again, it's going to be a buyer's market.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think paint is going to be the big issue post lockdown,
at least 2 factories have retooled to do hand sanitiser instead (coat d'arm and warlord), and I wouldn't be surprised if more have
and once your making it and people are relying on it (especially if it's going into the health service/care homes) it's going to be difficult to stop and go back to paint until the demand ends
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Post by: techsoldaten
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I think paint is going to be the big issue post lockdown,
at least 2 factories have retooled to do hand sanitiser instead (coat d'arm and warlord), and I wouldn't be surprised if more have
and once your making it and people are relying on it (especially if it's going into the health service/care homes) it's going to be difficult to stop and go back to paint until the demand ends
Maybe.
Businesses have an incentive to get back to normal operations and most of them can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
Does anyone know who makes GW's paint? I know it's not done in-house, wonder if we can figure out what company is producing it.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
Good pic. The Stormcast has full PPE, as has the Mechanicus guy (to protect the elderly punk - he's part of the risk-group). The Cadian and the Dark Eldar have to keep safe distance - the Cadian isn't part of a command squad and too poor to pay Forge World prices to get a respirator mask and the Dark Eldar girl too conceited to wear a helmet - can't be helped.
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Post by: zend
Good, I need Customer Service and warehouse to open up soon. A couple models in a Warcry starter I bought last week were broken beyond repair in the box because they still package big boxes with no buffer between kits, which was especially a bad idea in a set that has heavy terrain sprues.
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Post by: Compel
I'm honestly amazed by the complete lack of WTFness going on here.
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak, it's still like...
What the frag?
Like, if it was Kirby in charge, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But with current leadership... I thought they were better.
GW does know that dead people don't make good long term customers, right?
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Post by: Overread
 Compel wrote:I'm honestly amazed by the complete lack of WTFness going on here.
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak, it's still like...
What the frag?
Like, if it was Kirby in charge, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But with current leadership... I thought they were better.
GW does know that dead people don't make good long term customers, right?
This is in countries where lockdowns are ending, not where they are basically at their midpoint like the UK. Of course any reduction in lockdowns is likely to set the whole cycle going again, that's basically almost a given util you can inoculate the population. However it does allow the country to make some return to normality, even if just for a few weeks. Plus the stores are only working just the same as your supermarkets are right now - social distancing; limited customers in the shop; no playing or hanging around. If the countries are reactivating and other shops and services are trading then GW should be able to join in as much as any others where its safe to do so.
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Post by: Jidmah
I'd agree, but how many people are going to be inside a GW store at the same time if you aren't allowed to hang around, paint or game there?
You'd be hard pressed to find a better way to social distance yourself 
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Post by: JWBS
Compel wrote:I'm honestly amazed by the complete lack of WTFness going on here.
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak, it's still like...
What the frag?
Like, if it was Kirby in charge, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But with current leadership... I thought they were better.
GW does know that dead people don't make good long term customers, right?
You seem slightly hysterical.
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Post by: Compel
Compel wrote:
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak
Apparently I was too subtle...
GW is going to have blood on their hands, from both their customers and staff. And it's not going to be a Contrast paint.
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Post by: techsoldaten
Compel wrote:I'm honestly amazed by the complete lack of WTFness going on here.
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak, it's still like...
What the frag?
Like, if it was Kirby in charge, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But with current leadership... I thought they were better.
GW does know that dead people don't make good long term customers, right?
Ordinarily, we don't think about death much, but Covid-19 has been saving lives.
Where I live, mortality is more than 50% below annual averages thanks to stay at home orders. The fact people are not driving is a big factor. Nurses are making Tic-Tok videos at the hospital because there's no one there. The people who have been dying are mostly 70 years or older and the majority had a pre-existing condition.
It's not possible to stay at home forever, but it is possible to control the spread of disease without keeping everyone locked in their homes. The picture you have of availability of testing, PPE, hospital beds, contact tracking, etc may be dated, a lot has happened even over the last week.
And if you're somewhere else other than the US - the borders are closed. We're not coming there, you're not coming here.
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Post by: Overread
Compel wrote: Compel wrote:
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak
Apparently I was too subtle...
GW is going to have blood on their hands, from both their customers and staff. And it's not going to be a Contrast paint.
That's somewhat overblown considering that they will be one of many companies opening up. Supermarkets, pharmasists, restaurants, shoe shops etc... are in the same boat. The thing is you can't just shut the whole world down for 3 years to develop a vaccine. Even if the government just printed money you'll never keep the entire population self isolating for that long. It just won't happen. If anything keep it going too long and protests like the USA has seen would become more widespread. If anything controlled unlock periods are like pressure release on the population and provided that re-applying lockdowns happens quick enough then infections spreading once again (if and when they happen) should be manageable to be done within the health systems limitations. Accepting that most developed countries are also increasing stocks of drugs, PPE, ventilatiors and basic facilities all the time.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Compel wrote: Compel wrote:
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak
Apparently I was too subtle...
GW is going to have blood on their hands, from both their customers and staff. And it's not going to be a Contrast paint.
Ok, so erm what about governments reopening?
Does that also count?
The lockdown was and is only a temporary measure to lower deaths and buy time. And it is a fact of life that people die, as callous as that sounds.
If gw can maintain the security advise , social distancing etc within their Shops and factory which have proven to work then i See no issue with it.
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Post by: JWBS
Blood on their hands guys. Blood on their hands. Was that not emotive enough to be entirely convincing? smh.
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Post by: Compel
I'm angry and disappointed, I get emotive.
Anyway, I've said my piece, screamed into the void, I'm done.
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Post by: Gimgamgoo
Voss wrote:Given how gacked up the current GW paints can be on the rack in stores, I hesitate on buying them direct from GW online. I'd never do it from a third party.
I've spent an hour in a store before taking every bottle of paint (of colors I specifically wanted) off the rack, shaking them thoroughly, and putting them all back because none of them are in good enough shape to actually buy.
Sheesh. Find a better brand. They clearly can't be that good quality if you have to do that to buy them - at a higher price than any other manufacturer (for less).
OT.
Many other online stores are still open, or like TTcombat, reopening. I wonder how long till GW online is running again.
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Post by: Overread
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
OT.
Many other online stores are still open, or like TTcombat, reopening. I wonder how long till GW online is running again.
TTC and a lot of smaller firms can sometimes spread out production because its resin casting so slower. Thus the whole production and packing side can be downsized. I suspect one issue GW has is that their plastic machines are designed to churn out models very fast, which then requires more pickers to pick and pack. Trying to downsize the latter half might not merge well with machinery and a production system designed to shift large volumes. Plus GW might feel that even if they re-opened the factory on limited staff they'd never be able to get things back in stock in a timely fashion.
Plus the UK postal network is snarled up. Whilst post is still getting through its being delayed and its overloaded. A mix of lower staff and people buying like its a prolonged Christmas.
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Post by: Theophony
While I’m all for getting my plastic crack habit back, I think it’s too soon.
Reopen the online. Sure.
Reopen distribution to their main accounts. Sure.
Opening stores where anyone can go in without knowing if the customers are clear or not (since asymptotic seems to be pervasive with this virus) is reckless. I trust the GW guy to know if someone is playing Nurgle, but not to take temperatures or ask the qualifying questions.
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Post by: Jidmah
The concept in their article is basically the same as all the stores here in Germany are using since this week, with masks already being mandatory in some cities and states and probably for everyone by the end of the week.
They all have a maximum number of customers they allow inside and many have a route you have to walk along, no more free exploring/wandering about so you can't bump into other customers. You go in, buy whatever you need, pay with a contactless payment method if possible and leave.
For really small stores, they put a table into their door where you can tell them what you want from a distance and they get it for you.
I see no reason why GW can't be open if the same concept has worked for hardware stores and art supplies for most of the pandemic.
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Post by: Overread
 Jidmah wrote:
For really small stores, they put a table into their door where you can tell them what you want from a distance and they get it for you..
This is actually how many stores used to work until quite recently. The whole idea of you, the customer, walking around picking up whatever you wanted is quite new. In the past the shopkeeper fetched what you required and showed you thinks to look at. There was far less browsing as such as we know it today and even when you browsed you weren't picking it up.
Of course commercially its been proven that browsing helps increase sales, hence why its proven popular; and it also lets you serve many more customers and have large inventories and wider ranges of products etc... But short term I could certainly see GW being able to do that; esp for return customers.
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Post by: Jidmah
Maybe, but my experience with the stores I have been to (which are as little as possible) is that the vast majority of people aren't browsing, but buying what they came for and leave as soon as possible. Both because they don't want to be infected either and because there tend to be lines outside stores and people are waiting for you to leave.
Smaller stores (anything than supports less than twenty people) even ask you to leave if you start browsing.
To apply this to a GW store, I fully expect people to go in there, beeline for the painting rack/shelf with their army on it, get what they need, pay and leave. Then the next customer enters.
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Post by: Ghaz
My local shops are almost all doing curbside service. Call in your order and they will let you know what they have. Drive to the store and give them a call to let them now you've arrived. They'll bring out your order and the wireless credit card reader to pay and then you're good to go.
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Post by: GaroRobe
From the artwork, it does appear that they'll be doing a version of the "five customers at a time" schtick. So I imagine they'll have lines of people waiting outside to come in, just to buy. No gaming, etc.
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Post by: BrianDavion
I'm hoping the local GW here will be able to open, BC's been really falltening the curve. my FEAR is even if my entire country has it beat we'll be screwed because we're effectively joined at the hip with the US US distribution wise and the US... has a long way to go
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Post by: Crazyterran
BrianDavion wrote:I'm hoping the local GW here will be able to open, BC's been really falltening the curve. my FEAR is even if my entire country has it beat we'll be screwed because we're effectively joined at the hip with the US US distribution wise and the US... has a long way to go
Flattening the curve is great, but if we reopen it's just going to spike up again.
The real test will be in a week or so when we find out what happened with everyone going out over the Easter long weekend...
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Post by: Tastyfish
Compel wrote:I'm angry and disappointed, I get emotive.
Anyway, I've said my piece, screamed into the void, I'm done.
They're not doing it in the UK and the US, including their factories. They're also not doing it anywhere right now.
But if NZ starts to open up having largely beaten the virus, no reason to keep the stores there closed.
This update is aimed more at this kind of thing - it's an international business with it's factories located in two of the worst hit countries, so even if the NZ branches open up this is a reminder that they're not going to be able to restock other than things that are already in the country.
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Post by: Tygre
Here in NZ we are going down to level 3 lockdown, from level 4, after the ANZAC weekend. Under level 3 GW stores would still not allowed to be open. Only essential businesses are allowed open and food delivery/contactless pickup. Our Govt does not consider GW stores to be essential. We may disagree however.
The article looks like what we are having with supermarkets. Only a certain number allowed in the store at one time and 2m+ between customers.
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Post by: BrianDavion
 Crazyterran wrote:BrianDavion wrote:I'm hoping the local GW here will be able to open, BC's been really falltening the curve. my FEAR is even if my entire country has it beat we'll be screwed because we're effectively joined at the hip with the US US distribution wise and the US... has a long way to go
Flattening the curve is great, but if we reopen it's just going to spike up again..
I know.. I just want my plastic crack so can't blame me for hoping things get well eneugh for it to happen here soon *withdrawl shakes* 
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Post by: tneva82
Presumably Finland would get store opened up in first wave. Whopping 1 store But stores as a whole have been staying open including the FLGS.
German looks obvious candinate seeing they are easing up restrictions. Ditto for norway and wasn't denmark easing up?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Dryaktylus wrote:Good pic. The Stormcast has full PPE, as has the Mechanicus guy (to protect the elderly punk - he's part of the risk-group). The Cadian and the Dark Eldar have to keep safe distance - the Cadian isn't part of a command squad and too poor to pay Forge World prices to get a respirator mask and the Dark Eldar girl too conceited to wear a helmet - can't be helped.
Made me look...
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Post by: Yodhrin
Overread wrote: Of course any reduction in lockdowns is likely to set the whole cycle going again, that's basically almost a given util you can inoculate the population.
It really isn't though. A sufficiently rigorous testing, contact tracing, and quarantining regime coupled with some modest behavioural adjustments(moderate physical distancing and probably wearing masks in public) and a continued ban on large social gatherings/events allows the lockdown to be lifted while still bringing the outbreak under control. The point of the lockdown in sane countries is to bring the rate of infection down to the point where test & trace can work, and to build testing capacity - it's only the herd immunity zealots and talk radio numpties who're peddling the false choice between "lockdown/s until a vaccine" or "let 'er rip!".
Providing GW is only reopening in places that have adopted the above strategy, I don't think that's irresponsible. If they do just start opening stores because a given government says they can regardless of other factors, yeah that's a Tim Martin-tier dick move.
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Post by: Albertorius
techsoldaten wrote:Ordinarily, we don't think about death much, but Covid-19 has been saving lives.
Where I live, mortality is more than 50% below annual averages thanks to stay at home orders. The fact people are not driving is a big factor. Nurses are making Tic-Tok videos at the hospital because there's no one there. The people who have been dying are mostly 70 years or older and the majority had a pre-existing condition.
That must be nice. Here in Madrid, OTOH, we've needed to put bodies on an ice rink because all the morgues were full. Then, we needed to find another place to put more, because the ice rink filled, too.
And it's not just "old people" or "people with conditions" either. Except for children, it's basically killing whoever the feth it wants. And nurses.
Don't tell me that "Covid-19 has been saving lives" when we have so many thousands of bodies that we can't even keep up burning them.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Compel wrote: Compel wrote:
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak
Apparently I was too subtle...
GW is going to have blood on their hands, from both their customers and staff. And it's not going to be a Contrast paint.
No, they aren't. Calm down.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Here, if anyone ends up with blood on hands, it’d be governments lifting lockdown too early.
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Post by: Albertorius
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Here, if anyone ends up with blood on hands, it’d be governments lifting lockdown too early.
Mainly, yes, unless a company decides to to something their local govenrment don't allow.
OTOH, any company can decide to adhere to a more strict set of restrictions, if it so chooses.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Here, if anyone ends up with blood on hands, it’d be governments lifting lockdown too early.
I think there needs to be targeted approaches to restrictions, rather than a blanket set of rules/guidelines. especially as its fairly clear that we cant be kept in this state indefinitely.
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Post by: Banville
 Albertorius wrote: techsoldaten wrote:Ordinarily, we don't think about death much, but Covid-19 has been saving lives.
Where I live, mortality is more than 50% below annual averages thanks to stay at home orders. The fact people are not driving is a big factor. Nurses are making Tic-Tok videos at the hospital because there's no one there. The people who have been dying are mostly 70 years or older and the majority had a pre-existing condition.
That must be nice. Here in Madrid, OTOH, we've needed to put bodies on an ice rink because all the morgues were full. Then, we needed to find another place to put more, because the ice rink filled, too.
And it's not just "old people" or "people with conditions" either. Except for children, it's basically killing whoever the feth it wants. And nurses.
Don't tell me that "Covid-19 has been saving lives" when we have so many thousands of bodies that we can't even keep up burning them.
This. If anyone is at all under the impression that this thing just kills old people, think again. Healthy nurses and doctors in their 30s are dropping like flies with this thing. In Ireland the government has set up temporary morgues just like in Spain. Our death rate has increased by 50% over a month. Normally 80 people a day pass away, that's gone up to between 120-160. There's been mass burials in New York for goodness' sake.
I can't see responsible governments allowing a shop that sells toy soldiers to open up any time soon.
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Post by: stonehorse
£10 for GW paint... That is bonkers. Pretty sure Army Painter are still doing deliveries. Sure their P&P can be a bit high of you do a small order, bit big orders get free P&P.
Back on topic. Really hope GW can keep their staff safe while doing a phased re-opening.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
people are crazy. I couldnt say whether its just a fanboy thing where some people are too stubborn and wont use other brands, or maybe they dont know about the other brands. I've just looked at Vallejo on amazon and they are selling at normal price.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
For me it’s not having an artistic bone in my body.
Thankfully snaffled the Contrast ones I needed from Darksphere, so good to go on my Ossiarchs.
But if they weren’t available, I wouldn’t know where to start to find matching colours for the existing GW paints in my collection. So, nothing against other lines, just zero knowledge in them, and zero confidence in my own abilities.
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Post by: BertBert
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:people are crazy. I couldnt say whether its just a fanboy thing where some people are too stubborn and wont use other brands, or maybe they dont know about the other brands. I've just looked at Vallejo on amazon and they are selling at normal price.
A lot of it has to do with people being introduced to wargaming and spending a lot of their hobby time in GW stores, where GW products are naturally being promoted as superior. For some people it's hard to get rid of this induced bias, especially younger customers.
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Post by: tneva82
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:For me it’s not having an artistic bone in my body.
Thankfully snaffled the Contrast ones I needed from Darksphere, so good to go on my Ossiarchs.
But if they weren’t available, I wouldn’t know where to start to find matching colours for the existing GW paints in my collection. So, nothing against other lines, just zero knowledge in them, and zero confidence in my own abilities.
Yep.
Nobody has yet been able to give 100% match to ulthuan grey in army painter(only non- gw i can get without mail order. Any range that needs mail order is viable only as specific colour for specific use) range. Have asked, nobody can provide 100% matching shae. Not 99%, not 50%
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Post by: Banville
queen_annes_revenge wrote:people are crazy. I couldnt say whether its just a fanboy thing where some people are too stubborn and wont use other brands, or maybe they dont know about the other brands. I've just looked at Vallejo on amazon and they are selling at normal price.
Also, this. Vallejo are wonderful paints. Ditto army painter and P3.
The 'hobby' isn't just GW. Time to branch out and throw some other companies a few shekels. As for them not exactly matching GW's colours, unless you do a chemical analysis of the models literally nobody is going to know the difference. Especially when you throw a few washes or glazes over them.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
There’s also the normal convenience.
In my town, I’m lucky enough to have two sources of Citadel paints within walking distance. That of course means when I need to get a new pot, I can just take a wander up the hill to town (or drive if I really can’t be bothered) and grab what I need.
That’s more convenient for me than looking to mail order. Nothing to do with the relevant properties, pros and cons of different ranges. I’m just all about the convenience.
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Post by: Overread
Yeah but no matter what paint brand you choose, once you're comitted you're more likely to stick with it till your whole army is painted up. Also many people are not artistic so they paint to a formula. If their paint isn't sold they can't keep to the formula and process and they don't have experience/confidence to branch out.
So they stick to the brand they know.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Yeah but we're talking about fools paying £10 for pots of paint on ebay.
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Post by: Huron black heart
Compel wrote: Compel wrote:
Like even, even if you accept that this is only in some countries that have gone past the peak
Apparently I was too subtle...
GW is going to have blood on their hands, from both their customers and staff. And it's not going to be a Contrast paint.
Ridiculous, if GW do reopen you don't have to go there. If you choose to that's up to you.
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Post by: tneva82
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There’s also the normal convenience.
In my town, I’m lucky enough to have two sources of Citadel paints within walking distance. That of course means when I need to get a new pot, I can just take a wander up the hill to town (or drive if I really can’t be bothered) and grab what I need.
That’s more convenient for me than looking to mail order. Nothing to do with the relevant properties, pros and cons of different ranges. I’m just all about the convenience.
Yep. Do I order bottle of paint I need, pay like twice the cost of bottle for shipping or order something I don't need just to get free shipping if even possible(not from domestic stores). If from non domestic for maximum price saving and free shipping 2 week+ delivery time...
Or go to FLGS and pick up. Ergo only GW or army painter. I use them both depending on shade needed. As I have plenty of armies I started painting before store took AP range. So any replacement needs to be exact shade match
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Post by: Danny76
Also, in every country there will come a point when stores like this start to reopen, government allowing etc.
But the virus won’t be gone at that point. There will still be deaths, and hard times etc.
In the UK they are constantly saying we are protecting the NHS doing all this. Never we are waiting out the virus etc.
because it’s all about relieving pressure so they can deal with patients at a workable rate. Which will go on for year/s. Even with the vaccine finally in place and all solutions etc. it will still be around and there will be deaths and difficulties etc.
But imagine everything still being shut still the whole time.
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Separate note. I saw the Macragge Blue, Black, Gold set of three from conquest on eBay in sets for £15-18 posted. Ridiculous.
And I look over at the 4/5 sets I’ve got and think, I really should throw them on, but not sure I could do it..
I’ve just made as many projects as I can Blue..
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Post by: Jidmah
To me, the appeal is that I can be sure that I can still buy the exact same color I used for my models 10 years ago and will still be able to buy it 10 years from now. I want my orks to be the same green no matter when I bought them. If I ever need help with paint, there will always be a person that knows exactly what colors to layer in what way to get the effect I want. I have experimented a bit with army painter stuff, but to me, it's quite difficult to find which of their paints end up being the same color as something I saw on pictures or videos. I still use their primers though, they seem to be of better quality than GW's for most colors. Lastly, I use paints to support my local stores, because I'm as sure as heck not going to buy models without a discount. Automatically Appended Next Post: Danny76 wrote:Separate note. I saw the Macragge Blue, Black, Gold set of three from conquest on eBay in sets for £15-18 posted. Ridiculous.
And I look over at the 4/5 sets I’ve got and think, I really should throw them on, but not sure I could do it..
I’ve just made as many projects as I can Blue..
Well, time to start a custom chapter with black/blue/gold paint scheme
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Post by: Huron black heart
Jidmah wrote:To me, the appeal is that I can be sure that I can still buy the exact same color I used for my models 10 years ago and will still be able to buy it 10 years from now. I want my orks to be the same green no matter when I bought them.
If I ever need help with paint, there will always be a person that knows exactly what colors to layer in what way to get the effect I want.
I have experimented a bit with army painter stuff, but to me, it's quite difficult to find which of their paints end up being the same color as something I saw on pictures or videos. I still use their primers though, they seem to be of better quality than GW's for most colors.
Lastly, I use paints to support my local stores, because I'm as sure as heck not going to buy models without a discount.
Are you referring to GW paints? They annoyingly change their range quite regularly just so you have to keep buying the newer ones to keep up to date with their painting guides.
If you were referring to other ranges I misread your message and agree.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Yeah the whole, I want the same paints, argument doesn't really wash in my opinion. Learn to mix your tones. You think Picasso was moaning because he couldn't get the same pigments from the same sellers?
But by the same token, I support your right to overspend on a product if you wish.
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Post by: Karhedron
Danny76 wrote:Also, in every country there will come a point when stores like this start to reopen, government allowing etc.
But the virus won’t be gone at that point. There will still be deaths, and hard times etc.
Yes, likely this will become a seasonal thing like the flu where at-risk people need to get a shot every year and the rest of us hope we don't catch it too often.
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Post by: Jidmah
 Huron black heart wrote:Are you referring to GW paints? They annoyingly change their range quite regularly just so you have to keep buying the newer ones to keep up to date with their painting guides.
If you were referring to other ranges I misread your message and agree.
Every store that has a painting rack has the list with the three generations of paint names attached to it. No color has disappeared, they only have been renamed. Gunmetal, Boltgun Metal and Leadbelcher are the same color.
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Post by: Overread
Yeah but there's always people with more money. For someone who perhaps earns thousands a week and who has no financial worries that £10 is worth it to them and is a drop in the ocean compared to their income. For many of us its an obscene price that we'd not pay even if we could afford it because we cannot justify such a cost for something that we know will be back in stock and sold as normal before the year is over.
There's also those who might rely on painting as a really powerful mental crutch during these chaotic times; where £10 to keep going is worth it to them for the peace of mind it brings etc...
Also on ebay it only takes two people to take a price that high; so its not representative of the whole population of gamers .
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Post by: Jidmah
queen_annes_revenge wrote:Yeah the whole, I want the same paints, argument doesn't really wash in my opinion. Learn to mix your tones. You think Picasso was moaning because he couldn't get the same pigments from the same sellers?
The difference between me and Picasso is that I hate painting as much as going to the dentist. If GW would sell pre-painted miniatures, I wouldn't even own a paint brush. I don't want to learn to mix my tones because I don't want to waste more time than necessary on something I hate. I don't want to cope with the whole "how did I mix this green seven years ago?" BS all those self-proclaimed Picassos facing. If one of the greens I need for my ork's skin is empty, I take the empty pot to my local store, shove it in their face and get a new one, maybe with a more copyright-able name. And I will be able to do it as long as there are ork miniatures. Making something that I hate but can't get around more comfortable and faster is a perfectly fine way spend money. I can always get more money, I can't get more time.
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Post by: tneva82
queen_annes_revenge wrote:Yeah the whole, I want the same paints, argument doesn't really wash in my opinion. Learn to mix your tones. You think Picasso was moaning because he couldn't get the same pigments from the same sellers?
And you can mix 100% exact shade every time without wasting paint and taking no longer than few seconds?
Good luck proving that. You try to claim that, I call you a liar.
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Post by: Jackal90
It’s the usual people gouging prices just because they can.
Sadly that’s just human greed as per normal.
And as per normal, human desperation feeds it.
People aren’t stupid or bad for wanting GW paints though.
For some, it’s a comfort zone as they know the paints inside out and how they work.
Telling someone to learn a different brand just because you may use them instead is really just sad.
It’s a hobby, people use whatever they want.
Since we are walking that route though, anyone here buying P3, GW etc is also foolish.
Ikea sells paints for £1 per 4.
I’ve seen a few people paint models up using those to insanely high standards so why don’t you guys learn to use them if your worried about paint prices?
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Post by: Jidmah
Overread wrote:
Yeah but there's always people with more money. For someone who perhaps earns thousands a week and who has no financial worries that £10 is worth it to them and is a drop in the ocean compared to their income. For many of us its an obscene price that we'd not pay even if we could afford it because we cannot justify such a cost for something that we know will be back in stock and sold as normal before the year is over.
This. We have a new player who started out a xenos faction by simply buying everything he would ever need: all characters, all troops six times, everything else three times. He wouldn't bat an eye at paying 10 bucks for paint.
Personally, I stocked up on all paints threatening to become empty when GW announced going offline.
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Post by: Jackal90
Jidmah wrote: Overread wrote:
Yeah but there's always people with more money. For someone who perhaps earns thousands a week and who has no financial worries that £10 is worth it to them and is a drop in the ocean compared to their income. For many of us its an obscene price that we'd not pay even if we could afford it because we cannot justify such a cost for something that we know will be back in stock and sold as normal before the year is over.
This. We have a new player who started out a xenos faction by simply buying everything he would ever need: all characters, all troops six times, everything else three times. He wouldn't bat an eye at paying 10 bucks for paint.
Personally, I stocked up on all paints threatening to become empty when GW announced going offline.
While along the same lines and slightly OT at the same time, I watched a guy go into my local GW and drop £700 for his order he placed.
He then complained about having to pay 50p for 5 bags lol.
Money works in strange ways.
I do agree though.
To some they need to stretch what they have and make it work.
To others, they burn more than that in fuel just driving to a shop anyway.
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Post by: JWBS
Online sale where I get £50 off my £300 spend? Wow, sign me up no questions asked! What's that you say - £3 postage? Well now I have to really question some of my spending choices (this is me).
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Post by: Lammia
There are still parts of the world that don't have community transmission and multiple GW stores. As long as rules are obeyed, there's no reason why they can't trade. Like a paint and model cafe.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Lammia wrote:There are still parts of the world that don't have community transmission and multiple GW stores. As long as rules are obeyed, there's no reason why they can't trade. Like a paint and model cafe.
Pretty much this.
Seriously, what’s the difference here between a supermarket, where thousands of people will visit a day, and a GW which, from my own experience working for them, might do 20-30 transactions on a busy day?
There’s no Hobby to happen, just shopping. All the stores I’ve seen (about....10, maybe 11?) have layouts conducive to the required social distancing. So even if multiple people are wanting to buy at the same time, the risks are minimised.
So when lockdowns are relaxed by the relevant government, there’s not much reason why a GW can’t open with relative safety.
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Post by: Albertorius
If that's the only thing they're allowing, why not just limit it to pick up in store? Call in advance, have the stuff ready for you when you arrive, pay, go.
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Post by: Huron black heart
Albertorius wrote:If that's the only thing they're allowing, why not just limit it to pick up in store? Call in advance, have the stuff ready for you when you arrive, pay, go.
This makes sense, and to be honest if my local GW reopened I'd message them one way or another just to make sure they actually have what I want, may as well get it ready to be collected.
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Post by: Lammia
I mean, that's basically what's going to happen. But you also don't want to spell out exactly what will happen, as details may change between locations and times
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Post by: Symbiote
For what it's worth, the GW shops in Denmark are closed, but other game/model shops are still open. I've been a relatively frequent customer of Faraos Cigarer, since I live just a few minutes walk away. Over half of the Citadel colours were sold out last week, and they weren't expecting a restock for at least a month, so I now have some Vallejo paints. A few of those were sold out too. The 40K/AoS models have also sold well, there were plenty of gaps on the shelves. (They also fulfill online orders in Denmark from this shop.)
I wonder how much stock is in the UK -- all shops might face stock problems for a while.
The restriction was for shopping centres to close (so the general hobby/craft shop in that is closed), but GW were not required to close their shops here.
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Post by: terry
the warhammer store here is opening, but with a max of 2 customers and all goverment regulations are being uphold
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Post by: Overread
terry wrote:the warhammer store here is opening, but with a max of 2 customers and all goverment regulations are being uphold
Is that a GW store and are you in the UK? (your profile flag says you are). Only I was under the impression nothing in the UK was opening up for GW.
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Post by: catbarf
Jidmah wrote: Huron black heart wrote:Are you referring to GW paints? They annoyingly change their range quite regularly just so you have to keep buying the newer ones to keep up to date with their painting guides.
If you were referring to other ranges I misread your message and agree.
Every store that has a painting rack has the list with the three generations of paint names attached to it. No color has disappeared, they only have been renamed. Gunmetal, Boltgun Metal and Leadbelcher are the same color.
This just isn't true. Nurgling Green is less yellow and more green than Rotting Flesh. Rhinox Hide is darker and less red than Scorched Brown. GW renames their paints when they switch manufacturers, and those new manufacturers rarely match the colors they're replacing. In some cases they're really quite different.
I miss Kommando Khaki. Zandri Dust is nowhere close.
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Post by: Red Corsair
 catbarf wrote: Jidmah wrote: Huron black heart wrote:Are you referring to GW paints? They annoyingly change their range quite regularly just so you have to keep buying the newer ones to keep up to date with their painting guides.
If you were referring to other ranges I misread your message and agree.
Every store that has a painting rack has the list with the three generations of paint names attached to it. No color has disappeared, they only have been renamed. Gunmetal, Boltgun Metal and Leadbelcher are the same color.
This just isn't true. Nurgling Green is less yellow and more green than Rotting Flesh. Rhinox Hide is darker and less red than Scorched Brown. GW renames their paints when they switch manufacturers, and those new manufacturers rarely match the colors they're replacing. In some cases they're really quite different.
I miss Kommando Khaki. Zandri Dust is nowhere close.
Yea I was going to respond earlier, screamer pink =/= warlock purple. Khorne red =/= scab red etc. Delvan Mud and agrax aren't the same either.
Paint is made in lots as well, so you find slight variance even between the same colors. It's why they assign lot numbers on the pots. I have two pots of Khorne red, one is ever so lightly more purple then the other. Not enough to matter but if one of those pots said Vallejo suddenly it would to some folks 
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
tneva82 wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:Yeah the whole, I want the same paints, argument doesn't really wash in my opinion. Learn to mix your tones. You think Picasso was moaning because he couldn't get the same pigments from the same sellers?
And you can mix 100% exact shade every time without wasting paint and taking no longer than few seconds?
Good luck proving that. You try to claim that, I call you a liar.
One, harsh and unnecessary.
Two, paints and dyes are never guaranteed exact matches unless you buy from the same batch (which is why some lines record batch numbers), so "exact" is irrelevant here.
Three, if you learn to mix colors, yeah, it doesn't take long to get plenty close.
Four, while Picasso radically attacked artistic conventions and changed them, if we're talking about craft rather than the politics of aesthetics, big-deal artists are hella particular, so one could definitely pitch a fit about materials.
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Post by: Jidmah
I'm sorry to hear that, but for the roughly twenty paints of old I've had to replace, the only one which didn't match almost perfectly is devian mud.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
tneva82 wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:Yeah the whole, I want the same paints, argument doesn't really wash in my opinion. Learn to mix your tones. You think Picasso was moaning because he couldn't get the same pigments from the same sellers?
And you can mix 100% exact shade every time without wasting paint and taking no longer than few seconds?
Good luck proving that. You try to claim that, I call you a liar.
I never did. but painting small models, you dont have to be exactly the same each time. Close enough, no one will notice. Automatically Appended Next Post: Overread wrote:terry wrote:the warhammer store here is opening, but with a max of 2 customers and all goverment regulations are being uphold
Is that a GW store and are you in the UK? (your profile flag says you are). Only I was under the impression nothing in the UK was opening up for GW.
I too am curious about this. not that I'm going to go, but it may be an indicator of things to come.
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Post by: alphaecho
Danny76 wrote:Also, in every country there will come a point when stores like this start to reopen, government allowing etc.
But the virus won’t be gone at that point. There will still be deaths, and hard times etc.
In the UK they are constantly saying we are protecting the NHS doing all this. Never we are waiting out the virus etc.
because it’s all about relieving pressure so they can deal with patients at a workable rate. Which will go on for year/s. Even with the vaccine finally in place and all solutions etc. it will still be around and there will be deaths and difficulties etc.
But imagine everything still being shut still the whole time.
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Separate note. I saw the Macragge Blue, Black, Gold set of three from conquest on eBay in sets for £15-18 posted. Ridiculous.
And I look over at the 4/5 sets I’ve got and think, I really should throw them on, but not sure I could do it..
I’ve just made as many projects as I can Blue..
I'm growing into my use of Nuln Oil and so on. I'm glad Conquest has provided me with so much.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
If washes are a problem, you might try experimenting with oil washes. I use them more than acryllic washes now.
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Post by: alphaecho
queen_annes_revenge wrote:If washes are a problem, you might try experimenting with oil washes. I use them more than acryllic washes now.
If that advice was for me, thank you.
At present though, I've only just moved on from painting to a basic tabletop standard to doing some more experimenting.
Through my Conquest sub I've picked up a couple of Nuln Oils, Reikland Fleashade, Athonian Camoshade and so on. As a result, unlike some of the more prolific painters on here, I am in no danger of a shortage.
The idea of ending up in an eBay bidding frenzy over paint wouldn't occur to me. If you run out, move to painting more models then come back to the shading once stocks are readily available at retail prices.
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Post by: BrookM
Around here everything is still in lockdown until the 20th of May at the very least. GW UK may start operations back up before then and send out all the mail orders they've been holding onto for a month now as of typing this, but I very much doubt it.
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
UK Based. My FLGS is telling me that GW will be partially re-opening next week. This will be limited to Mail order and re-stocking FLGS. So confident of this is the owner that they are now compiling a re-stock order for Monday and adding orders from shop regulars.
If anyone believes that you can't do this during lockdown then think again. Warlord Games (less than a mile away from GW HQ) has been running with a skeleton crew since Thursday last week fulfilling Mail orders and FLGS re-stocks. Albeit it's taking longer than usual to complete your orders, but they are casting and sending stuff out.
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Post by: JWBS
Plenty of hobby businesses have been operational throughout this lockdown, the only real (well, the most serious) impediment to trade being the lack of GW product restocking.
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Post by: Overread
Lets not forget many supermarkets have operated safely and they have to deal with the public passing through every day so its far more at-risk.
In theory if GW can keep staff at safe distances; use masks and other appropriate PPE; washdown surfaces and regular areas; stagger breaks and other normally social periods and keep tabs on their staff so that if any do get infected they can put into isolation those who have also come into contact with that staff member; then in theory they could start to re-activate portions of their company.
Far as I know retail on the highstreet will be closed; but GW could start production and shipping and distribution to 3rd party stores and online.
As noted several other companies have already re-activated along similar lines and some have not even closed. I know many of the one or two-person companies have not changed at all (esp since their "factories" are often at home anyway).
I would hope that GW remains fair to staff and those who choose to remain in isolation are permitted to do so without punishment - which seems to be a given during these times.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Store Managers tend to have a decent amount of leeway.
So I can see ‘table by the door, and I’ll grab what you need’ being perfectly acceptable. I mean, as long as those wanting to buy can buy? What’s the odds to HQ?
Mind you, I feel a bit of an arse at the moment as just before this all properly hit, i cleared out my local GW of Ossiarch kits. Not sure they got restocked!
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Post by: Overread
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mind you, I feel a bit of an arse at the moment as just before this all properly hit, i cleared out my local GW of Ossiarch kits. Not sure they got restocked!
I was checking kits for my armies today on a few of the big online stores (Eldar, Ossiarchs, Daughters of Khaine). Almost nothing in stock at all. A few kits here and there for each one, but almost all was gone.
That said don't feel like an arse - get those kits built! They are made to be built and enjoyed. Besides I know that given time GW will return to full production and the kits will flood back to the shelves and appear in stock once again. Heck with the number of people clearing backlogs of models (myself slowly included as well); GW might well see some big boom sales; esp from some who might find renewed energy once their "pile of shame" is a little smaller!
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Post by: Bellerophon
Overread wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mind you, I feel a bit of an arse at the moment as just before this all properly hit, i cleared out my local GW of Ossiarch kits. Not sure they got restocked!
I was checking kits for my armies today on a few of the big online stores (Eldar, Ossiarchs, Daughters of Khaine). Almost nothing in stock at all. A few kits here and there for each one, but almost all was gone.
That said don't feel like an arse - get those kits built! They are made to be built and enjoyed. Besides I know that given time GW will return to full production and the kits will flood back to the shelves and appear in stock once again. Heck with the number of people clearing backlogs of models (myself slowly included as well); GW might well see some big boom sales; esp from some who might find renewed energy once their "pile of shame" is a little smaller!
When the lockdown started I ordered a fair amount of stuff from my FLGS because I figured I should support them in these difficult times, even though my shame pile is pretty huge. A bit like Mad Doc, felt like a bit of an arse for buying stuff that others might have wanted given I've got so many other things to work on. I imagine shops didn't really need much help clearing out the stock that they already had (as the fact that most stuff is now out of stock shows), and that the best way to support the local store would be to place a big order once GW are up and running again. So I'll probably do that too. But once GW starts shipping again I imagine that production will be reduced due to distancing measures and there will be a lot of demand from people who've run out of kits to do in the meantime, so maybe even then I should hold off for a while to let those folks get some new kits in.
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Post by: terry
Overread wrote:terry wrote:the warhammer store here is opening, but with a max of 2 customers and all goverment regulations are being uphold
Is that a GW store and are you in the UK? (your profile flag says you are). Only I was under the impression nothing in the UK was opening up for GW.
its an official GW store, but the flag is wrong. I'm from the Netherlands
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
The UK needs to start doing this. businesses need to find workarounds and start to get rolling again. the government cant pay people to stay at home indefinitely. theres no reason we cant take a targeted approach to businesses, rather than this blanket lockdown strategy
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Post by: Not Online!!!
queen_annes_revenge wrote:The UK needs to start doing this. businesses need to find workarounds and start to get rolling again. the government cant pay people to stay at home indefinitely. theres no reason we cant take a targeted approach to businesses, rather than this blanket lockdown strategy
Considering protestors can't even achieve basic social distancing guidelines i question it atleast in some places.
If the basic guidelines are propperly followed though i agree with you completely.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
 Bellerophon wrote: Overread wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mind you, I feel a bit of an arse at the moment as just before this all properly hit, i cleared out my local GW of Ossiarch kits. Not sure they got restocked!
I was checking kits for my armies today on a few of the big online stores (Eldar, Ossiarchs, Daughters of Khaine). Almost nothing in stock at all. A few kits here and there for each one, but almost all was gone.
That said don't feel like an arse - get those kits built! They are made to be built and enjoyed. Besides I know that given time GW will return to full production and the kits will flood back to the shelves and appear in stock once again. Heck with the number of people clearing backlogs of models (myself slowly included as well); GW might well see some big boom sales; esp from some who might find renewed energy once their "pile of shame" is a little smaller!
When the lockdown started I ordered a fair amount of stuff from my FLGS because I figured I should support them in these difficult times, even though my shame pile is pretty huge. A bit like Mad Doc, felt like a bit of an arse for buying stuff that others might have wanted given I've got so many other things to work on. I imagine shops didn't really need much help clearing out the stock that they already had (as the fact that most stuff is now out of stock shows), and that the best way to support the local store would be to place a big order once GW are up and running again. So I'll probably do that too. But once GW starts shipping again I imagine that production will be reduced due to distancing measures and there will be a lot of demand from people who've run out of kits to do in the meantime, so maybe even then I should hold off for a while to let those folks get some new kits in.
Problem is some stores might not make it, atlease here.
We have like......6 stores around us, only one got the small business loan. Several got fined a couple Grand for staying open, even if just doing curbside.
It's insane, I understand the lockdown and why it is needed, but there must be a way a allow small retail to stay in business.
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Post by: Yodhrin
queen_annes_revenge wrote:The UK needs to start doing this. businesses need to find workarounds and start to get rolling again. the government cant pay people to stay at home indefinitely. theres no reason we cant take a targeted approach to businesses, rather than this blanket lockdown strategy
Lifting the lockdown - even partially - in the absence of a nationwide and comprehensive test, trace, isolate strategy *will* lead to further uncontrolled outbreaks, which *will* necessitate going back into a total lockdown once again, and every time we were to repeat that cycle there's a not insignificant chance that the outbreaks will move beyond our capacity to control in a way that will cripple the NHS. Imperial already modeled that scenario, it led to a minimum of a couple of hundred thousand deaths, and as many as half a million. Anyone who advocates for that on the basis of economics is a sociopath, as far as I'm concerned, but even then, they'd be an ill-informed sociopath, because several hundred thousand people dropping dead, an overwhelmed NHS, and a series of stop-start lockdowns will be just as damaging to the economy and cost the government just as much money as maintaining the lockdown unbroken would.
The blanket lockdown is a necessary step to bring transmission rates down to a level at which test, trace, isolate can be effective, and until the capacity is in place to implement test, trace, isolate, lifting the lockdown is an even greater folly than the multiple previous follies of the UK that have gotten us into this situation in the first place.
If you want the lockdown to end, start bombarding your MP with letters insisting they pressure the government to follow WHO advice and adopt the demonstrably successful approaches seen in South Korea, New Zealand, Germany etc.
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Post by: Jidmah
 Yodhrin wrote:If you want the lockdown to end, start bombarding your MP with letters insisting they pressure the government to follow WHO advice and adopt the demonstrably successful approaches seen in South Korea, New Zealand, Germany etc.
Germany allows stores to open that operate exactly like GW described in their article though. If I want to, I can buy pretty much everything by walking into stores now, and I'm living only 30 minutes away from one of worst outbreaks in the entire country. Shopping is limited and you can expect to stand in line to enter pretty much everywhere, but they are open. It really depends on the people living in an area though. We live in an area with many high income people and good schools and people are staying at home, waiting for people to pass at a safe distance and standing in ordered lines in front of stores. My fiancee works in a low-income area, and people are a lot less understanding there - in a convenience store nearby they need to call the police multiple times per day because are attacking employees over enforcing policies or not having the things they seek to buy or starting fights with other customers that are getting too close. In addition, people keep visiting their families (which often involve dozens of people) and doing barbecue parties in parks. So Germans are definitely not as disciplined as the Koreans or New Zealanders, but despite all that we still managed do well so far. Despite me not agreeing one bit with the the parties involved in my state's and country's Government they are doing a pretty good job handling the crisis and is surprisingly transparent about it. Honestly, when I hear talks of our chancellor on COVID-19 it feels like they replaced her with a clone that they forgot to program with basic politician BS package  Edit: Also, let's not discount that we were very, very lucky. The German "Karnevall" with hundreds of parades, large gatherings and beer tents in pretty much every town in my region was canceled in many places, due to a storm making going outside dangerous and threatening to knock over tents and floats. One of the worst outbreaks in Germany was due to a single beer tent gathering on this very weekend. If not for the storm, Germany might have it as bad as Spain or Italy right now.
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Wasn't one of the reasons for why germany had that much overcapacity on ventilators to do with the lack of reforms that didn't happen?
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Well, I guess if you ignore the predicted deaths from an economic collapse such as that we're facing, aswell as the decreases standards of living, decreased wages, increased taxes etc, then you could probably straw man away anyone who dares to raise concerns about such issues as a 'sociopath' but then that isn't really conducive to rational and reasonable debate.
The NHS is not overwhelmed. There are how ever many thousand icu places still free, even before you consider the new nightingale hospitals popping up all over the place. No one has had to be turned down. The London nightingale has had 41 patients last I saw.
There's no reason the overly draconian measures can't be relaxed somewhat, and have businesses that are able to do so operate with customer control measures like curbside or over counter services, and still maintain physical social distancing. (The thing that is actually helping.)
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Post by: Overread
queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The NHS is not overwhelmed. There are how ever many thousand icu places still free, even before you consider the new nightingale hospitals popping up all over the place. No one has had to be turned down. The London nightingale has had 41 patients last I saw.
There's no reason the overly draconian measures can't be relaxed somewhat, and have businesses that are able to do so operate with customer control measures like curbside or over counter services, and still maintain physical social distancing. (The thing that is actually helping.)
The NHS is under heavy pressure in some regions more than others. This is accepting that they are taking vastly fewer normal cases at the same time as taking high corona cases. There's a 50% drop in heart-attack/stroke patients at present and likely big drops in people from car accidents and the like. So yes its not broken the NHS, but if we restore normal working then those numbers jump up back to normal values. In addition resuming normal operations will spike Corona spread which will result in increased pressure.
Right now the UK virus spread is flatlining in most areas (from what I recall only London is going down and those values are still way higher than elsewhere). That means we still aren't reducing in cases and deaths; just reaching a point of balance. The right thing now is to maintain measures that allow that flatline to be sustained, rather than relax them and allow that flatline to increase.
You want to DECREASE the line significantly before reopening things and relaxing lockdowns. Then any increase will just spike things back to values we have now - ergo manageable values that the NHS can deal with and where imposing the lockdown again is known to have a positive effect before we get overwhelmed.
If you relax now then in a few weeks instead of the line going down, it goes up. IT might go up really really fast and suddenly you're throwing the lockdown in place again, but now the NHS is overwhelmed and will remain overwhelmed for a long period.
Honestly the big risk right now is that we've had several weeks of lockdown and people are getting the fidgets. The once a week trip is turning into two or three to pick up "essential odds and sods". They are thinking on more walks in the countryside; or using parks; they are wanting to sneak in a visit to friends and family etc.... Those who have no direct/friend/family experience of the disease are the most at risk now of starting to get lax. If anything now would be a good time to actually impose stricter guidelines on the lockdown for a short period to drive home the point and keep things locked down.
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Not Online!!! wrote:Wasn't one of the reasons for why germany had that much overcapacity on ventilators to do with the lack of reforms that didn't happen?
I don't think the number of people needing ventilators has gotten high enough for someone to start counting them. If the trend continues, we are nearing the peak at about 150.000 cases, if 15% of those require ventilators we would need about 22500. Allegedly Germany has 28000 ICU beds in regular hospitals (I did not verify that source though) and more are being created at convention centers, gyms and the like. As far as I know (I'm not too knowledgeable in the health sector), there were some larger reforms of hospitals in the last years, but they didn't reduce the number of ICU beds by a lot for reasons not known to me. However, I do know that those reforms affected staff a lot more than equipment.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Jidmah wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:Wasn't one of the reasons for why germany had that much overcapacity on ventilators to do with the lack of reforms that didn't happen?
I don't think the number of people needing ventilators has gotten high enough for someone to start counting them. If the trend continues, we are nearing the peak at about 150.000 cases, if 15% of those require ventilators we would need about 22500. Allegedly Germany has 28000 ICU beds in regular hospitals (I did not verify that source though) and more are being created at convention centers, gyms and the like.
As far as I know (I'm not too knowledgeable in the health sector), there were some larger reforms of hospitals in the last years, but they didn't reduce the number of ICU beds by a lot for reasons not known to me. However, I do know that those reforms affected staff a lot more than equipment.
TBF, that seems a bit daft, as in why curb personel, and not equipment , because equipment for health secotr is daftly expensive, especially for hospitals. As in a balanced manner.
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Post by: Jidmah
As I said before, I'm not exactly a fan of what the government is doing outside of the current crisis
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Post by: Kroem
Overread wrote:
Honestly the big risk right now is that we've had several weeks of lockdown and people are getting the fidgets. The once a week trip is turning into two or three to pick up "essential odds and sods". They are thinking on more walks in the countryside; or using parks; they are wanting to sneak in a visit to friends and family etc.... Those who have no direct/friend/family experience of the disease are the most at risk now of starting to get lax. If anything now would be a good time to actually impose stricter guidelines on the lockdown for a short period to drive home the point and keep things locked down.
Yea I've been seeing this a bit more too. I've been shopping weekly but not really buying a weeks worth of food, so the cupboard and freezer stocks are looking pretty low right now!
Don't worry we've started a militia to keep the Londoners away, there's been a few unfortunate attacks on local Gooners fans but that's a sacrifice we're willing to make 
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Post by: Overread
Putting the army on the streets would certainly get people to wake up and lock down again in earnest. Government wouldn't even need any new legislation, just make a "show" of it.
Of course the backlash might be another panic at the supermarkets just as food stocks are starting to recover (and in some urban areas are still heavily impacted).
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Post by: tneva82
Jidmah wrote: Yodhrin wrote:If you want the lockdown to end, start bombarding your MP with letters insisting they pressure the government to follow WHO advice and adopt the demonstrably successful approaches seen in South Korea, New Zealand, Germany etc.
Germany allows stores to open that operate exactly like GW described in their article though. If I want to, I can buy pretty much everything by walking into stores now, and I'm living only 30 minutes away from one of worst outbreaks in the entire country. Shopping is limited and you can expect to stand in line to enter pretty much everywhere, but they are open.
Yes. And funny thing is Germany is doing what Yodhrin suggested aka tests, tests, tests. There's not much more countries that tests higher % of population than germany and most of those are small countries like luxemburg. South Korea is lauded for their testing. Well guess what? Germany doubles their test per million people.
So as Yodhrin says. UK wants to remove blanket lockdown, start doing what other countries that don't have as tight restriction or are lifting like S.Korea and Germany are doing. Removing them without actually doing anything in return will just lead to more deaths and overcrowded NHS(and with that more deaths from heart attacks, cancers etc)
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queen_annes_revenge wrote:Well, I guess if you ignore the predicted deaths from an economic collapse such as that we're facing, aswell as the decreases standards of living, decreased wages, increased taxes etc, then you could probably straw man away anyone who dares to raise concerns about such issues as a 'sociopath' but then that isn't really conducive to rational and reasonable debate.
The NHS is not overwhelmed. There are how ever many thousand icu places still free, even before you consider the new nightingale hospitals popping up all over the place. No one has had to be turned down. The London nightingale has had 41 patients last I saw.
There's no reason the overly draconian measures can't be relaxed somewhat, and have businesses that are able to do so operate with customer control measures like curbside or over counter services, and still maintain physical social distancing. (The thing that is actually helping.)
a) NHS is screaming bloody murder at the lack of PPE which is on level of critical and improvise something that's at least somewhat effective if not as effective as proper PPE. Well they do as much as they can seeing goverment is suppressing them from actually speaking out
b) It's not overwhelmed because there's actually lockdown. Duh. Lockdowns succeeding in what they were supposed to do. No kidding. You just gave evidence why they are in there in the first place. You make sure NHS doesn't get overwhelmed BEFORE they get overwhelmed. Even kindergarden can see that
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Post by: Jidmah
tneva82 wrote:Yes. And funny thing is Germany is doing what Yodhrin suggested aka tests, tests, tests. There's not much more countries that tests higher % of population than germany and most of those are small countries like luxemburg. South Korea is lauded for their testing. Well guess what? Germany doubles their test per million people.
The numbers say that, and there is little reason to doubt them (German agencies are too lazy to forge numbers), but my reality from down here is a bit different. My family was sick with two different kinds of virus infections back to back, but didn't get tested once - because you only get tested if you can name a person you had contact with that was tested positive or if you have been to a region with an outbreak like Italy. I still might have been infected, as in my company we tend to go to the airport's food court for lunch and any of my colleagues might have picked it up there, or my fiancee just got it from one of 100+ customers she deals with every day.
A friend is a health care worker and when one of his colleagues got tested positive, they simply quarantined everyone they had contact with for 14 days and tests took forever. Out of all the people I know only know two people who were tested both paid ~100€ to know "nope, you don't have it right now". So the chance of catching asymptomatic infected is basically zero.
They are still racking up testing capacities though, currently a law is in the making to allow veterinarian labs to do the testing as well.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The NHS is not overwhelmed. There are how ever many thousand icu places still free, even before you consider the new nightingale hospitals popping up all over the place. No one has had to be turned down. The London nightingale has had 41 patients last I saw.
Thats because of the chronic lack of trained nurses to attend to patients in Nightingale, so they can't currently take more than that. Good planning, Tories.
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Post by: Azazelx
Yeah, this seems liike a system that's in no danger whetsoever of being overwhelmed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/nhs-staff-to-be-asked-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-without-gowns
Everything's fine. Nothing to see here.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Think theres a bit of "its not affecting me, I'm not sick, so its not that bad really. Why the fuss?" going on.
As far as GW opening goes..........depends on how they do it. Some shops have remained open around my way (Central London) but only for essentials such as food and booze. Everything else is shuttered.
I don't think its a good idea, personally, unless they do web orders to be picked up at the store, but its not an essential journey and shouldn't be made. Open the webstore, fine, but not the high street one. Are they going to provide PPE for their staff they want to expose to customers?
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Think theres a bit of "its not affecting me, I'm not sick, so its not that bad really. Why the fuss?" going on.
As far as GW opening goes..........depends on how they do it. Some shops have remained open around my way (Central London) but only for essentials such as food and booze. Everything else is shuttered.
I don't think its a good idea, personally, unless they do web orders to be picked up at the store, but its not an essential journey and shouldn't be made. Open the webstore, fine, but not the high street one. Are they going to provide PPE for their staff they want to expose to customers?
UK and US are excluded from the allowed openings.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
 Platuan4th wrote: Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Think theres a bit of "its not affecting me, I'm not sick, so its not that bad really. Why the fuss?" going on.
As far as GW opening goes..........depends on how they do it. Some shops have remained open around my way (Central London) but only for essentials such as food and booze. Everything else is shuttered.
I don't think its a good idea, personally, unless they do web orders to be picked up at the store, but its not an essential journey and shouldn't be made. Open the webstore, fine, but not the high street one. Are they going to provide PPE for their staff they want to expose to customers?
UK and US are excluded from the allowed openings.
Good! Going out to buy plastic toy dollies really isn't something that people should be doing right now.
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Post by: Danny76
Yeah there’s no worry. No store can open to the public here if they wanted to, outside of the key things like food.
Online aren’t part of this, but a lot of larger companies had other reasons to close, manufacturing for instance I guess would be GW’s
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
There's no reason why they couldn't reopen many stores in the US. There are plenty of places where they could. They probably just don't want to have to deal with these government imposed restrictions being different on a state by state or even county by county basis.
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Post by: Platuan4th
 Albino Squirrel wrote:There's no reason why they couldn't reopen many stores in the US. There are plenty of places where they could. They probably just don't want to have to deal with these government imposed restrictions being different on a state by state or even county by county basis.
Without the distribution network reopening(it's not), those stores in the US that open would probably be open for a week or 2 before closing again due to lack of stock anyway.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I would love to see my local GW reopen, to say hi to the manager and chat, cuz we’ve become friends and have a lot of in-person catching up to do that just doesn’t feel “right” by text. And I want some stuff, same as everyone else.
But I want everyone to stay safe a helluva lot more. So hopefully GW continues to limit contact as much as possible. If online orders go open and that’s it...such as it is. Even order to store and curbside pickup. But safety matters way more than plastic toys.
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Post by: BrookM
Hey folks, kindly stay on topic and take all general COVID-19 related discussion to the following thread: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/784835.page
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Post by: hotsauceman1
With GW not producing and shipping, how long until stores are out of the stuff that sells well and left with small random models like elf sky rangers or kroot.
Surely it won't be long?
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Post by: JWBS
 hotsauceman1 wrote:With GW not producing and shipping, how long until stores are out of the stuff that sells well and left with small random models like elf sky rangers or kroot.
Surely it won't be long?
That's already happened for online stores. Took a couple of weeks. I imagine brick & mortar retailers will be in much the same position (2 weeks of sales, then a possible drought, depending on how fast GW can react to increasing production, and I suspect their reaction will not be adequate to cover demand).
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Post by: Commodus Leitdorf
Yeah, I'm less interested in GW stores opening up then I am their warehouse getting up and running and supplying everything.
Even checking out the web stores of my FLGS most of their stock is gone except for a few random blisters. And I wanted to use this Quarantine as an excuse to get into Kill Team...
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Post by: ValentineGames
*laughs in vallejo and army painter as GW paints get sold for £10+ a pot*
Don't see any point saying they'll open shops.
Countries decide what will open.
Unnecessary travel will still be a no no.
You're just making pointless increases in hazards by encouraging crack addicts to go get more plastic.
Stupid.
No wonder they're avoiding UK and US though. Both are treating this as a joke.
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Post by: Yodhrin
EDIT: Ugh, I always forget to read to the end and check for mod stuff before replying.
Fine, I'll be replying in the other thread queen_annes_revenge.
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Post by: RiTides
Thanks for catching that! As a reminder, here's the link for the COVID-19 general discussion (non- GW related) thread:
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Post by: BrianDavion
Albino Squirrel wrote:There's no reason why they couldn't reopen many stores in the US. There are plenty of places where they could. They probably just don't want to have to deal with these government imposed restrictions being different on a state by state or even county by county basis.
most of the places in the US that haven't been hit by Corna conventional wisdom world wide is that it's because they simply haven't been hit YET. So even if GW could get a supply chain to them they'd likely be looking at watching those communities suddenly having outbreaks etc.
Also GW runs their North American supply chain through a single point.
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Post by: JWBS
Is that true? It seems so ludicrously quaint and backwards that I can't quite believe it, logically, yet I know it may well be the case. They're running a billion $ business from Nottingham. This is all well and good, Nottingham is as good a place as any, but even the best of places bow down to Globalism. But not GW, they're giving zero feths about it 
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Post by: Kanluwen
It is run out of Memphis, TN which is a major shipping hub for FedEx(which most GW shipping in NA apparently utilizes).
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Post by: Azazelx
 ValentineGames wrote:*laughs in vallejo and army painter as GW paints get sold for £10+ a pot*
Don't see any point saying they'll open shops.
Countries decide what will open.
Unnecessary travel will still be a no no.
You're just making pointless increases in hazards by encouraging crack addicts to go get more plastic.
Stupid.
No wonder they're avoiding UK and US though. Both are treating this as a joke.
It's contextual. NZ has shut pretty much everything down with their stage 4 restrictions and are talking about hte possibility of even eliminating COVID within their borders soon(ish), so when they open most retail with adequate social distancing, etc, I can't see it being an issue. Here in Australia, we did things a bit (a lot) more haphazardly and have a federal government that has made some ...strange choices while the states have done their own thing (often, thankfully much stricter) but we're fortunately doing reasonably well compared to other nations and many retail places remain open (with social distancing, etc). Just google "essential jigsaw puzzles" as our PM decided that they were an essential item, so based on that many toy stores remain open. Many retail and food (takeaweay only) outlets that remain open have gone to "preferring" or even only accepting contactless or electronic payments, as well as limiting the number of customers in a shop at any given time. I could see GW fitting in just fine both here and in NZ without "blood on their hands" - as long as they can clear customers and browers out rather than alloow them to hang around chatting with each other and staff. If ANZ were in the more dire straits that the UK, US and Europe are in then I'd be totally onboard with keeping them shut down.
I'd think that reopening the warehouse for mail order only would be a better way to do things, but I guess if they only sold their product via mail order it would be screwing over the retailers that stock their product who remain open (including those who do mail order) - something that would do even more lasting damage as GW don't have the best reputation there - and if they supply other retailers they would probably see a need to operate their own retail outlets or they're screwing themselves.
I mean, I won't be going in. I'm only going out for trips to the butcher, pharmacy, supermarket, hardware, post office, caring for my father and when I need to grab something from work. Even then, I try to stack my trips so I only need to leave the house once, or twice at worst per week, wear a mask, spray down my shoes and bags, wash everything we bring into the house, etc. But everythinmg is contextual to the situation. We're all in this together as far as the COVID situation goes, but unfortunately, the individual situations and circumstances vary wildly from locale to locale and some are much more dire, and really do call to keep all retail shut down for far longer.
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Post by: BrookM
From the Games Workshop Amersfoort facebook page:
Hey everyone!
I’m really pleased to announce that this store is trialling a limited re-opening.
There's a few things you should know before you visit:
If you’re after something in particular, ask us in a comment below or give us a call and we’ll let you know if it’s worth the trip.
Activity in the store is suspended for the moment - so no hanging out to game or paint - grab what you need to stock-up and head out.
We will be sticking to guidelines on social distancing.
To aid in the above, we will also be enforcing a maximum occupancy in the store. So you may need to wait outside for a minute before you can come in and pick up your Warhammer supplies.
Stay safe, and we’ll see you soon.
– Grant Peacey
Retail Manager - Rest of World
Store manager has added that they'll be receiving no resupply from GW for the time being, so if they run out of something at the store, you are officially gak outta luck. I've asked him about the mail orders that are somewhere between GW and his store, hopefully I'll get an answer on that soon, would be nice to know where my stuff is at.
edit.
Aaaaaaand they've been sent back to Nottingham, well crap. 
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Post by: Duskweaver
Looking at the epidemiological data for the Netherlands, that seems grossly irresponsible to me. New cases per day seems to have levelled off, but it's way too early to say it's falling yet. Adjusted for population, their numbers are actually worse than the UK (i.e. it's likely a bigger percentage of their population is infected).
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Post by: Voss
 Kanluwen wrote:It is run out of Memphis, TN which is a major shipping hub for FedEx(which most GW shipping in NA apparently utilizes).
Mostly true, though most of their normal ground shipping wanders a few miles south and goes out of the FedEx Ground facility in Olive Branch, Mississippi. (That puzzled me for a while on a couple orders, until I looked into it)
Odds are pretty good any order where you pick free shipping is going to come out of there rather than go towards actual Memphis where the Fedex Air and World facilities are. GW is way out on the edge of the metro area in the middle of the distribution centers, barely a mile from the state line.
Albino Squirrel wrote:There's no reason why they couldn't reopen many stores in the US. There are plenty of places where they could. They probably just don't want to have to deal with these government imposed restrictions being different on a state by state or even county by county basis.
Not really true. A lot of GW stores tend to be in high-foot-traffic shopping centers or malls, and it honestly isn't up to them. In a lot of those places whether your store is open or closed is functionally a landlord (or holding company) decision. And now, a state decision. In addition to having stock concerns that decide if opening is even worth it.
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Post by: Virules
I wonder to what extent the return to business would allow for digital updates as well. Originally the spring FAQ was in March, then it got changed to be a few weeks after Adepticon, which this year was start of April. Well, that didn't happen, and we are close to end of April. Will we get balance updates and FAQ fixes this spring?
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Post by: Ghaz
 Virules wrote:I wonder to what extent the return to business would allow for digital updates as well. Originally the spring FAQ was in March, then it got changed to be a few weeks after Adepticon, which this year was start of April. Well, that didn't happen, and we are close to end of April. Will we get balance updates and FAQ fixes this spring?
The Spring FAQ was moved to an April release back in 2018:
Sorry, we’re a little behind schedule folks – we were slightly optimistic to think we could get this update out in March, the week after AdeptiCon! In the future, our first quarter Errata and FAQ update for Warhammer 40,000 will be in April...
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Post by: Dysartes
Y'know, I'd completely forgotten about the Spring FAQ - depending on what the chat volume is like, it might be worth asking on one of the Warhammer TV afternoon hobby streams if they can check.
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Post by: TBD
 Duskweaver wrote:Looking at the epidemiological data for the Netherlands, that seems grossly irresponsible to me. New cases per day seems to have levelled off, but it's way too early to say it's falling yet. Adjusted for population, their numbers are actually worse than the UK (i.e. it's likely a bigger percentage of their population is infected).
Staring at data sheets isn’t useful much. It is perfectly fine for stores like a GW store to open up (for sales only obviously). They never even had to close down actually. Local game stores and similar sized stores have stayed open here without problems. It’s the large(r) gatherings of people you don’t want.
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Post by: Overread
Small gatherings are still just as much an issue. Whilst one person can't infect as many, the problem comes from multiple small gatherings.
That said if the store isn't doing painting nor gaming and is only selling products then they can certainly be quite safe. Wipe the keypad on the chip and pin system down; don't take cash; don't allow long browsing etc... With a few basic precautions you can limit the issues quite significantly.
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Post by: LiftForSwift
Overread wrote:Small gatherings are still just as much an issue. Whilst one person can't infect as many, the problem comes from multiple small gatherings.
That said if the store isn't doing painting nor gaming and is only selling products then they can certainly be quite safe. Wipe the keypad on the chip and pin system down; don't take cash; don't allow long browsing etc... With a few basic precautions you can limit the issues quite significantly.
Masks, gloves and staying 2 metres away from each other would all be enforced too. This is how supermarkets are right now
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Post by: Sentineil
I guess the question is, why take the risk of spreading a dangerous virus so that we can have toys.
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Post by: Aeneades
 Sentineil wrote:I guess the question is, why take the risk of spreading a dangerous virus so that we can have toys.
Because this deadly virus isn’t going away. For the next 18 months or more, we will have to adapt to life with the risk of virus as the economy cannot shut down for that long, people cannot manage without getting paid for that long and the mental health of people being trapped in doors needs to be considered. We are likely to see periods where shops can reopen to some degree, same with offices and factories but we may also have periods where we go into more of a lockdown again. It’s a balancing act with no easy solution. The longer a complete lockdown is enforced the greater the risk that some people will be so fed up they ignore them, especially over a warm summer, it’s likely safer to return a little normality when they can to keep people in line. The higher infection risk venues such as cinemas, theatres, conventions and mass participation sporting events I am not expecting to come back any time soon, I usually take part in 2-3 running races a week and I am not personally expecting to run another one this year.
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Post by: Overread
Agreed, you can't just lockdown a whole country for years. Even if you provide everyone with water, food and shelter that's just not enough.
People will resume normal life without the lockdowns lifting because at some point everyone will get fed up. They want to exercise, socialise, meet family, shop, express themselves, make new friends etc...
If you shut it all down for too long eventually you get rebellion. So letting some of the lockdown lift and some return to normality allows you to release pressure on the system. You take some pressure off, with the cost being that yes infections will rise again, but then you can re-impose the lockdown once more.
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Post by: ValentineGames
LiftForSwift wrote: Overread wrote:Small gatherings are still just as much an issue. Whilst one person can't infect as many, the problem comes from multiple small gatherings.
That said if the store isn't doing painting nor gaming and is only selling products then they can certainly be quite safe. Wipe the keypad on the chip and pin system down; don't take cash; don't allow long browsing etc... With a few basic precautions you can limit the issues quite significantly.
Masks, gloves and staying 2 metres away from each other would all be enforced too. This is how supermarkets are right now
Moment I see gloves I'd walk out.
Faaaaaaaar more dangerous than anything they are.
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Post by: Blastaar
Social distancing in those tiny stores? That isn't really possible.
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Post by: Aeneades
Blastaar wrote:Social distancing in those tiny stores? That isn't really possible.
You just limit the stores to the member of staff and one or two customers depending on size (my local store could manage two customers and one staff with social distancing). Other customers queue outside and wait to come in.
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Post by: Cypher226
Aeneades wrote:Blastaar wrote:Social distancing in those tiny stores? That isn't really possible.
You just limit the stores to the member of staff and one or two customers depending on size (my local store could manage two customers and one staff with social distancing). Other customers queue outside and wait to come in.
Or you do what a lot of takeaways and chemists/pharmacies are doing - stick a table just inside the door and take orders at the door. Don't forget browsing is a recent development (within living memory) in shopping (especially in the UK) it's not turning the clock back too far and an entirely reasonable compromise imo.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
Imagine a warhammer takeaway delivery service...
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Plus right now reopening is more for existing than new customers. Most coming are going to have a rough idea what they want in at least a ballpark area. And even with the lockdowns reducing its not closing entirely so people won't be browsing and lurking on the streets like they were before.
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Post by: Danny76
I think the problem is a lot of people are arguing their case from their respective countries point of view.
Our lockdown is very different to others for instance in what is allowed still. For opening and for the population etc.
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JWBS wrote:
Is that true? It seems so ludicrously quaint and backwards that I can't quite believe it, logically, yet I know it may well be the case. They're running a billion $ business from Nottingham. This is all well and good, Nottingham is as good a place as any, but even the best of places bow down to Globalism. But not GW, they're giving zero feths about it
yeah out of a single location in Texas. I;ve thought it stupid for years. forget about pandemics, one good earthquake or tornado or something could potentialy distrupt operations in North America for months. Maybe just maybe Corona will see an end to that as I suspect everyone's going to be looking at their supply chains after this.
IMHO GW'd be well served to open a smaller secondary facility in Canada (proably Onterio or Quebec) something smallish just eneugh that in the event of some sort of disruption in their other location they can shift supply.
But I admit thats a Canadian speaking whose really worried he'll not be able to get 40k stuff for awhile even after his country re-opens because America's completely out to lunch
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
No, mail order takes days to deliver using the postal service. I'm talking about you phone up, then someone on a scooter or a smart car brings your items, like a takeaway.
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Post by: Voss
BrianDavion wrote:JWBS wrote:
Is that true? It seems so ludicrously quaint and backwards that I can't quite believe it, logically, yet I know it may well be the case. They're running a billion $ business from Nottingham. This is all well and good, Nottingham is as good a place as any, but even the best of places bow down to Globalism. But not GW, they're giving zero feths about it
yeah out of a single location in Texas. I;ve thought it stupid for years. forget about pandemics, one good earthquake or tornado or something could potentialy distrupt operations in North America for months. Maybe just maybe Corona will see an end to that as I suspect everyone's going to be looking at their supply chains after this.
IMHO GW'd be well served to open a smaller secondary facility in Canada (proably Onterio or Quebec) something smallish just eneugh that in the event of some sort of disruption in their other location they can shift supply.
But I admit thats a Canadian speaking whose really worried he'll not be able to get 40k stuff for awhile even after his country re-opens because America's completely out to lunch
Tennessee, not Texas, on top of one of the biggest shipping hubs.
The 'stupidity' of it would really depend on the cost of additional facilities, which would be real every month costs, not... earthquakes in a part of the continent where they really don't happen.
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It does seem odd to me that such a massively successful company like gw operate such strange international practices like they do. It must be much more beneficial to expand into new territory, and they clearly have the finances and wherewithal to do so.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Voss wrote:BrianDavion wrote:JWBS wrote:
Is that true? It seems so ludicrously quaint and backwards that I can't quite believe it, logically, yet I know it may well be the case. They're running a billion $ business from Nottingham. This is all well and good, Nottingham is as good a place as any, but even the best of places bow down to Globalism. But not GW, they're giving zero feths about it
yeah out of a single location in Texas. I;ve thought it stupid for years. forget about pandemics, one good earthquake or tornado or something could potentialy distrupt operations in North America for months. Maybe just maybe Corona will see an end to that as I suspect everyone's going to be looking at their supply chains after this.
IMHO GW'd be well served to open a smaller secondary facility in Canada (proably Onterio or Quebec) something smallish just eneugh that in the event of some sort of disruption in their other location they can shift supply.
But I admit thats a Canadian speaking whose really worried he'll not be able to get 40k stuff for awhile even after his country re-opens because America's completely out to lunch
Tennessee, not Texas, on top of one of the biggest shipping hubs.
The 'stupidity' of it would really depend on the cost of additional facilities, which would be real every month costs, not... earthquakes in a part of the continent where they really don't happen.
I said earth quake or tornado. the implication was some sort of natural disaster
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Post by: tneva82
Voss wrote:The 'stupidity' of it would really depend on the cost of additional facilities, which would be real every month costs, not... earthquakes in a part of the continent where they really don't happen.
Earthquake, tornado...Plenty of things. Hell the corona can leave US shut down far longer than say Canada so how Canada will get miniatures if US supply point is shut down? The corona will be dealt in Canada sooner than in US so GW US supply point could easily be locked longer than Canada is.
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Post by: Obispudkenobi
tneva82 wrote:Voss wrote:The 'stupidity' of it would really depend on the cost of additional facilities, which would be real every month costs, not... earthquakes in a part of the continent where they really don't happen.
Earthquake, tornado...Plenty of things. Hell the corona can leave US shut down far longer than say Canada so how Canada will get miniatures if US supply point is shut down? The corona will be dealt in Canada sooner than in US so GW US supply point could easily be locked longer than Canada is.
GW could just ship direct to stores in Canada from the UK, it wouldn't be ideal but in a pinch it's plausible. I don't think they ship to the USA and then to Canada for logistics reasons anyway it's more likely an import/export tariff thing, USA I believe has favourable import laws for UK products , but a short term direct solution to Canada I'm sure would be possible if needed.
I suspect Lenton is back up and running or will be soon, as soon as the UK government allow smaller retailers to open with social distancing applied it will be back to semi normality.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Every meal deal would come with a Stompa.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
They could start a food delivery service as a way to open up again. Deliver food and beer, and models at the same time.
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You meant to say beer and pretzels, right?
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Post by: Not Online!!!
only real ones tho, anything less and the prices would still be to high
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Post by: Ghaz
No need to imagine...
https://yottaquest.com/
One of the stores in Cincinnati is doing local delivery
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Post by: Karhedron
queen_annes_revenge wrote:It does seem odd to me that such a massively successful company like gw operate such strange international practices like they do. It must be much more beneficial to expand into new territory, and they clearly have the finances and wherewithal to do so.
GW takes a certain pride in their "Best of British" status. The company is homegrown in Nottingham, most of the design team are based there and the company is domiciled here and makes a point of not offshoring its profits and paying its correct share of taxes.
There is also a practical aspect. Injection molding is a fairly expensive process. The toolings need to be made from hard steel if they are to have a lifespan of years or even decades (and there are plenty of plastic kits in GW's range that are 20+ years old). The toolings are quite expensive to create and can easily cost £50K-£100K depending on the size and complexity of the sprue. Now the was to amoritize the cost is to spread it over several production runs. I suspect that things like the Land Raider and Rhino have paid for themselves many times over by now.
And this brings us to the key point. Setting up a second factory would require a second set of machines, staff and (crucially), expensive toolings. A second factory would double GW's production costs but it would not double their sales. Their Nottingham factory is large enough to meet worldwide demand. Even if they could produce twice as much as they do now, they would not be able to sell it. Their might be some economies that could be made to shipping by having a second factory in the US but I doubt it would be anywhere near the amount needed to offset the costs of duplicating their production facilities.
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Post by: BrianDavion
tneva82 wrote:Voss wrote:The 'stupidity' of it would really depend on the cost of additional facilities, which would be real every month costs, not... earthquakes in a part of the continent where they really don't happen.
Earthquake, tornado...Plenty of things. Hell the corona can leave US shut down far longer than say Canada so how Canada will get miniatures if US supply point is shut down? The corona will be dealt in Canada sooner than in US so GW US supply point could easily be locked longer than Canada is.
that's really my big concern, Canada is actually doing pretty well with this, meanwhile the US is according to every account making up complete cockup of this.
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Post by: Platuan4th
My local here in Oklahoma is doing free local delivery for orders over $25.
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Post by: LiftForSwift
 Karhedron wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:It does seem odd to me that such a massively successful company like gw operate such strange international practices like they do. It must be much more beneficial to expand into new territory, and they clearly have the finances and wherewithal to do so.
GW takes a certain pride in their "Best of British" status. The company is homegrown in Nottingham, most of the design team are based there and the company is domiciled here and makes a point of not offshoring its profits and paying its correct share of taxes.
There is also a practical aspect. Injection molding is a fairly expensive process. The toolings need to be made from hard steel if they are to have a lifespan of years or even decades (and there are plenty of plastic kits in GW's range that are 20+ years old). The toolings are quite expensive to create and can easily cost £50K-£100K depending on the size and complexity of the sprue. Now the was to amoritize the cost is to spread it over several production runs. I suspect that things like the Land Raider and Rhino have paid for themselves many times over by now.
And this brings us to the key point. Setting up a second factory would require a second set of machines, staff and (crucially), expensive toolings. A second factory would double GW's production costs but it would not double their sales. Their Nottingham factory is large enough to meet worldwide demand. Even if they could produce twice as much as they do now, they would not be able to sell it. Their might be some economies that could be made to shipping by having a second factory in the US but I doubt it would be anywhere near the amount needed to offset the costs of duplicating their production facilities.
But GW have a factory in China don't they? Terrain pieces are a different plastic and say MADE IN CHINA on the boxes
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Post by: Overread
Yes but if you compare terrain and endless spells to GW models there's a difference in quality of fine details.
You can also have issues with factories in China, even GW has suffered this. One aspect I've heard from a few places is that the ethics and work culture is such that if a problem occurs no one wants to report it. So problems can be maintained through a whole production run until the product is landing in peoples arms and complaining.
GW has already had one kit which was produced where a whole order was missing one sprue
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Post by: Danny76
Obispudkenobi wrote:
I suspect Lenton is back up and running or will be soon, as soon as the UK government allow smaller retailers to open with social distancing applied it will be back to semi normality.
Certainly not up and running now, as they aren’t allowed.
But at some point soon yeah, depends what the decision is in two weeks (I think another two/three week lockdown, then the one after that might be the restriction lightening, at which point they could reopen).
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 LiftForSwift wrote:
But GW have a factory in China don't they? Terrain pieces are a different plastic and say MADE IN CHINA on the boxes
I believe they outsource to a Chinese company or companies and do not own a plant there.
IIRC at least one of the suppliers seems to be Wargames Factory's supplier who ended up buying them out and refocusing entirely on supplying others. I seem to remember someone identifying new GW products by looking at their online shipping reports.
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Post by: xttz
Plastic crack is coming back!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/28/reopening-soon-games-workshop-com/
Hi Everyone,
I hope you and your loved ones are safe and well.
Last week, I let you know that some of our stores were beginning to reopen. The question you’ve most asked since then has been, “What about online? When will games-workshop.com start taking orders again?” I’m happy to confirm what you might have seen over on our Investor Relations site earlier this morning: we’re now able to open up some of our warehouses and will begin shipping orders very soon.
Safety First
The health and safety of all our customers and staff remains our number one priority, so a whole host of new precautions have been introduced to make sure operations can be carried out in a safe environment. We’re being very careful in how we do this – our Health & Safety and warehouse teams have worked tirelessly to ensure that these facilities adhere to all government guidelines and that our staff will be maintaining effective social distancing at all times.
Thanks to these heroic efforts, we’re able to reopen some of our warehouses from today. This means that (depending on where you are in the world) if you have an order pending with us to be shipped out to your home address, it will be processed and dispatched over the next few days. If you have an order pending to be shipped to a Games Workshop or Warhammer store, we’ll be in touch soon to sort out the next steps for your order. The warehouse teams will be working hard to make sure you get your orders as quickly and efficiently as possible while taking the utmost care to keep everyone safe.
How About the Webstore?
Games-workshop.com won’t be taking any new orders just yet, as we want to make sure pending orders are cleared while we are getting the site back up and running fully. Don’t worry though, the webstore will be open for business again very soon! Like, Friday soon. From the 1st of May, you’ll once again (subject to your location) be able to place orders on games-workshop.com and stock up on all those hobby essentials.
It won’t quite be business as usual though, and there are a few things to bear in mind:
With many of our retail stores still closed, the “ship-to-store” delivery option won’t be available. To offset this, we’re reducing the Free Shipping threshold by 50% in all territories where this option was previously available.
With the warehouse reconfigured for extra safety, it may take longer than normal to process, pack and ship your order.
With the factory still locked down, we are likely to see a few more items than usual go out of stock, and it may take us a bit longer than normal to resupply them.
Our focus right now is on getting you your hobby essentials. No news on when we’ll be unleashing new releases just yet. We’ll keep you posted.
Supporting Independents
Now, I know that loads of you love supporting your local independent stores, and as the warehouses come back online, we’ll be able to start resupplying them. While many of them aren’t open for business right now (and it may be some time yet before they are), we’ve come up with something special to help them out when that time comes. We’ll be sending our independent stockists a supply of a very special edition Catachan Colonel free of charge, so they can keep every penny they make! Like other limited edition or Made to Order miniatures, this Catachan won’t be available anywhere else, so keep in touch with your local independent store – they’ll be counting on your loyalty when they reopen.
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Post by: terry
good news and good to read that while they're opening up, it is in a limited capacity for the health and safety of there employees
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Post by: Aenar
US, Canada, NZ, Australia and Italy are the 5 countries to which they won't be selling nor shipping for the foreseeable future.
UK and rest of Europe should be fine, apparently:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Keeping-Our-Staff-Safe
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Yarp.
Particularly impressed with the Ltd Model to support FLGS. I mean, making it available in the first place is great. Supplying it for free, so they stand to get a solid cash injection? Even better.
No, it’s not altruism. GW are doing it to keep those wholesale orders coming in. But it’s about as close as you can get to altruism.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Yarp.
Particularly impressed with the Ltd Model to support FLGS. I mean, making it available in the first place is great. Supplying it for free, so they stand to get a solid cash injection? Even better.
No, it’s not altruism. GW are doing it to keep those wholesale orders coming in. But it’s about as close as you can get to altruism.
it's corporatistic, as in you work with your workers and 3rd parties because you allways meet twice.
For GW the FLG's dying off means in some cases wholesale losing market access. and one of the reasons why GW is successfull is market coverage.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
GW cancelled my Saga of the Beast order, as I’d plumped for it to go to my local store.
They’ve refunded me via voucher....to the tune of £30! Time to place that order again, I guess!
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Post by: Overread
Right now the countries GW isn't shipping too seems to be most of those using super-lockdowns or in the USA block. Not sure why USA and Canada are excluded, but heck it could just be that they are such big markets on their own that GW wants to get the EU and "rest of world" settled down before hitting the USA block - esp since that block likely takes much longer to restock.
Also out of interest, does anyone know if their new factory came online yet? Now would be a great time to have that factory running as that means increased capacity even if they have to limited workers within each factory and perhaps also limit the number of machines running. Though I still think the bottleneck won't be machines but packing.
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Post by: tneva82
Eh italy is moving out of super lockdown(term they used complete reopening). NZ is moving away stating they have conquered virus completely. US meanwhile has very poor lockdown not even followed that well.
More to do with severity of situation. Italy is going to reopen country but situation is still pretty grim. US has thousands dying every day. Hardly safest places to reopen yet.
NZ is likely due to restrictions coming TO country rather than internal lockdown.
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Post by: silverstu
Very pleased to see this and seesaw GW are handling it- that catachan model is pretty cool!
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BTW just got clarification from GW that forge world is not reopening yet for physical products.
Darn. That store is where next miniatures I want to buy is located at.
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Post by: BrookM
Still waiting on GW to get back to me on the status of a mail order they've lost track off when this all kicked off, though they have refunded another order I put in that was to be delivered to the store. Store is open right now, but they cancelled and refunded it anyway, tossing in a generous amount on top to soften the blow.
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Post by: deano2099
So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
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Post by: Ashaar
deano2099 wrote:So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
"With the factory still locked down, we are likely to see a few more items than usual go out of stock, and it may take us a bit longer than normal to resupply them."
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/28/reopening-soon-games-workshop-com/
Factories still closed it seems.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Wow that's very cool of GW to give GLGS some free miniatures, didn't expect that but that sure raise my opinion of them!
Also I remember a lot of discussion when those binoculars appeared in the rumor engine about whether it was going to be new ork commandos or a Catachan, I guess now we know .
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Post by: Arbitrator
deano2099 wrote:So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
They presumably won't be talking about it until the UK reviews it's lockdown plans on the 7th of May.
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Post by: Chikout
deano2099 wrote:So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
Factories are still closed. In a warehouse they can move pretty everything to allow them to follow social distancing rules. I imagine that will be much more difficult in the factory.
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Post by: BrianDavion
It's not really fair that canada is on this list. but I expected this as we get our stuff from a US distribution hub.
Thanks America.
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Post by: Jidmah
Chikout wrote:deano2099 wrote:So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
Factories are still closed. In a warehouse they can move pretty everything to allow them to follow social distancing rules. I imagine that will be much more difficult in the factory.
It's also possible that certain machinery has to be operated by two people for safety reasons.
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Post by: Overread
Jidmah wrote:Chikout wrote:deano2099 wrote:So are the GW factories re-opening too? Or were they never closed to start with? Or just not mentioned?
Factories are still closed. In a warehouse they can move pretty everything to allow them to follow social distancing rules. I imagine that will be much more difficult in the factory.
It's also possible that certain machinery has to be operated by two people for safety reasons.
I suspect its less machine and more picker and packing that might be the issue. However it could also be that key operations people are self isolating; perhaps they are in highly vulnerable groups or live with people in those groups. They might even live with medical staff and thus be self isolating to reduce any chance of infection spreading.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I understand that when the website reopens only 6 people will be able to log in at a time to reduce the chance of viruses.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:I understand that when the website reopens only 6 people will be able to log in at a time to reduce the chance of viruses.
Be better.
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Just note for the UK - the webstore comes online on the 1st which technically means that the two specials on offer right now could be added to a regular order for shipping purposes? Though as the specials aren't yet made (currently they've got a 180day ordering window) it might be a long wait for such an order.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Its fantastic news that the warehouses are to reopen shortly, in some capacity.
A big thank you to GW for their little extra support for independents with the Catachan model. Not a model I'm interested in myself but the gesture is admirable all the same.
That said, he wouldn't go a miss in a game of Lost Patrol... 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Remember folks the voucher from GW is still available that gives you an extra £5 on top of £50 so if your going to spend it take advantage
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Post by: Overread
Just remember if you buy the voucher from the GW Website you can only use it there. If you get it from the FW website you can only use it there.
Whilst they've got the same promotion they are different stores and use different codes/vouchers. I'm sure Gw might be able to swap them over but that's clearly a customer service hassle and might take longer to process.
I'm sorely tempted to get some, but I've also really got to get myself some storage and transport for my models. My desk is getting way beyond cluttered.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Overread wrote:Just note for the UK - the webstore comes online on the 1st which technically means that the two specials on offer right now could be added to a regular order for shipping purposes? Though as the specials aren't yet made (currently they've got a 180day ordering window) it might be a long wait for such an order.
Due to "With many of our retail stores still closed, the “ship-to-store” delivery option won’t be available. To offset this, we’re reducing the Free Shipping threshold by 50% in all territories where this option was previously available.", just one of the exclusives should be sufficient for free shipping in the £ and € territories at least.
After giving up on the Sister with the price + shipping, this suddenly becomes dangerously tempting...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
They cancelled my order for Saga of the Beast, and gave me a £30 e-voucher.
Guess I’m ordering that and maybe a pot of paint Friday morning!
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Post by: BrookM
My problematic order has been nicely resolved and has been put back in the system along with an upgrade to fast shipping for free, which is nice of them as I insisted on paying for shipping if they couldn't merge orders, because as nice as free shipping is, especially with the lower threshold now, it isn't when Royal Mail is involved, turning that free shipping into a six to eight week wait before they can be arsed to finally deliver it, which is under normal circumstances. Ugh.
But anyway, hopefully, finally, soon, I'll be able to get started on those Sisters (especially that Canoness!) and Ghazghkull the Nob reinforcements.
All in all, quite pleased with how this all has been resolved by GW, didn't expect them to start up again so soon, as I wrote my email last Saturday, but their customer services reps have earned a good review from me yet again.
Hopefully they'll open up the floodgates on some of those postponed released as well, got quite a few vouchers from a friend to make up for an utterly gak birthday this year, do want Engine War and Aeronautica.
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Post by: Virules
God forbid, they might actually start previewing Engine War rules for those 4 factions. One day. Maybe. Probably in July.
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Post by: Bellerophon
I'm pleased to see the warehouses and online store re-opening in some capacity (so long as they're properly set up for the safety of their staff), mainly because it means independent stores will be able to get stock in again. Sure, that doesn't help brick-and-mortar-only stores much, but at least here in the UK a good number FLGS's have an online presence and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them made most of their sales online. They've all been cleared out of stock over the last month, and it will be good for them to get some stock in and cash flowing again, so long as GW has enough stock to last. For example, one store that I use had been basically shut down, and the owner has announced he'll start taking orders again.
I'm curious as to how well they'll keep things in stock - they say we might see a few more things than normal go out of stock and take longer to resupply, but I imagine when they determine the production schedule, they make enough of each kit to last their usual sales until that kit is back on the production rota again, otherwise they're paying to hold pointless overstock. I wonder how often each one gets a production run under normal circumstances, it will have a big impact on just how long their stock lasts. I won't order anything just yet - except maybe vouchers. If the stock's limited, it doesn't need the massive pile-of-shame hoarders like me buying up what little's available!
I'm not sure how I feel about the Catachan Colonel. The way they announced it made it seem like a really classy move, then when the various independent stores started reporting that they're only going to be getting 3 or 4 at most, it lost a fair bit of its shine. It's still GW giving the stores free models, and it's still good, but the way they announced it made it seem a more significant gesture than that. "You can keep all of the profits" sounds great, until you realise that you're not making that much even off your entire store allocation. I expect the quantities are strictly limited by how many GW had already produced. If it was supposed to be an event model/store opening/whatever, then the quantities they'd cast won't go very far at all if you start trying to spread them around all the indies.
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Overread wrote:Just note for the UK - the webstore comes online on the 1st which technically means that the two specials on offer right now could be added to a regular order for shipping purposes? Though as the specials aren't yet made (currently they've got a 180day ordering window) it might be a long wait for such an order.
Due to "With many of our retail stores still closed, the “ship-to-store” delivery option won’t be available. To offset this, we’re reducing the Free Shipping threshold by 50% in all territories where this option was previously available.", just one of the exclusives should be sufficient for free shipping in the £ and € territories at least.
After giving up on the Sister with the price + shipping, this suddenly becomes dangerously tempting...
I was thinking the same thing. Anybody who wants just one of the made-to-orders, wait until Friday to order and you won't pay shipping.
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Post by: tneva82
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Overread wrote:Just note for the UK - the webstore comes online on the 1st which technically means that the two specials on offer right now could be added to a regular order for shipping purposes? Though as the specials aren't yet made (currently they've got a 180day ordering window) it might be a long wait for such an order.
Due to "With many of our retail stores still closed, the “ship-to-store” delivery option won’t be available. To offset this, we’re reducing the Free Shipping threshold by 50% in all territories where this option was previously available.", just one of the exclusives should be sufficient for free shipping in the £ and € territories at least.
After giving up on the Sister with the price + shipping, this suddenly becomes dangerously tempting...
Well you could also support FLGS by ordering sister from there. I have mine delivered to Fantasiapelit. Automatically Appended Next Post: Virules wrote:God forbid, they might actually start previewing Engine War rules for those 4 factions. One day. Maybe. Probably in July.
After preorder is announced. Just like every book. Engine war isn't special snowflake. Automatically Appended Next Post: Bellerophon wrote:I'm pleased to see the warehouses and online store re-opening in some capacity (so long as they're properly set up for the safety of their staff), mainly because it means independent stores will be able to get stock in again. Sure, that doesn't help brick-and-mortar-only stores much, but at least here in the UK a good number FLGS's have an online presence and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them made most of their sales online. They've all been cleared out of stock over the last month, and it will be good for them to get some stock in and cash flowing again, so long as GW has enough stock to last. For example, one store that I use had been basically shut down, and the owner has announced he'll start taking orders again.
I'm curious as to how well they'll keep things in stock - they say we might see a few more things than normal go out of stock and take longer to resupply, but I imagine when they determine the production schedule, they make enough of each kit to last their usual sales until that kit is back on the production rota again, otherwise they're paying to hold pointless overstock. I wonder how often each one gets a production run under normal circumstances, it will have a big impact on just how long their stock lasts. I won't order anything just yet - except maybe vouchers. If the stock's limited, it doesn't need the massive pile-of-shame hoarders like me buying up what little's available!
Until they can restart factories what GW has on warehouse is it. There won't be resupply to stuff even GW ran out. Now if UK eases up restrictions then GW can restart factories though that won't be instant(had GW reopened on preliminary reopening date that would have been around 1.5...so about 2 weeks or so).
Since GW doesn't have HUGE stores don't expect stores to last forever though. If you need something better to get it sooner rather than later.
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Post by: Jidmah
tneva82 wrote: If you need something better to get it sooner rather than later.
This is very good advise - check if any of the paints you desperately need are about to run out. Check if you have enough primer to paint the stuff you want to paint in the next weeks. If you want some models to work on to keep your sanity, buy them.
But please don't hoard stuff. Other people also need paints or a new project to keep occupied in times where many other activities have been made impossible.
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Post by: Bellerophon
tneva82 wrote:
Until they can restart factories what GW has on warehouse is it. There won't be resupply to stuff even GW ran out. Now if UK eases up restrictions then GW can restart factories though that won't be instant(had GW reopened on preliminary reopening date that would have been around 1.5...so about 2 weeks or so).
Since GW doesn't have HUGE stores don't expect stores to last forever though. If you need something better to get it sooner rather than later.
Yeah I know - that was my point! I was speculating under normal circumstances how much stock they actually hold in the warehouse - because I'd expect they only carry enough to last until the next time they plan cast that particular kit. Just how they structure the regular production schedule will have a large bearing on how much stock they hold, and consequently how long it takes for things to run out in these strange times because they're not replenishing things that run out.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Bellerophon wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Until they can restart factories what GW has on warehouse is it. There won't be resupply to stuff even GW ran out. Now if UK eases up restrictions then GW can restart factories though that won't be instant(had GW reopened on preliminary reopening date that would have been around 1.5...so about 2 weeks or so).
Since GW doesn't have HUGE stores don't expect stores to last forever though. If you need something better to get it sooner rather than later.
Yeah I know - that was my point! I was speculating under normal circumstances how much stock they actually hold in the warehouse - because I'd expect they only carry enough to last until the next time they plan cast that particular kit. Just how they structure the regular production schedule will have a large bearing on how much stock they hold, and consequently how long it takes for things to run out in these strange times because they're not replenishing things that run out.
I'm no expert but I thought that it was cheaper to do big huge runs on machines and store the sprues than it is to do small runs and contently change the molds in the limited number of machines?
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Post by: xttz
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Bellerophon wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Until they can restart factories what GW has on warehouse is it. There won't be resupply to stuff even GW ran out. Now if UK eases up restrictions then GW can restart factories though that won't be instant(had GW reopened on preliminary reopening date that would have been around 1.5...so about 2 weeks or so).
Since GW doesn't have HUGE stores don't expect stores to last forever though. If you need something better to get it sooner rather than later.
Yeah I know - that was my point! I was speculating under normal circumstances how much stock they actually hold in the warehouse - because I'd expect they only carry enough to last until the next time they plan cast that particular kit. Just how they structure the regular production schedule will have a large bearing on how much stock they hold, and consequently how long it takes for things to run out in these strange times because they're not replenishing things that run out.
I'm no expert but I thought that it was cheaper to do big huge runs on machines and store the sprues than it is to do small runs and contently change the molds in the limited number of machines?
I work in a closely-related industry and that's broadly correct. There's a bit of a trade-off depending on the kit, for example Baneblades may have a large, heavy set of molds that take some time to switch over, but at the same time there might not be enough warehouse space to store a significant amount of those large sprues. However you would see higher production runs of small single-character sprues as they take very little space to store, so it may be worthwhile to run off say a year's worth at once.
With the exception of limited run items, GW doesn't completely sell out of new product releases all that often. When they do stocks are usually replenished quite quickly, which implies that packing is the bottleneck. That makes me think they do lean towards significant production runs and therefore hold a lot of safety stock.
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Post by: LiftForSwift
tneva82 wrote:BTW just got clarification from GW that forge world is not reopening yet for physical products.
Darn. That store is where next miniatures I want to buy is located at.
Dang. I just about to ask that. I wanted to pick up some stuff from there too ;_;
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Post by: tneva82
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm no expert but I thought that it was cheaper to do big huge runs on machines and store the sprues than it is to do small runs and contently change the molds in the limited number of machines?
Problem is warehouse isn't cheap either. Models sitting there and not moving is costing money to the GW. There's reason why stuff constantly go out of stock in GW. They don't have big stores of sprues precisely to keep down stock sitting on shelves wasting money.
Inventory that doesn't move costs money. Companies try to minimize that. Just In Time so to speak. So GW isn't some bottomless pool of models. They run out of stock even when factory is up and running. Now that factory is shut down and not doing single sprue or paint obviously out of stock is going to increase. Especially after about month of not being able to order. People likely are going to order stuff quite a bit. Plus stores will be restocking their shelves as well.
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 xttz wrote:With the exception of limited run items, GW doesn't completely sell out of new product releases all that often. When they do stocks are usually replenished quite quickly, which implies that packing is the bottleneck. That makes me think they do lean towards significant production runs and therefore hold a lot of safety stock.
Ossirchs ran out of kits early up. So did sisters of battle for that matter. And when AT got the reaver kit that was out of stock for a while as well.
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Post by: Kirasu
Yeah as expected, no US orders.
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Post by: Overread
New things can run out of stock because GW never knows what will sell well in advance- they can take estimations on sales data, but they can't predict. So they generally understock a bit, esp with retail kits that will cast up again anyway.
So things like Ossiarchs and Sisters going out of stock is perfectly normal and fine at launch because that's a one-time exceptional selling environment where you get people spending big money in one big go en-mass. After that GW can restock and then settle their production to the market demand amounts roughly.
UK store will be back online and GW are limiting some products as well (like paints). So that should help stop some hoarders. There's also an online shipping waiting list so if you don't get in you get put in a waiting system until you're allowed in. That's likely more so that their server doesn't get hammered into death and breaks within 5 mins of opening.
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Post by: Kanluwen
My biggest hope is that they respond to the Prophecy of the Wolf potential to be scalped with "3 per account/address" rather than "3 per order".
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Kudos to whoever did the illustration at the top of the page, with every character purchasing colours of paints corresponding to themselves/their own faction.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
The page announces "all the details"... but gives no actual time 
I understand they probably want to try and prevent loads of people logging on in advance but a time would have been nice.
Luckily I am fine for hobby supplies so will be avoiding the inevitable scrum.
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Post by: Ghaz
There's no time given to avoid a situation like this... ... you would have everyone sitting on their computers smashing the F5 key so they can get their orders in first, threatening to crash the system even with the new systems in place. And do you know what kind of a ruckus GW would hear if something kept them from opening right on time? So no, an exact time isn't a good idea for this.
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Post by: skrulnik
I wonder if they will address paints.
My local, which is closed except for shipped orders and curbside, has ran out of all GW paints.
Even before shutdowns, the Contrast paints were difficult to get.
I can't imagine it getting any easier when the paint supplier is making sanitizer
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Post by: Ghaz
You mean other than this?...
Due to expected high demand for certain things, we will be limiting sales of some items to 3 per order. This is to make sure that everyone can get hold of the essentials they need.
Citadel Colour Paints
Spray Paints
Citadel Super Glue
Citadel Plastic Glue
Prophecy of the Wolf
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Post by: BrianDavion
it's a bit annoying that Canada is impacted by that as well :(
I wanna get prophecy of the wolf but you can bet it'll be sold out by time north america is able to get it
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrianDavion wrote:
it's a bit annoying that Canada is impacted by that as well :(
I wanna get prophecy of the wolf but you can bet it'll be sold out by time north america is able to get it
It explicitly states that they're setting stock aside for the regions that aren't opening yet.
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Post by: Bellerophon
BrianDavion wrote:
I wanna get prophecy of the wolf but you can bet it'll be sold out by time north america is able to get it
They say in the article that they're putting some aside for the countries where the webstore isn't opening up yet. Of course they don't say how many...
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Post by: hotsauceman1
ITs really lame Us wont be opening when we are the ones most in need of hobby products.
I dont want to go kill my friends for their posts of Agrax Earthshade, but we might need too.
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Post by: Jadenim
Bellerophon wrote:BrianDavion wrote:
I wanna get prophecy of the wolf but you can bet it'll be sold out by time north america is able to get it
They say in the article that they're putting some aside for the countries where the webstore isn't opening up yet. Of course they don't say how many...
Wish I could find someone to go halves on that; I really want the new Ghazkull, but have no use for the Wolves (and nor does anyone I know).
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
 hotsauceman1 wrote:ITs really lame Us wont be opening when we are the ones most in need of hobby products.
I dont want to go kill my friends for their posts of Agrax Earthshade, but we might need too.
Why is America more in need than anyone else?
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Post by: tneva82
Store open now. Estimated wait time for me: over an hour. Lol. Well mostly checking stock. Won't order until vouchers arrive
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Post by: BrookM
For me it went from one hour to ten minutes, so hopefully I can get my Agrax before I need to head out for work.
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I’m just happy to get an email saying my copy of “Saga of the Beast” is finally being dispatched!
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Post by: BrookM
Took around thirty minutes of waiting, but once I got in everything was just fine and was done in under five minutes. Upon completing my order I was immediately put back into the queue, which is fair enough on their end, frees up the store for other people again.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Got my order in. Nothing too fancy, just some odds and ends.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sure would be cool if it was open in Oz. Been trying to get Wracks for a while now, and stockists don't sell 'em...
And why is there a queue to get into the website if you're not taking orders from my region. Uhh!!!
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Want me to order some for you?
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Post by: Mr Insomniac
Less than a minute queue and got my Made to Order Sister of Battle with the benefit of free shipping.
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Post by: queen_annes_revenge
If anyone uk based wants paints or models, I have a shop nearby that sells. Im happy to send out for cost/postage. I know it's a little late now the webstore is open, but if anyone has issues, the shop stocks most standard boxes and larger boxes sets.
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Post by: Snrub
Any word on when/if that pre-lockdown Lord of the Rings MTO will being kicking off?
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Post by: tneva82
No and until factory opens probably won't be any news on that front
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Post by: sarduka42
 Snrub wrote:Any word on when/if that pre-lockdown Lord of the Rings MTO will being kicking off?
Probably wont go ahead until all the regions are open to order again.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
No queue at present, which is pleasing. Kinda.
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Post by: Geifer
Mighty nice of GW to lower the free shipping threshold before the made to order for the event exclusive Sister runs out. That made the decision to get one easy.
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Post by: BrianDavion
hotsauceman1 wrote:ITs really lame Us wont be opening when we are the ones most in need of hobby products.
I dont want to go kill my friends for their posts of Agrax Earthshade, but we might need too.
games workshop isn't going to put their employees at risk so you can get a pot of agrax earth shade. the US is the current epicenter for corvid 19, and likely will be for some time to come.
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Post by: finnan
Hopefully a stupid question: the whole three paints thing. Is that only three pots of paint for the entire order, or three pots maximum of one colour?
(I need lots of paint - I'm basically starting again from scratch)
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Post by: warl0rdb0b
Its 3 of each item you add to basket for the paints, sprays included. Also, the shipping bites for sprays, they can't do free shipping if you add any due to the restrictions imposed by Royal Mail.
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Post by: finnan
cool, thanks : )
It's just paints that I need, I have some undercoat so I should be good!
Right, off to spend a fortune! lol
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Kanluwen wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:I understand that when the website reopens only 6 people will be able to log in at a time to reduce the chance of viruses.
Be better.
I really must use my powers for good and not evil.
. There May Be A Queue
We’re expecting fairly high demand tomorrow, so we’ve put in place a queue system to limit the number of folk that can browse the website at a given time. You might have seen similar things put in place for other online shops over the past few weeks.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Guess the busy period shortly after the webstore opened up is over now; could freely browse around with no sign of this queueing system.
Only when I returned to the main page after completing my order did another screen pop up for a fraction of a second, supposedly the one indicating the waiting time. Probably had some fun illustration on it, but it disappeared before I could see it.
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Post by: Skinnereal
I got in at 8 and 9 am today, with just a 30-second wait the first time.
I'd forgotten to check what I needed to order, and expected a queue to be long enough to find out.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:ITs really lame Us wont be opening when we are the ones most in need of hobby products.
I dont want to go kill my friends for their posts of Agrax Earthshade, but we might need too.
Why is America more in need than anyone else?
Entitlement, duh.
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Post by: BrookM
Let's stay on target folks and not drag this off topic.
For those who've missed it due to there not being a queue, there's a special video by James Workshop where he quickly details the rules for making purchases (Pretty much a rehash of what we already know, but with more ham) and declares his undying hatred for Anthony and the rest of Antarctica.
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Post by: tneva82
That video was funny enough to watch while waiting
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Post by: TBD
My local game store already got a lot of new GW stock in today.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Torn on this. There are several things that I would like, but nothing I really need for any current projects.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:ITs really lame Us wont be opening when we are the ones most in need of hobby products.
I dont want to go kill my friends for their posts of Agrax Earthshade, but we might need too.
Why is America more in need than anyone else?
As much as I’ve given HSM flak in the past over a couple posts, this is clearly a joke with the whole “killing friends over pots of paint”. Unless it’s Blood for the Blood God. Then murder is basically encouraged.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Lol yeah, especially because i have 2 pots of it and 3 bottle of Army painter strong tone
Im not sure how though, but my FLGS got a restock of it, somehow they are getting it.
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Post by: JWBS
The way you guys are talking about Agrax Earthshade, people would think it's https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Fsii1nw-k/ or something.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
IT is one of my most versitile paints i use, that and rucksack tan are staples of almost any model
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Post by: Crazyterran
remember Devlan Mud?
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Post by: alphaecho
I think I still have some dregs in a pot somewhere. I think it is one of the smaller pots that came with starter sets.
Most recently, I liked the effect of some Athonian Camoshade over a Xandri Dust spray that I used on some alternate scheme Plague Marines.
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Post by: DeadEyeDuk
 BrookM wrote:For those who've missed it due to there not being a queue, there's a special video by James Workshop where he quickly details the rules for making purchases (Pretty much a rehash of what we already know, but with more ham) and declares his undying hatred for Anthony and the rest of Antarctica.
I take it that video only shows up if you're in a queue. Do you know if it is anywhere else on the site/comminity/facebook? Can't see it anywhere and do love me some James Workshop Cheers
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think young James is a big Matt Berry fan. If he's not then, wow... You mean Devlan Miracle? Or "Liquid Talent" as it was sometimes called. Yes.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
IDK if anyone noticed, but the FW site is completely shut down, redirecting you to GWs webstore.
which whilst i understand, i am bummed, i do like looking at their vehicles for inspiration.
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Post by: GaroRobe
hotsauceman1 wrote:IDK if anyone noticed, but the FW site is completely shut down, redirecting you to GWs webstore.
which whilst i understand, i am bummed, i do like looking at their vehicles for inspiration.
This. I was complaining about this the other day. I don't want to buy stuff, I just want to look at the models.
It wasn't like this before GW reopened for online sales. They should have just kept the FW the same "no orders at the moment" way
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Post by: tneva82
Makes one wonder how hardwired the 2 stores are. Is it possible GW cannot have just one of the two "no orders at the moment" way? Hard to see how but then again haven't seen code myself
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Or they might actually take the chance with the upcoming FW books to put all their stuff into one store
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Post by: tneva82
That is unlikely. Especially as gw doesn't want to encourage sales of non plastic too much.
Delivery times indeed taking hit btw. Usually shipping notice was in hours if in stock. Now still waiting. They weren't kidding about delays. Well friday likely was lot busier than usually
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Post by: Azazelx
Looks like it's locals or perhaps generous UK friends for us. Though with Sydney's partial reopening this past weekend I suspect it might not be too long for GWAU's warehouse...
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Post by: LiftForSwift
I made an order on Friday, mainly some paints but I picked a Leman Russ too lol. Just for something big to do for these last few weeks of lockdown.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 Azazelx wrote:Looks like it's locals or perhaps generous UK friends for us. Though with Sydney's partial reopening this past weekend I suspect it might not be too long for GWAU's warehouse...
Depends what stock the Warehouse holds though.
It’s a long, long way to Australia for freight! Automatically Appended Next Post: tneva82 wrote:That is unlikely. Especially as gw doesn't want to encourage sales of non plastic too much.
Delivery times indeed taking hit btw. Usually shipping notice was in hours if in stock. Now still waiting. They weren't kidding about delays. Well friday likely was lot busier than usually
Backlog first I guess.
My Lt Amuliuses have shipped, so hopefully my Libby and Sisters will follow soon.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Just got a shipping confirmation for an order placed in mid-March that included a print on demand item (The Loathsome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin), so looks like that is up and running again.
Despite an email in late March notifying me of the problems caused by the pandemic and government measures, they still managed to be within the estimated time as it happens: dispatched 51 days after ordering, where they listed a shipping time of up to 56 days.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Not sure if this would be the place to post this, but anyone have any ideas when they will have a full reopening with the factory and everything else? I haven't been keeping up with developments in the UK regarding covid.
(I'm very keen to get the last warcry warband and a box of Lumeneth infantry.)
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Post by: tneva82
Nobody knows yet. Odds are good not even GW knows. UK I think is announcing what to do with restrictions on wednesday so once that is known GW might be able to tell.
Even once decision is made though it takes 2 weeks for furloughed workers to return though.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
we're just starting to think about what we'll need to do to relax the lockdown in the UK, so i'd guess we're at least 3 weeks away from any real change in the regulations,
that said GW reopening their warehouse to ship existing products shows they are working on modifying they way they work to allow them to do so while following the rules, so they are probably trying to do so for the factory as well
so we'll just have to wait and see (and at least some of it may be stuck in containers from China since GW prints most of its army books, boxes etc there) and I don't think they'll launch without the books and the plastics
we also have to consider the USA which is still locked down as I suspect they won't want to launch a major product at different times in different regions
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Post by: Overread
I don't know. If GW can hold stock in limbo for different territories they could start releasing things and leaving the USA behind and just let the USA catch up later.
I think a big part depends on how much storage space GW has and how much production they can achieve. Chances are once the lockdowns lift they might have significantly reduced production output for a considerable time until they can impose new methods of social distancing and safety for their employees.
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Post by: Kurgash
I just got an email and tracking number for my Prophecy of the Wolf box set ordered back in March. Looks like delivery is back up and running in the US?
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Post by: Azazelx
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Azazelx wrote:Looks like it's locals or perhaps generous UK friends for us. Though with Sydney's partial reopening this past weekend I suspect it might not be too long for GWAU's warehouse...
Depends what stock the Warehouse holds though.
It’s a long, long way to Australia for freight!
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tneva82 wrote:That is unlikely. Especially as gw doesn't want to encourage sales of non plastic too much.
Delivery times indeed taking hit btw. Usually shipping notice was in hours if in stock. Now still waiting. They weren't kidding about delays. Well friday likely was lot busier than usually
Backlog first I guess.
My Lt Amuliuses have shipped, so hopefully my Libby and Sisters will follow soon.
I'm pretty sure that GW is planned ahead for awhile, so the SpaceWolfOrk boxes would be there for sure, and probably a couple of weeks at worst (and over a month or so at best) as the supply chain didn't stop operating 4 weeks before shutdown, and I know (at least in the past) that GW uses sea freight to send product to Au rather than much more expensive air freight, so we're considering commercial ships already on the water and all that... all of which would also apply to other distribution hubs like the US. - which is why the wolfyboxes allocated to the US won't be selling out in the UK - because they're already in the US warehouse! Much like Captain Catachan...
Of course with partial lockdown in place, who knows when actual new releases will start again, but they'd have a few new releases ready to go in the warehouses more than restocks of paints once they use their existing stocks.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Overread wrote:I don't know. If GW can hold stock in limbo for different territories they could start releasing things and leaving the USA behind and just let the USA catch up later.
I think a big part depends on how much storage space GW has and how much production they can achieve. Chances are once the lockdowns lift they might have significantly reduced production output for a considerable time until they can impose new methods of social distancing and safety for their employees.
Keeping things in stock for a long time can also be very expensive. You know that they're itching to move product for tax reasons.
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Post by: zend
 Kurgash wrote:I just got an email and tracking number for my Prophecy of the Wolf box set ordered back in March. Looks like delivery is back up and running in the US?
They did say they would be working through all standing orders prior to opening back up, so sounds like it.
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Post by: BrianDavion
thats good news at least. cross fingers the US and Canada'll be able to order our plastic crack in a week or so
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Post by: BrookM
Kindly stay on topic and take all general COVID-19 discussion to the relevant thread in OT.
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Post by: Kurgash
Now I got a tracking number for all my delayed orders. Looks like we’re back in business soon.
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Post by: BrookM
Looks like the UK / NE backlog has been as good as dealt with and they're back onto processing regular orders, just now got a confirmation that the order I placed last Friday has just been sent out, awesome.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
That’s my first re-opening order dispatched.
Libby & Sister not so much, but as I went for 10 of each, suspect they’re awaiting stock. Hard to begrudge, as getting them out to those who ordered just the one is a better use of resources than getting me 20.
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Post by: BrianDavion
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s my first re-opening order dispatched.
Libby & Sister not so much, but as I went for 10 of each, suspect they’re awaiting stock. Hard to begrudge, as getting them out to those who ordered just the one is a better use of resources than getting me 20.
they where also print on demand so you won't see it until the factory is online
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Friend has his Libby already
Still, no rush. Bought them as stock for the Loot Group. Figured with what’s going on, not everyone was going to be able to drop money there and then.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Was literally in the middle of writing a post asking if anyone had updates on the Vile Ratmen POD when the postie dropped it on my doormat
It's softback as expected, but based on a cursory examination it appears to actually be made out of proper stitched folios. Excellent! GW should just outsource all their printing to this POD company, at least they know how to bind a book without using the cheap & nasty perfect binding method.
(For those who don't know, stitched folios are groups of a given number of double-page papers folded over, then all the groups are sewn together in the middle of the spine, while "perfect binding" just takes individual single pages in a block and saturates one edge of them in glue - the former is much more durable, and allows you to rebind a book as a hardback relatively easily if you choose to. All GW's stuff used to come with stitched bindings but they began cheaping out around the end of WHFB 6th edition.)
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Post by: Overread
The Ratmen book is also printed in the UK as opposed to china!
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Post by: Yodhrin
Overread wrote:The Ratmen book is also printed in the UK as opposed to china!
Honestly I've never been fussed about that. Globalism happened, and it looks like even a year+ long pandemic emergency may not be able to shift it. Plenty of Chinese producers are capable of making quality, well bound products, GW just weren't employing them before. "Made in the UK" in this context will only have meaning to me when GW finally pull the finger out and bring their publishing in-house like they did with plastics production, so they can actually keep their cardstock and fiction products in-stock when they don't have to deal with minimum order quantities any more.
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Post by: Overread
I find it interesting because a lot of printing happens overseas because its not economical in the UK for large print orders. I wonder if it was a reaction to Corona and GW wanting to keep the order shipping within time limits or if they've found themselves a new local printer. Card-stock has been an issue for them; they clearly WANT to do it but have had issues keeping it restocked beyond a single initial order.
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Post by: Custodes
Anyone know how long an order us taking to process at the moment? I just put a big order in yesterday and have heard nothing since...
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Post by: MaleficentRuler
 Custodes wrote:Anyone know how long an order us taking to process at the moment? I just put a big order in yesterday and have heard nothing since...
Response i had from customer service was up to 15 days for instock items.
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Post by: Custodes
Thanks MaleficentRuler just do I know. Need my plastic crack to de-stress being a keyword in a dementia unit it's become extremely stressful of late, so I've pledged myself to the blood god for AOS.
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Post by: Ghaz
From the article:
* Fun Fact: Since the webstore opened for most of Europe last week, paints and brushes have been the big movers and shakers. Here are the top ten selling Citadel paints right now (no prizes for guessing the top two):
1) Shade: Nuln Oil
2) Shade: Agrax Earthshade
3) Base: Leadbelcher
4) Base: Abaddon Black
5) Base: Retributor Armour
6) Base: Corax White
7) Base: Mephiston Red
8) Layer: White Scar
9) Contrast: Black Templar
10) Base: Wraithbone
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Am i the only one who seems to prefer Iron Hands Steel over Leadbelcher?
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Post by: hotsauceman1
No, I prefer Gunmetal from AP.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Overread wrote:I find it interesting because a lot of printing happens overseas because its not economical in the UK for large print orders. I wonder if it was a reaction to Corona and GW wanting to keep the order shipping within time limits or if they've found themselves a new local printer. Card-stock has been an issue for them; they clearly WANT to do it but have had issues keeping it restocked beyond a single initial order.
I suspect it's just an artifact of this being a POD product, there may not be the same cost disparity between the UK and elsewhere as there is with regular print runs.
Honestly even if they went fully local, it wouldn't solve their core problem, which is their persistently hyper-cautious approach to initial print run sizes and their subsequent nigh-absolute refusal to do additional runs of product for fear there might be some leftover from even a minimum-size print run. The only way that will be fixed is if they bring printing in-house as they did with manufacturing so they can print additional material in whatever more modest quantities they feel would suit and do POD/MtO runs without having to deal with contracts.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I want my Vile Ratmen book! I'm excited for that.
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Post by: Custodes
Well when I put my order in I went for Iron Warriors rather than the leadbelcher I usually go for just to be different. Just waiting on that order to dispstch now lol
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Post by: Thyrllann
I had to laugh at their artist mixing up the colours of the stars on the Australian and New Zealand flags
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Post by: ingtaer
Well the article says - USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Italy are reopening for web orders on the 7th, but they are not actually selling anything on the NZ site.
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Post by: Crazyterran
 ingtaer wrote:Well the article says - USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Italy are reopening for web orders on the 7th, but they are not actually selling anything on the NZ site.
Are you complaining when it's not even the normal time they'd put things up in NZ? You will have to wait until whatever time they usually put preorders up in NZ, which if I remember right, wasn't midnight.
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